Posted by Lou Pilder on July 27, 2012, at 5:43:07
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-benzotram » Lou Pilder, posted by brynb on July 25, 2012, at 21:17:14
> > Friends,
> > It is posted here about the use of a benzo with Tramadol. Be advised that these two drugs have chemical constituants that are central nervous system depressants. And when taken together, the effect is potentiated which can cause respiratory depression and death. The mix of drugs in many famous people that were killed by the drugs that they took had drugs that were CNS /respiratory depressants.
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> **LOU-Again, at high doses, Tramadol & benzos (or any other opiate w/ a benzo) are dangerous because of respiratory depression. Hopefully people are aware of this, and more importantly, hopefully their doctors warn them of the dangers. However, please note the poster is only taking 75mg of Tramadol (a WEAK analgesic) and trying to lower the dose. That's a low dose. My suggestion was to use a benzo as a PRN (as needed, not routinely) at a low dose (ie .5mg Xanax). The famous people you refer to (and others) who died from respiratory depression were taking high amounts of benzos and/or opiates, and/or sleeping pills and/or alcohol. So, death was the outcome of mixing copious amounts of substances. That is hardly what I am suggesting.
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> > But there is much more to this here. You see, there are numerous prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung that IMHO if the prohibitions were not made to me, lives could be saved, life-ruining conditionss could be prevented and addiction could be prevented. And more so, I could post what IMHHO could lead people out of the darkness of depression and addiction freely without price.
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> **Why would Dr. Bob (or anyone) not allow you to share your unique and seemingly ground-breaking revelations to so many people whose lives you could save?
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> > Are you there but with brain damage, diabetes, dyskinesia, kidney disease, thyroid dysfunction,sexual dysfunction or any of the other life-ruining conditions that these drugs can cause? Now what?
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> **Fortunately, I have yet to experience these conditions. I visit my doctor regularly and keep my health in check. I hope I remain this fortunate.
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> > But what if you could have a new mind, a new heart, a new spirit? Not like the one that you had when the doctor first gave you the drug, and healing of the damages that the drugs did to you?
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> **Please Lou, if indeed you hold the key to a new way of being, share your wisdom.
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> > Now you can take more drugs but if the drug has done this to you that you want a way out from it, what assurance is there that taking another drug will not make you worse off that the first?
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> **Personally, drugs did not make me depressed. I started taking meds to remedy the depression. As for the poster, it seems she/he was doing well on Tramadol, but now experiencing problems coming off of it. No one is saying for him/her to stay on another drug or replace it with another, just offering advice for relief while withdrawing from one. It is up to us as consumers to know the facts about meds and be educated.
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> > You see, I know what causes depression and I know a way out. I know a way out of the darkness of death and into a marvelous light of life and peace and joy. There will be no more tears, no more pain, no more death. For death will be cast into a lake of fire and with it depression and addiction. I have seen the winepress that you could be in. I have seen who treads upon it. And I have seen the wrath of the one treading upon it. But be of good cheer, the one treading the winepress has revealed to me a way to overcome and escape being part of the grapes of wrath.
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> **Again, these revelations sound miraculous, so why not share them? And why so cryptic?
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> -B
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> Friends,
If you are following this dialog between me and the poster above, I am requesting that you read the following responses from me to the poster. You see, I think that your life could be saved, or a life-ruining condition/addiction avoided if youu read my response to the poster here.
There are many aspects presented here that could IMHO lead one to their death. Let's look at this one first.
[...the poster is only taking 75 mg of Tramadol..that's a low dose...my suggestion was to use a benzo as a PRN at a low dose...people who died..death was an outcome of mixing copious amounts of substances...whay would Dr Bob..not allow you to share...].
