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Re: h in e: truth.

Posted by PsychoSage on March 1, 2004, at 18:13:06

In reply to Re: h in e: truth., posted by Questionmark on February 29, 2004, at 20:49:32

> Alright, listen. i would like to clear up a commonly held but absurd misconception about ecstacy. It DOES NOT HAVE HEROIN IN IT. (Or, at least, hardly hardly ever if ever, and not nEArly as much as so many think). This is a ridiculous notion for 3 reasons: 1) heroin is not absorbed through the GI tract/ taking orally (i'm almost positive); 2) heroin is much more expensive than MDMA so why would anyone want to put it in a pill of E (or replace E with it) and then sell it? 3)Well, i don't know what 3 is, but also i have never seen an actual pill of heroin before.
> i'm so sick of ignorant morons who don't know anything about anything spreading rumors about sh*t that is complete horse crap! There is not heroin in ecstacy pills!! i'm sorry to get so ticked off about this, i just can't stand when people hold opinions as fact without any evidence to support it. And i've told people before when they've said that there's heroin in ecstacy (sometimes or always-- people believe different things) that that's not true and the reasons why. And they're like "nuh dude, it's true. Blah blah blah heroin in ecstacy." You MORON!! HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?! DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPPORT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING EXCEPT YOU HEARD FROM SOME MORON WHO HEARD FROM SOME MORON WHO....??!!!!!! AH people annoy me.
> i'm sorry. i'm a little irritated today. No offense anyone-- well, not too much at least.


Cocaine-- NO

heroin or some kinda opiate that makes ya yak before the fun gets rolling so to speak-- YES

seen it, done it whatever it is it's qualitatively very different.

I am not a child anymore, so it's been a while [i am 25yo]. Therefore, I realize i am out of touch, and most people on E were not yaking out there to begin with I can admit. So, most of the E probably did not have opiates in it.

However, either way I would not be so keen in using the positive aspects of the experience of using it when discussing it as a tool for PTSD people. I think the energy behind any excitement for it as a therapeutic tool comes from the alleged harmlessness of using the drug occasionally in the recreational setting.

Ecstacy would have a very tiny limited market if it were used in therapy in the beginning. Otherwise, it will become as mishandled as the prescribing of antidepressants by primary doctors if it were used for other therapy issues or mental conditions.

i can envision an MDMA-like substance finding its way into the lives of mental health patients, but it would be analgous to the way amphetamine is given to children for productivity and symptom control. It would not be for fun or for a party night or a club/rave. It would be strictly for theraputic purposes, so the connotations with communing experiences and pleasurable massages and dancing til dawn should go out the door.

There should and would not be any moral imperative to remove any reprehension that exists now for taking E and therefore, allow a child/teenager to take E in the future as a rite of passage and necessary experience for any young American since it has a meritorious use in theoffices of therapists. I think that if it finds its way to the market then a lot of people will think that it was a good thing all along, and it is as harmless as beer. Anyone who gets excited over the widespread sanctioned, free-flowing use of ecstacy has issues of drug use stigma and very little sincere support for PTSD people who could benefit from this.


I guess I mean to be a joykill here, but i am skeptical of the value of MDMA for therapy. I would hate to see it become something that big corporations profit from the same way they profit from alcohol, cigarettes and many pharm drugs that are only partially effective.

One experience might create a way to get in touch with feelings and events from the past, but long-term healing is something that can not happen in one trip. I think many patients would be too eager to want to do the experience again just like many recreational drug users would want to do a drug again because they would think it's their life or death right to break further ground. Where do you draw the line? Who cares? Doctors, therapists, and pharmaceuticals would make something out of this if 60% took it succesffully and 40% did not. That is how things seem to work these days. Many drug users eventually figure out that a drug that adds an experience to their life yields nothing utilitarian.

Mentally and emotionally humans don't exist on the ecstacy plane of experience on a daily basis. The drug creates a product that is bound by that trip. The memory of the session in therapy is bound by that trip as well. How would a PTSD person be able to deal with talking and remembering on a non-ecstacy state of mind still?

Let us take this idea: It's easy to admit things when you are drunk, but when you are sober you realize that the admission doesn't have as much weight because it doesn't have as much transformational power as a breakthrough while sober does.


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