Posted by SLS on September 18, 2006, at 0:02:59
In reply to Re: Tonight I don't feel that antidepressants work, posted by SLS on September 17, 2006, at 23:22:08
> > >Man, when I was responding to Parnate + >desipramine for those 9 months, my whole >conscious experience was altered. The world was
> > >different. It felt different I operated >differently in it. My thoughts and feelings were >changed. My behavior changed. My interactions >with people changed. People reacted differently >towards me. It was a different life. My bowel >functions changed. My sense of taste changed. I >lost my clumsiness. I lost my ataxia while >walking. I regained by ability to read and >comprehend. I began to read newspapers, >magazines, and books for the first time in my >life. My eyesight improved. I no longer felt >cold all the time. My reaction time while >driving improved. I no longer experienced heart >palpitations. I no longer sighed on a regular >basis. I no longer craved carbohydrates and >overate. I no longer overslept. I became >productive and industrious; learning to do >electrical work, carpentry, and autobody, while >reading about the mechanics and history of >quantum physics.
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> > Thats what we call bipolar disorer.
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> Yup. Drug-induced only.
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> The remission that I experienced for 6 months before entering hypomania was normothymic (euthymic). People who are unipolar and respond to antidepressants report similar experiences with similar words. They are also the words used by people who are not depressed to describe life. That's right. I was simply describing life. Many, many people have maintained their remissions for decades. How do I know? I have had close associations with doctors who have treated these people. These have included researchers at the NIMH. The drugs used included MAOIs. I have not heard of a tendency of them to poop-out so soon. That reputation lies solely with the SSRIs. However, all ADs have this potential. They just don't do it so often or so soon.
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> The options are:
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> 1. Take them.
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> 2. Don't take them.
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> The advantage to option #2 is that you can do something else.Of course, you can do something else while doing #1 most of the time.
This is silly. Sorry.
I guess the point is, it is what it is. The drugs are what they are. They are the best that we have at this point, a mere 50 years since their accidental discovery. It is somewhat silly to direct so much anger towards everyone and everything for the shortcomings of the drugs. Blame the drug companies. Blame the doctors. Blame the research institutions. Blame the insurance companies. It's all a conspiracy.
Yeah. Right.
People are doing the right thing, though. Scrutiny. We should be holding our people, places, and things up to public scrutiny, and I am glad that there are people who do. There are conflicts of interest in research projects. There are defects in the design of clinical trials. These things should be looked at and changed if necessary.
But the drugs are what they are.
25 years of investigation into the antidepressants that we use come up with the numbers that I cited. Even if they are optimistic, the lowest numbers one could come up with - placebo - still gives you a 25% shot with each drug. LOL.
Now, some of us are now wanting to believe that the population of posters on Psycho-Babble is representative of the general population? Then where is everybody? There are MILLIONS of depressed people taking antidepressants who know how to surf the Web. Where are they? DUH. They are responding well and consistently to their medication and are not inclined to look for a support group. They do not have questions to be answered. They are not treatment-resistent.
So, we have us. Our drugs don't work on us. Therefore drugs don't work. Therefore drugs don't work on anyone.
Yeah. Right.
- Scott
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