Posted by linkadge on June 29, 2009, at 7:43:12
In reply to Re: A similar study, posted by morganpmiller on June 28, 2009, at 22:06:28
>Plus, neither of these studies come close to >showing me anything that should concern the >average SSRI user.
Well, I am not really trying to convince you in particular.
>You seem to be a bit biased as you have not had >good experiences with SSRIs.
My health is number one. I don't care if I fail a drug.
>I am sure we will find all sorts of things wrong >with long term health risks of some or all >current antidepressants, including SSRIs. I >seriously doubt that these long term risks will >apply to a significant percentage of those on >antidepressants for 10 or 20 or 30 years.
Well, thats one speculation.
>Do you know about the study on Zoloft giving >evidence for it's use in treating melanoma?It is an investigational treatment. Just like citalopram was an investigational (failed) tretment for autism.
>Did you know that it is very possible that many >antidepressants, including SSRIs, may actually >stimulate the immune system?
I'm sorry, is that a good thing?
>I would suggest that many people who suffer from >depression over the years, even after being >treated with an SSRI, simply were not doing all >of the other things that are necessary to stay >in optimal health.
Well, thats an interesting hypothesis. Why don't you design a study to make things a little more scientific.
>Oh Yeah! the use of those antidepressants is >virtual non existent relative to the use of >SSRIs.
Yes, that is now. At one point TCA's were all that was available. It was only after the SSRI's came out that doctors started admitting to some of the more disturbing side effects of TCA's. I assume that the same will happen when a new class of AD comes out.
>People you have been treated with SSRIs are much >more likely to have their health suffer due to >the ravages of stress and anxiety and >depression.Not necessarily. You see when the impact of depression is accounted for, they can adjust for the health effects that a certain level of depression should cause. Not everybody who has severe depression takes an antidepressant. When you study this group you can determine the effect of depression itself on cardic function. Then, you can remove this effect from the AD group and determine whether there is still an elevated risk due to the only common independant variable - antidepressant use.
>Maybe they just didn't do what was necessary to >get healthy again, heal, and counter the damage >that was done before the started the SSRI. Maybe >that damage was irreversible and was already >started before the SSRI treatment. There are >sooooooo many factors here.
Or maybe, as the data suggests, SSRI use itself is negatively impacting cardiac function in some way. The way you dismiss the results says to me that you simply don't like to consider this possibility. You like the notion that your SSRI is perfectly safe - and you are willing to fight to retain that notion.
>Maybe some or all SSRIs are bad for our hearts. >I'm not ruling out the possibility. But given >what we know now and the relationship between >stress, anxiety,depression and health, I think >it is VERY premature to think that SSRIs are >causing sudden cardiac death.I don't think you get the notion that *the effect of depression was accounted for in these studies*. Researchers know that depression and anxiety itself cause an elevated risk of cardiac death. That is why they adjusted for these factors.
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