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Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by Mtom on August 12, 2021, at 17:39:03

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Mtom, posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2021, at 11:56:11

> I agree with everything you have written. Canada was smarter though they kept their border to the US closed till just recently. In the Carolinas last night when the numbers released we are at the same hospitalizations and case numbers as last January. It's spreading very rapidly. The pediatric beds are full in the hospitals. All elective surgeries are cancelled in the biggest hospitals, and I saw one person write his bypass surgery was now cancelled unless a dire emergency. Yet the vaccination rates remain low. Now those unvaccinated are saying "See you got the vaccine & still got Covid". We mask when out and spend our time outside here although extremely hot now. I think that treatments when get Covid might help? Phillipa

Phillipa: It will unfortunately be difficult to convince those who have dug their heels in against vaccines. However data is there if they want to look for it that vaccines are protective. For example the province of Ontario Canada is now reporting data daily on vaccine status of cases.
For new cases reported today, 82.5% were Unvaccinated. Fully vaccinated accounted for 17.5% and partially vaccinated the balance.
The vaccine hesitant are, strangely, focussing on the 17.5% of vaccinated people who tested positive for Covid (??). Not the 82.5% who were Unvaccinated.
Even more importantly, of those currently reported in ICU in the province, 86.3% are Unvaccinated. 9.8% partially vaccinated. Just under 4% of all in ICU for Covid are fully vaccinated.

Covid (mostly Delta here) in the Unvaccinated is accounting for the vast majority of cases here right now. Delta, significantly more virulent, can be seen by the numbers to be spreading much faster in the unvaccinated. Breakthrough cases had to have contact with an infected person and the data shows that most infections right now are unvaccinated people. As contacts increase with most of our restrictions lifted, breakthrough cases will increase.

Our vaccination rates are high. In all of Canada, 82.3% of the eligible population (12+) have received at least 1 dose (2 shot vaccines are being given here). 71.5% of age 12+ are fully vaccinated. Those awaiting their 2nd shot are younger age groups who were eligible later plus those who delayed getting their 1st dose so in the very near future we can expect our fully vaccinated rate will be at least 82%.

When I mentioned our cases in Ontario rising to a level not seen in 2 months, Im talking about 513 cases today in a population of 14.8 million (including those under 12 not yet eligible for vaccination).
Our case numbers as a percent of population are still relatively low in comparison to a great many other developed countries, and one would tend to draw the conclusion, based on the vaccination case count data above, that our high vaccination rates have contributed to slowing the rate of increase.
That being said, Israel, with a relatively high proportion of their population vaccinated, is well into a new wave due to Delta. Still, it was recently reported that the rate of serious infections in Israel is 6 times higher among the 60+ age group who have not been vaccinated vs vaccinated in the same age group. Israel has also started 3rd dose booster shots in those over 60 who received their full vaccinations more than 5 months ago. Some other countries are considering similar. So who knows where well be in the fall. And there is much controversy over richer countries purchasing vaccines for boosters before many in less developed countries have been vaccinated at all.

Delta is nasty. It is spreading at a faster rate than previous Covid versions. The vaccines help reduce cases and most importantly deaths.

One might think that we are getting off topic, except that COVID has been having a Major impact on mental health.




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