Posted by Lou Pilder on January 8, 2008, at 12:24:40
In reply to correction to citation URL-ovrgn, posted by Lou Pilder on January 8, 2008, at 9:59:16
> > > > But can we take a closer look at who may be upset if we generalize about a blood pressure monitor?
> > > >
> > > > Seldom.
> > >
> > > When it's overgeneralizations about things, my concern isn't that people might be upset, but that people might make decisions based on what's posted.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > > She is entitled to her experienced opinion.
> > > >
> > > > If I say Zyprexa increased my appetite, and therefore, I think it's sucky med...I'm generalizing my experience to all patients....but, that's OK?
> > > >
> > > > AbbieNormal
> > >
> > > Something like:
> > >
> > > > my experienced opinion is that the automatic ones more often than not are not acurate
> > >
> > > or:
> > >
> > > > I think the automatic ones are sucky
> > >
> > > I think would be fine.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > > If I say that such and such a drug is often helpful, that's a generalisation, right?
> > > >
> > > > What's an overgeneralisation?
> > > >
> > > > Sigismund
> > >
> > > I think something like:
> > >
> > > > such and such a drug is always helpful
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > You wrote as a reply to Sigismund's question as to what is an overgeneralization,[...I think something like: >such and such a drug is {always} helpful...]
> > The definition of{>over<generalization} is given by some English grammer authorities as:
> > [...sweeping generalizations that {oversimplify reality}...]. (citation 1B)
> > Your example used the word {always}which is consistant with English language authorities. Here are some other exmples given by an English langusge authority as being an overgeneralization as that are so general that they {oversimplify reality}
> > A. [... In times of crisis, every American supports his President...]
> > B. [...All birds can fly...]
> > The above examples can be paralled with Phillpa's statement in question to be examined as to if her statement is an overgeneralization according to the English language authority here in my citation (1B).
> > I am unsure as to if there is an authority that states that statements like the one in question by Phillipa,[...more often than not...]is considered to be an overgeneralizaion by a recognized authority. If you know of one, could you post a citation for such here?
> > The past practice here has many posts that use the phrase in question and I can find no instance here where the phrase {more often than not}, before Phillipa wrote it in her discussion with another poster about here experiance that she found as a nurse, is sanctioned. If there is one, could you post it here?
> > I ask:
> > C. How could a reasonable person know that they would be breaking a rule of yours here by writing {more often than not}, which is different from words like {always}, when there are many uses of the same phrase that were not sanctioned here and that a definition that English language authorities use, that an {overgeneralization} is a statement that is so general that they oversimplify reality that could have words in the statement like {all}, {every}, {always} and such?
> > If you could clarify this , then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > Lou Pilder
> > citation 1B
> > http://ksuweb.kennesaw.edu/~shagin/logfal-analysis-analysis-overgen.htm
> >
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> Here is the correction to URL for the citation 1B
> Lou Pilder
> http://ksuweb.kennesaw.edu/~shagin/logfal-analysis-overgen.htmMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...when its {overgeneralization} about things (blood pressure monitors), my concern isn't about that people might be upset, but that people might make decisions, based on what's posted...].
That was your response to a member posting,[...but can we take a closer look at who could be upset if we generalize about a blood pressure monitor?...]
The member asking here is asking about {generalizing}. Is not {generalizing} different from {(over)generalizing}?
Is not the following in the post in question by Phillipa as a {point of view} or an {opinion}? (citation 2B).
An opinion, or point of view, is characterized by English language experts as a {judgment} by someone or an {appraisal} formed in their mind that is less-strong than something based on a statistical study that gives statistical knowlege. This can be found using the Webster dictionary definition of {opinion}. Is not that Phillipa is stating an {opinion} or {point of view} other than a statistical study? Is she not writing about what she {observed} as using the two monitors in her experiances as being a nurse? She writes in her first paragraph in the post in question,{when (I was) nursing}. Here Phillpa identifies that she is going to write about her experiance as a nurse so that the reader could know that what she is writing is comming from that { point of view}
Then Phillipa writes,[...I floated from every floor in..a hospital..{What I have seen}is...]
Here Phillipa describes the setting as being in a hospital and what she {has seen}.
Then Phillipa goes on to do a {description}, for she uses the grammatical structure,[.. Things {I} don't especially like..]. Is this not the {first person} grammatical structure?
The she writes, [..It's {amazing} how...]. Could not this be a first person obsevation, a view?. The she writes,[...you actually hear the blood pressure. Did not Toph post a citation concerning accuracy here? Could not Phillipa's post have at least some factual foundation?
Are not different points of view encouraged here? Here is the link to my citation 2B concerning a dictionary definition of {point of view} which states that a POV is something that is something {observed}, which in my opinion Phillipa was writing as to what she observed which IMO is different from overgeneralizing because overgeneralizing is characterized by English language experts as {a sweeping generalization that oversimplifies reality}. If you are wanting to mean that the phrase, {more often than not}, oversimplifies reality in the context used by Phillpa, and not in the contexts used in the links that I cited in another thread from the past practice here, could you post that here what that could be?
If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly
Lou Pilder
citation 2B
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/point+of+view
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