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Re: An eloquent M.D. writes about genetic(s) hype...

Posted by dj on July 6, 2000, at 15:03:04

In reply to Re: An eloquent M.D. writes about genetic(s) hype..., posted by Rick E. on July 6, 2000, at 12:55:05

I don't have the time to deal with your whole post right now. It seems you did not carefully assess all of my comments or those whom I quoted. I suggest you re-read them and think about them very carefully. I will deal with a few of your comments below...

> MY ENVIRONMENT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE, SO I >WILL HAVE TO.

Both can and do change, via various mechanisms including ADs, therapy, spirital and political action.

> If you want to talk about God, then I suggest that you read more of the bible and less worldly works. Revelation is the key here...the world is NOT SUPPOSED to become a better place, just a place where the human mind is much more easily led astray. I see that all around me. On the >TV, this computer as I type!

Perhaps that is your revelation and it is your view. I respectfully disagree and can and have cited sources whom I trust and consider authorative.

> Back to the land of solutions...I really don't think that you have ever experienced the deep rooted depression that many on this site have. If you had, you would not post such delusional things, and certainly show much more compassion. >THAT I am sure of.

Don't be so sure of yourself because you are wrong. Compassion comes in many forms, not just in dogmatic agreement with what you choose to believe.

>Imagine that this were a board of cancer survivors offering advice and compassion to newly diagnosed patients. Would you then feel so comfortable posting messages that portrayed cancer as a purely environmental effect? Would >anyone care what the cause was?

If you carefully re-view my comments they are taking a systemic look at the issues, not a dogmatic one. My father died of cancer. Others in my family are dealing or have dealt with it and a systemic approach to healng was and is key.

Three people from my highschool graduating class (over 25 years ago) two of whom were dear friends died at thier own hands, one a month after my Dad died. And you wouldn't have wanted to experience the major depression I did at that and other times. All of these elements inform my sytemic analysis and interpretation.

> You have some interesting points, things I've started to ponder myself, and I thank you for >that.

You are welcome.

>However, when my time comes, and I must stand before God, I want to feel confident that I have done as much as I can to HELP others when they >were in need...as others have helped me.

I agree with you overall here but not on what form compassion and compassionate action might take and I don't speculate about what happens at the end. I generally focus on what I can do here and now, on an individual and systemic basis.

>Society as a whole is supposed to crumble. I believe it was planned. We as human beings were >designed to suffer

That is your belief, not mine.

I believe the degree of suffering we experience is influenced by the choices we make including what we choose to believe, as Buddhism and other approachs explain. First however we must become conscious of our choices and how they affect us and others.

For instance, scientific studies of whiplash pain sufferers have experienced have shown different experiences of pain in different cultures, dependant in some cases on the societal reward for suffering that being the way the insurance system evaluated and compensated for the impact. I recall discussing this with a health insurance rep. on an airline, around the time my Dad died, and have seen similar studies cited on occassion.

>...and treatment of my condition, to me, is what God wants me to do. Were I laying around suffering from untreated depression, I would be thinking of ways to end my life right now, not out of pure selfishness, but out of wanting to stop suffering such excruciating mental AND physical pain. The drugs DO work, and I am convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt, that society and the spiritual world are better places for it.
>
> Rick E.

No place have I written that the drugs do not work. I've only questioned the degree of their effectiveness and their value in contrast with other approachs. And I noted that they deal with symptoms and not root causes. Only those affected can deal with root causes, if they so choose.

Something for you to ponder, if you choose to...

Peace be with you!

Namaste!

dj


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