Posted by Lou Pilder on May 10, 2015, at 9:14:14
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » Lou Pilder, posted by Tomatheus on May 10, 2015, at 0:10:13
> Lou,
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> Perhaps I was wrong in my view of not seeing you show the same level of respect to the members here on Psycho-Babble that most of the members show one another. I do tend to think that you have good intentions and that you sincerely want to make sure that we know about the potential consequences of taking psychiatric medications. On the other side of the coin, I don't see posting about our experiences with psychiatric medications, or hosting a discussion forum where individuals share their experiences with medications and other treatments, as necessarily promoting the medications. I also tended to see your statements about the use of psychiatric medications in pediatric patients as placing unnecessary guilt on those whom you say "promote" psychiatric drugs. Nobody on this thread said anything about children taking psychiatric medications until you did. I think that you most likely want to go out of your way to warn any parents that might read the posts here about the consequences of allowing their children to be prescribed psychiatric medications, but I question the necessity of such a warning, given that 1) the discussions in this thread involve adults sharing their experiences with various medications, 2) medications used by adults are not necessarily approved or recommended for pediatric use, and 3) prescribing decisions are made by medical professionals, who should be aware of the risks of medications and share these risks with the patients and/or their family members.
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> You probably view the warnings that you give here about psychiatric medications as being measures to prevent harm associated with medication use, but I at least sometimes see the approach that you use (not to mention the way you insert your name into the subject line of all your posts) as being disruptive to the civil discourse that takes place on this forum. I think that many of the individuals who use this forum would like to see Psycho-Babble as a place where they can discuss the treatment of their mental health conditions without feeling judged, but I think that with all of your warnings about death potentially resulting from the medications we take and with you shifting the attention to the consequences of medications in pediatric patients when the discussions involve adult patients taking the medications, Psycho-Babble can't be the kind of discussion forum that many of us here would like for it to be.
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> TomatheusT,
You wrote,[...perhaps I was wrong...].
When people post judgments about me here, perhaps they are, indeed, wrong. And, perhaps, you may also be wrong about other things about me. And, perhaps, you may also be wrong about other things. And, perhaps, Scott may be wrong. And, perhaps, Mr. Hsiung may be wrong. And, perhaps, the psychiatrist/doctor prescribing the basket of drugs to Scott may be wrong. And, perhaps, Lou may be right.
You wrote,[...I see the approach that you use as being disruptive to the civil discourse here...without feeling *judged*...PB can't be (because of you, Lou)...].
What you have posted could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me. It could put me in a false light depicting me as disrupting this forum because of what my point of view is and judging others and my being depicted as a scapegoat for your real or imagined worries that this form *can't be* because I post what I post.. That could stigmatize me because Mr. Hsiung states that if he does not sanction you, what you wrote about me is not against his rules. And worse, he has stated that if he leaves what could be against his rules to be seen as supportive, that it will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking for the unsupportive statement and stigmatizing statements to be seen as supportive, for support takes precedence as he states. That could lead to the deaths of others IMHHHO, that disregard what I warn about here on account of what you have posted here about my character that could be seen as being validated by Mr. Hsiung since he allows what you posted about me to stand.
I am trying to prevent deaths and life-ruining conditions and addictions here by posting facts. Facts that could mark the difference between one being a live person or a corpse. What I post here could give readers information so that they could make a more-informed decision as to take these drugs or not or to drug their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor.
The drugs that Scott takes could kill him. They could also kill anyone else taking those drugs together. I do not see encouraging Scott to continue to take drugs that could cause him to commit suicide to be supportive. On the contrary, I think that it is supportive to warn others of the caliber of disaster indicated by the taking of all those drugs in combination. I do not se my approach as disrupting this forum, but see my approach to save lives by posting facts for support. There is no denying that many of these drugs are chemicals that have their origin in killing not only insects and rats, but also used in the commission of mass-murder. Many are {nerve agents}. They attack, or seize or grab the nerves. And the thousands of people that are killed by the drugs or kill themselves by having suicidal urges induced into them from the drugs, could, perhaps, be alive today if they did not take the drugs. I think that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and also members that know that these drugs have destroyed their lives, have a duty to post here their warnings so that more readers here do not kill themselves or die from the drugs or get a hideous life-ruining condition or addiction from these drugs.
Be advised, that failure to warn of what could cause or contribute to a person's suicide, could in some jurisdictions be held that constitutes being an accessory to suicide. Those jurisdictions will hold that the one's blood that committed suicide be upon those that failed to warn. This could sound far-fetched to you and other readers, but this site goes all over the world to jurisdictions that see people advocating or encouraging people to take combinations of drugs that could kill the person or cause the person to commit suicide, could hold those doing such as contributing to causing the death of the person when they could have prevented it. And the blood of the dead will be upon those that contributed to the death in those jurisdictions.
Lou
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