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Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » Quintal

Posted by liliths on February 23, 2007, at 7:49:36

In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » liliths, posted by Quintal on February 22, 2007, at 20:54:38

hi Q

that's interesting... I take a nitric oxide booster as a vasodilator before working out. I'll have to keep looking for a better site then for the piracetam as it does look promising and sounds like one can take either or both - I'd do 'almost' anything to jump start this tired old brain :) Yes, I think I need to do more research myself. I'm glad the link was useful :))

someone posted about using SAMe with tianeptine. I found some old SAMe I've had for years - may not even be effective anymore but one never knows. Anyway, they said it definitely seemed to help boost the tianeptine. I may try one instead of a wellbutrin in my afternoon meds today

funny about the peripheral neuropathy. I was actually having trouble with my hands while I was still in school. I learned really quickly that I would need to be very careful not to blow them out and that I was already prone to problems. My knucles swelled so badly once that I saw my primary to ask about arthritis. I've had cervical problems for years that flare every now and again. The first time was when I was training as a bodybuilder, about 9 years ago... I lost feeling in my left arm and the hand was totally useless for weeks. The next episode affected my right arm. The point being that I 'think' whatever's going on is coming from my neck... though this right shoulder and arm pain is fairly new and totally awful. Now it seems I'm hitting the target of peripheral neuropathy - numbness, tingling, burning pains, aches. When I ride my mototrcycle, even in relatively mild weather, my fingers have a tendency to turn totally white, bloodless and numb. I've always been extremely sensitive to the cold. But now driving is a nightmare as turning my steering wheel causes my arms and shoulders to just kill me and with this left hand knuckle flare, even riding the bike makes me sore.

Of course, by now, I'm hoping for a diagnosis of some terminal illness LOL but I do think something besides my neck is causing this. A few years back I was visiting a gallery that shows my work and there was a guy doing thermography. Just for fun, he took a picture of me and one hand showed NO heat whatsoever. It actually scared the guy, who told me to go see my doctor. of course, I ignored it at the time

I'm already so near full blown agoraphobia, this is not helping!

so, many of these experiences took place while I was using hydro as an AD. I can only imagine how much worse the pain might have been without it. So I don't think not being on the hydro anymore has that much to do with it. I've had these problems off and on for so long - while on hydro and when not, that if anything, the hydro possible only helped me handle my exsting pain better

But I've definitely got something wrong. When I was having my nerve conduction tests, my fingers were literally blue. I catch chills that just won't go away... but as I said, I've always been really sensitive to the cold.

and I've been off the hydro long enough to know that this is not withdrawal. In fact, had oral surgery last week, for which I took vicodin. One thing I will say for not taking opiods for depression is that they're more effective pain killers when taken less often. :)

And I've resisted the temptation to take them as an AD again, particularly since I'm fighting for my license. Thank you for understanding why I feel the need to contest their decision. I may not be up for much of a fight - I put so much into the last one and lost anyway - that old bugaboo "narcotic" sure puts the fear into everyone. This experience has so exacerbated my depression that I'm near total non-funtional status. Once PRN stepped in, no pill in the world could help what they've done to me. Nothing was working - going off the hydro didn't matter as I was already so depressed from outside events, nothing else got through

I'm sure you read my post on the opiate thread. Now I know what argument you were embroiled in the other night LOL

I often deliberately don't post because I hate how polarized people get about these things. It reminds me of religion, another conversation I prefer not to touch. When someone says THEY know the answer and that everyone else is wrong, I simply beat a hasty retreat. My experience has told me they're usually not interested in even listening to another point of view... whether it's about beliefs or meds (hell, what's the difference? sorry if that sounds blasphemous - I don't know if you're religious so I apologize if the statement was offensive)

I've always understood that there were many ways to view something. Like turning a prism to catch the light, I've always loved conversations that turned and were fueled by diversity. I used to sometimes get called 'wishy-washy' because I'm capable of seeing the point of so many different ways of looking at a subject.

are you having pain as part of your withdrawal or do you think it's just pain that was being masked by the codeine? When I tapered off the hydro, I did so slowly enough that I never felt a thing, really. But hey, I've tapered off 'notorious' effexor a couple of times too and also had no problems. I just take it slow, my body seems to have plenty of time to adjust. Now maybe that's just me. Maybe in addition to being an opiod responder, I have a good withdrawal system LOL anyway, the point I'm rambling around is that you might consider going down more slowly, if you're experiencing withdrawal pain

Hannah is my sweet cat. I had 2 - hannah & daphne - they were siblings and the 3 of us pretty much lived as 3 sisters :)

Daphne died on June 1... they had just turned 16 on May 3. There's a dedication to her on my site.

anyway, her death came pretty close to killing hannah too. It actually would probably have been easier on me to lose them both together as I am so dependent of hannah and hannah on me, I can't imagine how I'll possibly get through the grief when she goes. I still mourn daphne and cried every single day for months. I lost her just as I was just starting to study for my boards... I had to push my test date by 2 weeks to compensate for the time I was just overhwelmed by grief and fighting to keep hannah alive

My vet's amazed at how well she's doing for an old lady LOL Well, that's one of the side benefits of my being home every day, all day. She literally lives off my love and attention. They're Oriental Shorthairs - pure black - like patent leather when they were young, though now the fur is shot with grey :) Very intelligent, very demanding, very vocal... the breed is just amazing!
Hannah is my little miracle sister. She keeps me a prisoner in some ways. I can't travel, or even stay out for more than 1 night (even that's pushing it and I don't even live alone anymore) which would probably have really helped in the early days of my Board fiasco. It's also given me a good excuse to never leave the house. But as much as an anchor, she is also my lifeline. Many, many years ago, having hit a real bottom, I sat in my apartment and realized I was finally ready to die. Then I looked over at my 2 girls who were in the bed with me and realized if I killed myself, I'd have to kill them too and since they weren't asking to die, I could never do that... which meant I couldn't kill myself either. The irony of it caused me to just laugh and I later wrote a poem about it. Suddenly I understood why women killed their children when committing suicide and even why some men killed their whole families before killing themselves. Now understanding and condoning are 2 different things. I couldn't kill my girls. I had no choice but to live, but the realization and understanding was a profound experience

ok, I've rambled enough at poor you for the moment :0

have a glorious day, my sweet friend Q

namaste,
lilith

> Hi Lil,
>
> I think vinpocetine acts more as a vasodilator, but you can take both together. Don't know a great deal about either to be honest. Time for Prof. Quintal to do his homework. Thanks for the link BTW.
>
> I think you're right about appealing against their decision given all you put into getting your license. Are you sure the pains aren't due to the fact you're now off opiates? I'm having the same problem.
>
> I was looking at the work thread, and I wondered who is Hannah?
>
> Q


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