Posted by bleauberry on October 12, 2009, at 19:11:53
In reply to Re: cfs virus identified » bleauberry, posted by metafunj on October 11, 2009, at 21:10:11
> Without tests how would you suspect one from being infected and not having some other problem?
The symptom presentation. Is there fatigue? Pain? Depression? Anxiety? Malaise? The list goes on. Could be one, could be some, could be all. Of the 34 most common symptoms of Lyme I had most of them, while my doctor said some of his patients only had the symptom of depression...no pain, no fatigue, nothing else, just depression. They got better on antibiotics not antidepressants.
If there are symptoms, an infectious organism cannot automatically be ruled out. It does need to be ruled out...or in. The longer the person's symptoms have been a problem, and the longer psychiatric meds seem inadequate, the more likely the symptoms are from something other than "depression".
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> Which herbs are you talking about? I'm sure that many of them have been studied and been shown to be anti microbal, anti fungal, anti bacterial etc.It depends on which infectious organism is suspected. Some herbs are broad spectrum and cover a bunch of possibilities, while others are more targeted. Usually we just don't know, so it makes sense then to start with a broad spectrum to see if an infectious organism is involved or not. And then if yes, narrow the herbs down to see if it bacterial, fungal, or viral. Or it probably doesn't matter...whatever it is, we by that time are already taking the substance the organism is sensitive to.
Many of these herbs have been tested in test tubes, human bodies, and animal bodies. Very specific species of organisms that are sensitive to them have been identified.
In Lyme it is a bit of deduction. We know that the Lyme bacteria...Borellia...is a spirochete (spiral shaped resembling a parasite). So are Syphilis and Leprosy. The same herbs that treat those diseases also treat Lyme. Not by scientific analysis, but rather by experience.
Babesia is a common co-infection of Lyme, occuring in about 60% of cases. It is a parasite, similar to Malaria, and killed by the same herbs and meds that treat Malaria.
Maybe some numbers would be interesting?
The Herb Coptis. Strong antibiotic, antispirochete. Suppresses the flu virus. In a clinical trial 80% of people taking it did not catch the flu when exposed to it. Antifungal, antiamoeba, antichlamydia. Heals abcesses. In an unrelated studied, there was an 88.2% success rate in treating gall bladder inflammation, showing the wide poorly understood therapeutic value of certain plants.
Combination Sarsaparilla, Coptis, Licorice:
90% cure rate in Syphisis and Leprosy, 50% cure rate in chronic late state. Anti-allergic. Anti-inflammatory. Regenerates damaged tissue. Inhibits histamine release.I could go on and on. The point is, we know from one side of the world what these herbs do from experience, and we are discovering on the other side of the world why they do what they do.
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