Posted by SLS on March 23, 2018, at 12:19:05
In reply to Re: insomnia on Nortrip! Help me block the NE SLS » SLS, posted by bleauberry on March 23, 2018, at 6:02:09
Hi, Bleauberry.
> SLS I say this with utmost respect. No ill feelings are intended. But the fact is, when it comes to medicinal herbal science, you have minimal knowledge or experience. There is no credibily for any of the 'challenges' you aimed at me.
I dont know why you should assume that I have no knowledge or belief in the utility of herbs and the phenomenology of tick-borne disease.
My questions demonstrate my lack of credibility? Youre not answering questions might demonstrate your lack of credibility. The few challenging questions I asked you deserve answers. I dont have to know anything to ask them. They are rather common sense questions. You write copiously and flood pages with words. My questions really dont require much space to answer.
> You are trying to compare the herbal medicinal approach to psychiatry as if it was a medicinal approach which is sort of like comparing a football game to a basketball game.I dont know how many times I have to make the point to you that herbs are chemicals. This is science. It is fact. It is extremely scientific and also disposed to common sense to acknowledge this.
> The strategies are different if you want to score points. It requires a book to explain that. I don't have enough space here to do that.
Yes, Bleauberry. I dont have enough space or time to explain fully the absurdity of the statements you made in the post I responded to previously. I asked only questions that do not require much space to answer. I would like to see you answer them. Lets try this. I believe that plants contain molecules that have pharmacological propertites. They are and used as drugs. Atropine is no less a drug just because it is contained in the Atropa belladonna plant. Correct? THC is no less a drug just because it is contained in cannabis plants. Your distinction is merely semantic and arbitrary. There has been much work performed in Israel on marijuana to identify those substances that have medicinal properties. Part of their research involves how these molecules may act in concert to produce the observed clinical effects. Hopefully, this research will be able produce preparations for human consumption that enhances the therapeutic effects while reducing unwanted side effects.
> I cannot effectively answer your questions without a lot of time and writing.
Yes. You already mentioned this. You dont need to write a book to address my questions.
> Western medicine and Eastern medicine are very different. In America science is primarily concerned with how things work. The Chinese don't care about that. They care about WHAT works.Not so different, really. Thats how drugs are discovered in western medicine. There is a science to determine what works before determining how things work. Thousands of compounds are screened for clinical activity without regard to their pharmacology. If you notice, most psychiatric drugs are accompanied by a label that states that the mechanism of action is not understood. Fortunately, science is uncovering much of what these molecules do physiologically in an effort to elucidate how they work so that more efficient drugs can be designed.
> They view medical issues in terms of bizarre analogy's of liver, kidney, spleen, lungs, ying and yang, hot and cold, dampness, dryness. Pharmacies have countless drawers filled with medicinal leaves, stems, twigs, roots and flowers. They also have medicines.I know this to be true. So, what is your point? During the thousands of years that the Chinese have practiced medicine, microscopes and purified organic compounds were not available to progress beyond using the only things available botanicals. It is only recently that the practice of medicine in Europe and North America has included synthesized molecules many of which came from botanicals. I believe that Traditional Eastern Medicine progressed far beyond that of the Western world through the centuries. However:
> The best healing on earth - in my opinion - is when Eastern medicine and Western medicine are married together into a hybrid. That's how I got better - some antibiotics and some roots, leaves and twigs.
I agree with you. The whole Universe represents a resource of knowledge and understanding and healing. East, West, Up, Down. Wherever. I believe in the use of botanicals especially when they have been proven to be safe and effective. Unfortunately, this is often not the case.
> I almost got the sense you were being hostile and bullying towards me. Not sure.
I am emoted because so much of what you write is misinformation. To suggest that:
> In my opinion, all psychiatric patients should do a 3 month trial of Cordyceps mushroom - the dose is 6000mg and up.
> But I would like to add to that - single or duo herbs are usually much less effective than 3-5 herbs.
>That's because unlike medications, these plants have multifaceted mechanisms and actions.
> I just think it makes sense to try a handful of herbal medicines before committing to a chemical medication.
Perhaps you would like to:
1. Revise your phraseology.
2. Provide evidence that your statements are true.
3. Do nothing.> I can help you with specific herb-herb questions if you have any curiosity on this one or that one or whatever.
I appreciate your offer. I will take you up on that from time to time.
Lyme Disease? Yes. Lyme Disease can cause psychiatric symptoms, including suicide. I dont understand why anyone would question why this spirochete could not have these effects, especially since it was a spirochete (syphilis) that drove Al Capone mad.
> But if you want a good grasp of how the two different approaches to treating disease work, it will take some effort on your part.Right back atcha!
As Ive said before, I appreciate your enthusiasm.
- Scott
Some see things as they are and ask why.
I dream of things that never were and ask why not.- George Bernard Shaw
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