Posted by OldSchool on January 1, 2002, at 11:28:41
In reply to communist? » OldSchool, posted by sid on January 1, 2002, at 10:38:38
> You wrote:
> "Get rid of the powerful insurance lobbying capabilities and make politicians answer directly to the American citizen voter. "
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> That's precisely what socialised medicine is !
NO its not Sid! Socialised medicine is where the government charges sky high taxes in order to pay for a government subsidized health program. Taxes in these country's where socialised medicine is common are high. If socialised medicine came to the USA, our federal government would have to begin charging even higher taxes than we already pay in order to finance this socialised healthcare system.I dont want to pay anymore taxes Sid. The government already gets enough of my money as it is.
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> It has nothing to do with communism.It doesnt huh? I totally disagree with you Sid. Socialised medicine IS a form of communism. Look at the name Sid. "Socialised" medicine. Notice the word "socialised." This is derived from the word "socialism." Socialism is a form of watered down communism.
I dont want socialism in my country Sid. I prefer my American freedom instead.
>Yes, there are problems in Canada because there has been abuse in the past, and the system needs a reform there too.A LOT of problems Sid. I wouldnt want to have to exist under the Canadian healthcare system.
> However, I have lived in different countries, Canada and the US being two of them, (I had insurance in the US), and the system I prefer is the Canadian one. Canadian doctors go to the US to earn real money, why? Because of the lobbies of insurance companies which leads to monstruous salaries for doctors. Get rid of that in the US and you'll fix part of the problem in Canada too - doctors will be paid less in the US and everybody will be happy. Except doctors who are part of the lobby of course.
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> Health care is in part a public good and as such, it can never be provided efficiently by private firms.Oh yeah? Who says so? YOU? You sound like you have communist or socialist biases yourself. I prefer private medical care, thank you. I prefer using a private practice psychiatrist, rather than one of these taxpayer subsidized county or city mental health clinics. Gag...Ugh.
> At a minimum, it needs costly regulation and monitoring, and socialized health care certainly an interesting option, depending on HOW it is done. A benevolent government is not a communist government - learn to make the difference between the two for goodness sake! Mac Arthur and communism are both dead.
Sid...lets learn a basic economy lesson here. Socialised medicine is nothing but a form of socialism. Socialism is a halfway point between communism and capitalism. I prefer capitalism because I prefer freedom.
The BOTTOM LINE is any country which has socialised medicine is a socialist government. I prefer total freedom in my country and that means I dont want any form of socialism, communism whatever you want to call it.
Going from our current managed care/HMO system to socialised medicine would just be going from one shithole to another shithole, neither of them any good.
I dont see Australia's or Canada's healthcare systems as "role models" for good healthcare BTW.
What we need in America is a go back to the basics pattern of insurance reform and recognize and admit that health insurance is legalized consumer fraud. Reform it by legislation...and you wont need to ruin things further by going to "socialised medicine" which would only lead to higher tax rates in the USA. Regulate the health insurance industry more heavily and we wont need socialised medicine in the USA, with all the troubles it brings with government "rationed" care. What a crock of shit.
Pretty soon everything you make goes to the government in the form of taxes. Screw that.
Old School
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