Posted by rskontos on February 28, 2009, at 13:44:02
In reply to Hey, posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 22:34:19
First I am shocked to see the blocks of Twinleaf and Zazenducke especially the length. I am alarmed to say that I am confused about how it got to this point. I could say my opinions about why I think all this happened in this thread but I know I would a block or at the very least a PBC. So I will address my sad concerns over the usage of Administration board in the first place.
My statements are directed at Dr. Bob. Twinleaf started this thread called "New beginnings" with I think the intent to start a discussion. How then if we can't have a discussion on Administration regarding rules and how they are enforced and how they benefit or distress posters can this board be much of anything but banal threads on new name, etc. I thought Twinleaf started a worthwhile discussion and yet it seems to me that Dr. Bob doesn't really want a discussion. I don't think anyone would have found Twinleaf's post upsetting except maybe someone that might know or think they were the targeted one in her statement. In lieu of a block why couldn't you, Dr. Bob, discussed the real issue of civility and its' effect on people and the boards. It seems to me, you are avoiding the real discussion. Of course this is my opinion, and one I might regret voicing. I do not mean any disrespect to anyone. I feel that the deputies do the best job they can, when you take into consideration the ways you, Dr. Bob, tie their hands so to speak.
And why can we not openly address a issue that seems to spark so much real feelings. I always thought a healthy, I felt XXX when you said this can go a long ways toward those posters that want to have open dialogue. I see a real disintegration of real open dialogue especially here at Admin. Because it always seems to result in someone(s) getting blocked. Which always ends the discussion.
I thought administration was the board to have a healthy discussion on a real issue yet, Dr. Bob, you let the rules of the site guide you instead of just trying to discuss the issues. Do we need another site to discuss how to improve Babble. I know that you feel twinleaf and zaze spoke out of turn and violated rules you put in place, but how about speaking to each of them about how they feel. You addressed others directly why not them too.
There is a tricky tightwalk trick to try and start a discussion about rules that might or might now be viable yet Twinleaf tried to do this. I do think the reasons it escalated to point where you felt you had to block these posters was due to in part they asked a question of you and others answered. And those that answered could not really speak for you, so I feel it got in the way of the initial thread and it valid points. I also know why those that answered did so because they care about Babble. In fact, they seem to care more than you do.
So this is why I am shocked, alarmed and sad. Babble it seems is a hard place to discuss all that might be on our minds. It seems that no where on this site we might have good discussions that might actually yield new methods of how things should be done because too often it disintegrates into someone getting blocked to the detriment of the actual discussion--as it did in this case.
I am sorry Twinleaf, you got blocked and you too Zazenducke. It seems unfair in light of the actual discussion. And proves to me that Babble is not really someplace I can voice how I really feel. And while it might seem like here and now I am saying how I feel I am holding back trying to be as civil as possible yet say what I want to say. And sometimes, just sometimes, I think we need that "holding back of what I really want to say" suspended while we sort out regulations and whatnot.
I am sorry because Babble has helped me alot but in the recent past I find I feel it is better to not post even though I know I will receive good advice and help. It is not the posters or deputies I feel sad about it is the policies of Dr. Bob and his seemly unapproachability.
It seems Dr. Bob changes the rules about deputies and civility (the recent change of us policing ourselves) only to come back at his digression and enforce it when it stymies a potentially good discussion. So sad.
rsk
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