Posted by DayByDay on October 13, 2003, at 10:31:29
In reply to Adderall induced mania? Or...? Please help..., posted by memma on October 9, 2003, at 16:05:16
Hello there.
(My post is possibly even longer than yours, I hope it wonīt discourage you from reading it)Amphetamine (which is in adderal) itself is considered by researchers
(high recreational doses at least - I donīt know about small doses medical doses) to have effects similar to the symptoms of mania. I read that researchers, as I remember it, are actually giving it to rats to mimic mania to then experiment on them, poor rats.From my own experience I used to have SSRI-induced (Prozac, Zoloft, Lexapro, Paxil)BP mixed states only when I was on medications - i took them for a long time without being aware of it - I told my doc about how I fellt and she didnīt say anything about med-induced BP (BPIII) although
she knew I had BP in the family. Later a doc
told me that not all docs knows about this - bad luck for me. If I knew about this I would have stayed away from amphetamine because I knew how it worked on people. Here comes the nasty part - I had tried it a couple of times in rather small amounts to help me with my homework at the University and even though I had nasty comedowns it actually did help me, the first times at least, at those critical moments when I had a lot of stuff to do - I never got any problems from it afterwards. Then one time got some really strong stuff from a friend that i took much of and I got a very strong rush which truly fellt manic - I had rushing thoughts, fellt
very smart and creative, like a crazy genius - I didnīt get my homework done but wandered around
for several and wrote down all my "brilliant" ideas in a notebook. I didnīt sleep for three days. But this time I noticed that this rushing thought and manic creativity remained for a couple days afterwards - I thought it was some
remaining effect from the A so I didnīt bother. I had some left in the bag and used it for homework
a couple of more times. To make a long story short several months later I realised that the A
had triggered a Mixed BP state in me that lasted to time I became aware of it - then I had the worst depression of my life. Iīve read in the
DSM IV about amphetamine and it said, as I remember it that amphetamine use (both medical and illegal) can induce mania, if it last for up to 2 weeks after you stop taking the drug itīs directly related to the amphetamine if it last longer than that one might suspect that it had triggered a real phychiatric disorder which it did
in me. I guess this maybe makes me more than med-induced BP only, I havenīt spoke about this with my doctor mostly because I have a hard time accepting it but Iīll do it on my next visit.
Naturally i wonīt take anymore amphetamine in my life and I regret that I ever took it, more than I regret anything else in my life.Now me and my new doc, the first really good one(Iīve had some bad docs too) and I have are trying new meds to help me with my depression. Depakote + SSRI didnīt work for me and now Iīm are trying lithium and lamictal without any SSRI at all. So far I donīt know were Iīm heading I guess Iīm in a medicine experimentation phase like you are but Iīm hoping for the best for both of us.
One more thing I just noticed in your text
"Plus, I've been so worried, almost compulsive type worrying about really irrational and minute things, and I previously did not react that way to stimulants."
I know that amphetamine can have this effect in
me, during the high and especially during the comedown. I also have OCD so my symptoms get worse. Although iīve heard Amphtetamine can be
used to treat OCD, iīve also read that amphetamine
can cause OCD in some of the children that use it for ADHD. I think they gave the children a daily dose of 250mg vitamine B6 to reduce it.By the way I have a link about ADHD where a dutch commision claiming that ADHD is not a brain disorder, itīs one of those anti-medicine sites,
I donīt believe medicines are all bad - they do help a lot of people, still they can be bad itīs good that there are people focusing on that since
the pharm-companies and many docs often have a one-sided picture aswell.http://www.prozactruth.com/add_adhd.htm#top
Hope Iīve been of some help. If you like to, post an update and tell me how your situation develops
it would be interesting to know since iīm in this
"experimenting with meds to help me without causing BP" situation aswell
DbD
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