Posted by IsoM on January 11, 2002, at 1:44:02
In reply to Do You Have Proof of Your Claims?.... » Dolphin, posted by Cam W. on January 11, 2002, at 1:02:04
Cam, I've posted a message to Dr. Bob in Psycho-Babble Administration about Dolphin's misleading info. I'm confident of a sensible response from him.
As I'm sure you know, I thoroughly agree with you about her pseudo-science & pseudo-nutrition. But getting angry with Dr. Bob isn't the best way to handle it, nor the best way to convince others that her information is incorrect.
Think of a law court where one person is raving at the judge, always interupting & speaking out of term while the other side keeps calm & unruffled. Which side seems to others to be the sensible side & who gets the judge's & jurors' sympathy. Remember, the old tired cliché "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar" is really true. I *don't* want falsehood to win the argument.
> ......or are you selling something, perhaps.
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> I'm sorry, a doctor of theology (god knows) is not the best person to be giving nutritional advice.
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> Roy Walford is now suffering from a muscular disorder brought on by nitric oxide level build-up from the Biosphere experiment. Hardly a good example of "proving" someone can live to 165 years.
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> Lack of vitamin C causes heart disease? Too much vitamin C can cause calcium leeching from the bones from acidification of blood pH, and in extreme cases, renal failure. Please provide a scientific study abstract from MEDLINE outlining proof of this statement.
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> Atheroslerotic plaque is just Poly-Filler? That is not how the process is described in Harrison's. If our major arteries are developing "cracks and leaks" the least of our worries would be cholesterol build-up. It would probably be damage to the interstial tissue outside of these vessels, and the potential damage done by pathogens leaking throught the holes.
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> The Japanese don't eat red meat (at better than $50/lb for steak how can they afford it). Their diet is high in fish. Check your LDL values for each of these meats.
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> Positively charged metallic ions absorb as soon as they hit your lips? Is this via active transport mechanisms, diffusion, osmosis? Again, a lack of basic knowledge of physiology is showing in your arguments. My intestines, at least my upper intestines, are of a high pH, but to say that they are "negatively charged" is a misrepresentation. Besides, a postive charge meeting a negative charge will bind to form a salt, which is a solid (eg. sodium ions plus chloride ions - Na+ and Cl- > NaCl - or table salt; calcium ions plus carbonate ions - Ca2+ and CO2 2- > CaCO2 - or calcium carbonate). Both of these are readily dissolvable in the stomach (acidic environment) or the duodenum (basic environment). The same is true of metallic combinations like ferrous sulfate, ferrous gluconate, aluminum hydroxide, magnesium sulfate, magnesium citrate, etc.
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> DR.BOB - HOW LONG ARE YOU GOING TO LET PEOPLE WITH NO BACKGROUND IN PHYSIOLOGY OR PHARMACOLOGY PRINT OBVIOUSLY FRADULENT CLAIMS LIKE THIS? How are people going to know what is science and what is pseudo-science? Check MEDLINE yourself and try to find any validation of Dolphin's misinformation. People should follow the RDA (recommended daily allowance) of vitamins and minerals. These levels have been tested, retested, and refined over the years. I see no reason why a person touting an overpriced vitamin mixture is allowed to advertise here.
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> "Anticancer diet" indeed! Dr.Bob, are you prescribing beta-carotene and selenium for your cancer patients who have secondary mental health issues? This diet should be universal by now; it is 9 years old.
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> Dr.Bob, I also do not see why we, with as much (or less) knowledge than you on the matter of proper RDA requirements of vitamins and minerals, make us posters defend "real" science against the snake-oil salesmen. "What-ifs" and "maybes" are what sucker in those who have lost hope in curing their mental disorders through mainstream medical science.
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> Wouldn't it be more prudent to teach those who have chronic mental disorders to live within the parameters of their affliction; rather than having them give their money to those who prey upon those who are willing to try anything for a cure; especially when then product is overpriced; and the vitamin cure is discredited every 20 years or so.
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> The instances when vitamins do "cure" mental afflictions, are few and far between in the 21st century. When did you see your last case of pellagra?
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> Dolphin's post is not another point of view; it is pure unadulterated bullshit! Do you have the balls to stand up to this pseudoscientific nonsense? I doubt it!
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> You have stretched the bounds of my civility by perpetuating this crap. Please remove my ID and password from your list.
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> - Cam W.
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> P.S. Respect is earned!
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