Posted by BarbaraCat on July 18, 2002, at 0:49:51
In reply to Re: BarbaraCat-chocolate/PEA ...it looks like.., posted by Fuscia on July 17, 2002, at 17:12:15
Regarding oxytocin, I was of the understanding that it's produced especially during lactation and creates more of a bonding protective response than the amphetamine-like errogenous response associated with mad passionate PEA love. Your article also related PEA and love. But oxytocin is especially interesting to me (now, that is, of course PEA has certainly been of great use at other times) because it's had some benefits with fibromyalgia. It's not a well-known treatment at all, and I haven't thought about it for a while, but will get on the research trail once again - thanks for the reminder. Oxytocin causes uterine contractions and is in massive supply during labor - wonder if that's part of why it might be good for SSRI anorgasmia? And does it work only for women?
Back to chocolate - I remember someone actually suggesting the reason women get chocolate crazed premenstrually is because they need extra magnesium, hence, a craving for Mg rich chocolate. Well, I sure don't crave wheat germ or oysters or nuts or anything but CHOCOLATE!!! so it must be something besides seeking a magnesium fix. Don't think we really need a reason since it's a substance put here primarily for hedonism. It'll also keep me awake if I have it too late at night. The short time I was on Wellbutrin SR I felt like my eyeballs were permanently bulging out of my head, like those boingy springy eyeball glasses. Plus it made me sweat. - Barbara
> > Hi Fuscia,
> > Yes, I figured MDMA was related to PEA. Why else would it be called the 'love drug'? Sure sent me into lovely transports of empathic bliss - wish life could be like that without resorting to something that's so hard on the body.
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> > I didn't realize Wellbutrin was related. I wonder what denaturization process goes on with these meds, i.e., Wellbutrin, Effexor, that renders them so far removed from the scintillating effects I associate with love, MDMA, chocolate (my fave is Hagen-Daz dark chocolate covered vanilla ice cream bar-- oh, Jeez, is the store still open?)?...
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> Hi BarbaraCat,
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> Well, looks like we might have to scrape the PEA and chocolate idea, at least according to the following information:
> Chocolate and Anxiety
> http://panicdisorder.about.com/library/weekly/aa980211.htm?terms=%2Bchocolate%2Banxiety
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> Tests have been done that shows chocolate does contain PEA, but that it doesn't reach the brain. The good feeling might be a combo-effect with the chocolate chemicals, sugar effect of endorphine release, plus mouth feel. I've never heard of anyone craving unsweetened chocolate.
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> That's a good question and I wonder why too. I've never tried MDMA, but I have tried solo Wellbutrin SR for one month. I couldn't stand the non-stop verbal snapping at my husband, so I went off it - funny though that I was in a relaxed state while being short of tongue. I hear that a hormone that is released during that wonderful being-in-love feeling is oxytocin. They even think that oxytocin might counteract anorgasmia caused by SSRI's.
> I do agree with the article that you gotta find what amount of chocolate is right for you. I get lethargic and then hours later can't go to sleep if I eat too much chocolate, which I would think is from the sugar causing rollercoaster ride on my insulin levels, besides the caffeine. This is more so if I eat it after mid-afternoon. But about a tablespoon or two of Belgian chocolate chips is just right.
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> I better stop talking about chocolate before I talk myself into an urge for we have no chocolate in the house : 0
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> Take care, Fuscia
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