Posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2013, at 17:22:57
In reply to Lou's reply-nomowo-antisuicide pill?, posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2013, at 13:08:15
> > > > > Looks like Lou was right...
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> > > > schleprock,
> > > > You wrote,
> > > > [...Looks like Lou was right..].
> > > > Friends, if you look at the liturature in regards to psychiaric drugs, a lot of them have in their PI that the drug could worsen depression.
> > >
> > > Yes, when an antidepressant is not a good match for the idiosyncrasies of one's neurobiology, a worsening of depression is a possible outcome. We see this here quite often amongst a population of treatment-resistant people who have been exposed to numerous drugs. I think this association is an artifact of the greater number of drugs tried per individual. Along with this is the supposition that the biological diatheses of treatment resistant cases leaves one more likely to display unusual neurobiological states in reaction to specific drugs. However, this cannot be generalized. Two people can react in opposite ways to the same drug.
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> > > One thing that is too-often overlooked is that there are cases in which a severely depressed individual longs for death, but who doesn't have the energy nor cognitive resources to plan and attempt a suicide. It is this severe depression that actually prevents the individual from forming a plan and having the energy to executing that plan. It happens quite often that as someone is just beginning to respond to treatment, they gain the ability to form plans and have the energy to succeed. At this point, the individual may not be well enough to feel any less frustrated, demoralized, sad, angry, helpless, or hopeless. In his mind, nothing has changed in his life in the 14 days it takes to begin responding to drug treatment. The first 3 - 4 weeks period is therefore a dangerous time for people who are just beginning to feel more intellectually and physically energetic. It is incumbent upon the doctor to explain this before initiating treatment, and to schedule weekly visits to evaluate the extent to which the patient is experiencing sucidal thoughts. A doctor might treat a patient with a drug to reduce the anger and anxiety that is driving such thoughts by using a short course of benzodiazepine treatment. Psychotherapy can be very important during this time. Once through this dangerous period, an antidepressant drug can rescue someone from their disabling and painful existence and transform their life into one of joy and fulfillment.
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> > > Lou Pilder: When you were treated with psychotropic medications, in what ways did you become suicidal?
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> > > - Scott
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> > Friends,
> > The post by Scott here could be extreamly important to you. I intend to post my response here to the issues that Scott brings up which I hink that all members interested be discussants here.
> > Be advised, that I have a different perspective to what Scott posts here, but because he posts what he has here, I think that it would be important for interested members to be party to this thread.
> > There are many issues here that if one does not have the knowledge concerning them, death could be a result. This is why it is important for members to be participants in this thread.
> > I am going to allow an interlude so that members can call their friends to also come here to be discussants in this thread and for othes to post from their perspective concerning the issues in Scott's post.
> > I intend to be back to post what I think could save your life, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and provide a way for those that want a way out to become a whole new person and sing a new song.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
>
> Friends,
> It is written here concerning that one could take a benzodiazepine in collaboration with a treating psychiatrist/doctor. In reading Scott's post, I am unsure as to what is happening in the scenerio that he cites here.
> But would taking a benzodiazepine be an {anti suicide pill}? Scott writes that a benzodiazepine would reduce thoughts of anger and anxiety that is driving suicidal thoughts. And Scott uses the phrase,{a short course}.
> Now what is a short course? A benzodiazepine could cause an addiction in a short course. But it is much more than this. You see, a benzodiazepine could cause suicidal thinking.
> Now you see why I think that what Scott posted here is extreamly important for you to know the knowledge available concerning what Scott posted. The facts that I am prevented from posting here could mark the difference between you being a live person or a corpse.
> Here is a link concerning suicidal ideation in relation to a benzodiazepine. It is not a {anti suicide pill}, for I know of none.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/suicidal+ideationFriends,
Now let's look into more of what Scott has posted here in relation to his grammatical structure. Scott writes here about when an antidepressant is not a good match and worsening of the depression could be a result.
Now let's use some critical thinking concerning what Scott has posted. I ask, is there a way for the psychiatrist/doctor, that one is in collaboration with, to determine what a good match could be? If so, then for all the people that get worse, is the prescriber liable for their injuries or death if he/she gave a drug that was a bad match? Or is it that it can not be determined what kind of match the drug will be or that there is not any good match? Could the placebo effect have a part in what is a good or bad match?
You see, if there is no way to know before the drug is given, is the prescriber just shooting in the dark or hoping for a placebo effect?
And as one takes the drug for weeks, he/she can become addicted to the drug and then in withdrawal could kill themselves and/or others.
So what is in store for those that take these drugs? If there is some type of joy from taking these drugs, how long will that last and what about the 42,000 people that died last year from these drugs and the years before and the years going forward, their joy did not last, so what good would it do for one to have a fleeting time of joy and die from the drugs?
Now I am prevented here from posting what could give you a way out of your depression and addiction and have joy that will never end, and peace that goes beyond understanding, and that you will never die, free from being scared about death, free from being scared about addiction/withdrawal, free from being scared about tardive dyskinesia, free from being scared about your humanity taken away by the drugs, and free from being a victim of the misery that one could have from the drugs as can be seen over and over of the lives of those taking these drugs posting here. Do those people have joy?
Lou
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