Posted by Larry Hoover on February 10, 2007, at 14:15:25
In reply to Re: holy mackeral laima! » Larry Hoover, posted by Chairman_MAO on February 7, 2007, at 14:00:08
> I misread what you wrote, sorry. If you are in constant pain, why has it been nine weeks since you last used opioids? Well, of course I know the usual answer to that question, but I hate to hear it.
No, it's not the usual answer. I have grams of oxycodone, in various formulations. My body simply learned to reject it, or something like that. It's called Downhill Spiral Syndrome, at least by one doctor who believes in it. To go into withdrawals while on a substantial but stable dose of continual release drug, while simultaneously finding the pain escaping from underneath....I simply had to stop taking the drug, to end the horror.
> I wasn't assigning symptoms of drug withdrawal to neurosis; I was referring to the desire to control what one views as out of control through the use of drugs based upon a neurophysiological justification--sans any empirical evidence--a neurosis. I have no problem with people taking drugs; the problem I have is the biopsychiatric rationale for medico-statist controls.
I'm less inclined to that perspective, methinks.
> Yes, three days. The doctor simply said "I want you clean" and gave me a three-day Librium taper. It was a [cruel] joke; I was hallucinating and couldn't defacate for over a week without an enema due to the muscle tension. I easily could've had a seizure and died. At times I'd have multiple panic attacks in a row. I told my current doctor about this ordeal and he almost fell out of his chair; he said that to him, three MONTHS is bordering on rapid. I don't know if I'd ever have the gall to consent to "hospitalization" again. I went into the hospital once after that because I had nowhere to live and was suicidal, and all they did for me was take me off of the Nardil because I "couldn't be trusted" with it. I had to sign myself out AMA while in severe depression with agoraphobia and get back on the medication. They wanted to keep me for six weeks longer and put me on mood stabilizers despite the fact I've had bipolar disorder ruled out in the past. The only way I was able to get out was by filing a complaint and talking to the head doctor there, who happened to know me. She told me that she couldn't override what they were doing but that since I had never consented to this treatment when I signed in, I had a right to leave at any time. Fun. Abusive.And it's a wonder that this can happen to someone with your significant cognitive abilities and communication skills, non?
> What you say about opioids and finding them unpleasant is actually--despite the widely held belief to the contrary--the norm. Most people given an intravenous injection of morphine find the experience extremely unpleasant and, needless to say, do not care to repeat it. Only those in pain find opioids desirable.But, if and only if they control the pain. For over eighteen months, oxycodone worked beautifully. I cannot grasp what changed that, other than to speculate on a massive up-regulation of my opioid receptors.
> It is worthy of mention that Aristotle held that physical and emotional pain were the same thing.I'm afraid I disagree with that, too. Pain and suffering are quite distinct, IMHO.
> Too bad we're not that "advanced" these days.
Only by the greatest of simplifications can I link the two. Simply my opinion.
Lar
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