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Re: Vicodin and Percocet for Depression linkadge

Posted by Quintal on August 14, 2007, at 4:06:38

In reply to Re: Vicodin and Percocet for Depression, posted by linkadge on August 13, 2007, at 21:38:57

>No offence taken

I'm pleased to hear that. It's good that we can discuss these things openly without taking them personally.

>Some of what I was saying regarding opiates was just (again) some general information, perhaps for expanded discussion (?).

I wondered if it might be a form of distraction. I was confused by most of it to be honest, because it seemed to have little bearing on the central theme we were discussing, which I thought was tolerance. You see, no matter what mechanisms are behind the therapeutic response, the fact that most people do develop tolerance to opiates (and often very quickly) means that tolerance also develops to those esoteric mechanisms, if indeed they are behind the therapeutic response. So I wondered what your motive was for bringing them up.

I've seen less confident posters withdraw from debate with you on several occasions when presented with esoteric mechanisms like this, and I wondered if you might have learned that this could be a way of getting your opponent to back down, so that you could 'win' the debate, even if it became clear that your original assertions were on shaky ground.

>You had made a few general totality type of statements.

I think I may have omitted qualifiers like 'can' on occasion due to haste, rather than making absolute statements, because as I showed, and as we both agree, cognitive impairment and amnesia at therapeutic doses of benzodiazepines is very common. I think I did use the qualifier 'can' on several occasions but I thought you seemed to focus on the few times I omitted it.

>I was trying to say, that unless you can read the minds of every individual who takes benzodiazapines, it is impossable for you to know whether they are experiencing significant cognitive impairment.

I'm relieved to hear you don't think I really do have supernatural powers. I think I went to considerable length to explain my position, that a minority seem to be unaffected, yet you seemed to persist in finding sentences where, by accident, I had omitted the qualifier 'can', even where I had used sentences containing the qualifier 'can' in the same post. I found that quite challenging.

>Well, as much as ADHD may or may not be the case, I don't feel it is fair to diagnose online (as much as I appreciate the support)

I really wasn't trying to diagnose you link, but I remember you saying that you thought you had ADHD, and that you had been prescribed Ritalin at one point, but I can't remember why. Recently you seem to have changed you mind on the ADHD issue, and, because I noticed that your posts seemed quite disorganized, I thought that this might be a valid diagnosis after all.

>I don't much fit the borderline personality diagnosis (as far as I can tell)

I remember you querying it as an alternative to the bipolar diagnosis that you have often said you disagree with. Again this was just a suggestion, and of course I don't know you in real life so am in no position to diagnose.

>although a doctor would probably be best to consult about that.

Absolutely.

>No problem at all.

I'm pleased to see we can have an open discussion of conflict like this. It's very refreshing. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding and I hope we've gone some way to clearing things up.

Q


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