Let's use some critical thinking here by reading what is written. Is there some type of meaning in the statement that people could get that there is such a thing as a safe dose of Tramadol? The poster calls the amount of Tramadol taken by the innitiator of the thread a {low dose}. The poster referrs to a {high dose} being dangerous. But is there a citation, othere than anecdotal, as to what is or is not a high dose or a low dose or where such a line could be drawn so that below would be a safe dose? Can people be led to believe that 75 mg of Tramadol is safe to take? But is there any substantiation by a citation from an accepted source to indicate that there is such a thing as a high or low dose and that 75 mg is safe to take?
My friends, the chemical constituants of Tramadol are in any dose one takes. These chemicals react with the enzymes in the liver to produce a metabolite and react in ways that I am not permitted to post about here. You could do a search here of [Lou, Tramadol] or [Lou, Ambrose] or [Lou, thalidomide] or [Lou, benzene] and find a thread where I was stopped by Mr. Hsiung from posting historical facts, facts that I think could mark the difference between you being a live person or a corpse.
You see, when one talks about dosage, be advised that one dose for one person could be much more to another person because of the person's body mass, what other chemicals are in the person's body, the person's age or gender or other aspects of a person's make-up so that one dosage for one person could be different for another person. I do not see any of the make-up of the innitiator of this thread and he/she could be a young or old person, a heavy or thin person, or have aspects unbeknownst to us.
Now our Scott here, posted about the {low dose} thinking. One can do a search here to fiind that.
But there is much more to this. You see, I have reports from the FDA where people died from taking one pill of a psychotropic drug. Or got a life-threatening condition from what could be called a {low dose} as some doctors start people off with a dose and then increase the dose gradually. So we could have aa {lower} dose or a {higher} dose, but I do not prescribe to any thinking that the lower dose is always {safe} in that one could not die or get a life-threatening condition from the {lower} dose.
You see, I think that there is a great danger here if one is led to believe that there are safe dosages to take of any mind-altering drug. Can one take a safe dose of heroin? Can one take a safe dose of Xanax? Can one take a safe dose of prozac/paxil/luvox/lexapro/celexa?
You see, those drugs are fluorinated, which means that they have the chemical cinstituant being {fluoride}. And fluoride is accumlative. You see, even if there was such a thing as a safe dose, there could be an accumulation in the organs so that the {unsafe} level of the drug could be reached in the body. There are many cases of liver failure that can lead to death or a transplant from these drugs. People who drink just a little, {low dose} over time can die from liver failure later in life. You know, if I was not prohibitted from contiuing posting here about Tramadol/Effexor and such, I could have posted the chemistry of the drugs, how they were used and by whom for what and how psychotrpic drugs were developed. If you knew that, I think that you could have the education to be able to question even taking Tramadol at any dose.
And the poster here asks why would Mr. Hsiung have a prohibition to me if what I could post could save lives. Well, there are Mr. Hsiung's rationales posted here in some cases, but I do not accept them because Mr. Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that one match could start a forest fire and that he does not wait to stop such from being a possibility. And Mr. Hsiung states in his TOS that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, and to not just trust him in that, but to {try} to trust him in that, which is different from just trusting.
So if death could be a result of Mr. Hsiung prohibiting me from posting what IMHO could save lives, and that he states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, (and try to trust him in that), then by the nature of that quantities equal to the same quantity are equal to each other, then death could be thought to be good for this community as a whole.
You see, I came here to show you how to find a new life, free from the bondage of addiction and depression. It has been revealed to me a way to be delivered from this bondage into a new life, a more abundant life, free from the shakles of addiction/depression. The innitiator of this thread wants to be free from Tramadol. Does it matter what the poster's reason(s) could be? And if the poster wants to use human acheivement to find a way out from the drug, that is the poster's choice and they can reject this opportunity that I offer now. But if one wants to find a way out to a new life, free from addiction/depression by divine accomplishment, then they could accept this opportunity now. Just because one that takes these mind-altering drugs has not died yet, that does not mean that they could not die tomorrow from these drugs.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/tramadol/sudden+death
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