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Posted by verne on April 2, 2006, at 18:05:16
Let me get this straight. A religion based on rebirth honors a man's life on earth. Not once, but twice, maybe even three times.
God is the author of all that is good. No one, not even the pope, has anything to boast about.
I embrace the notion of being reborn in the Spirit but simply can't understand the fasicnation with man's earthly deeds. Aren't we pilgrims passing through? Should we stop and build memorials?
Should we stop to admire the past exploits of man? Which is it? Have memorials and build momuments, or be REBORN?
verne
Posted by crazy teresa on April 2, 2006, at 18:49:17
In reply to Pope Anniversary, posted by verne on April 2, 2006, at 18:05:16
I was flipping through channels on tv last night and couldn't figure out why the dead pope was all over. I don't get it either.
Posted by verne on April 2, 2006, at 18:59:57
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary » verne, posted by crazy teresa on April 2, 2006, at 18:49:17
I just want to projectile vomit and spontaneously eject my liver when i see the hype.
Posted by deirdrehbrt on April 2, 2006, at 20:24:30
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary, posted by verne on April 2, 2006, at 18:59:57
Not Catholic, not even Christian.
Still, I sort of understand it. I've even seen articles contemplating his sainthood.
I see it this way: What some people achieve while here on earth is inspirational to others. Not that they should strive toward becoming Pope, but in the things that they accomplish, overcome, etc.
John Paul did much before becoming Pope. As he aged, he still expressed his passions. I admire him. I remember his skiing trip with a group of young people after he became Pope. I liked him much more than the current one.
Anyway, I just think that honoring some people helps the rest of us look to them, examine our own lives, and make the most of what we have and who we are.
--Dee
Posted by jay on April 3, 2006, at 13:23:59
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary, posted by verne on April 2, 2006, at 18:59:57
> I just want to projectile vomit and spontaneously eject my liver when i see the hype.
>
>Why do us Catholics always get picked on? I disagree with many of the Vatican and the Pope's stances on issues, and am a very, very liberal Catholic who embraces all religions and beliefs, including Humanism. If someone picked on Jewish people the same way, they would be branded an anti-semite.
Just my .02 cents.
Jay
Posted by verne on April 3, 2006, at 15:07:18
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary » verne, posted by jay on April 3, 2006, at 13:23:59
Sorry Jay,
catholics are fine in my book. I guess I o'd on all the pope news last year and was surprised that there's more coverage this year.
v
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 3, 2006, at 17:36:21
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary » jay, posted by verne on April 3, 2006, at 15:07:18
How is it possible to be an agnostic catholic?
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 3, 2006, at 17:38:13
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary, posted by gabbi~1 on April 3, 2006, at 17:36:21
In reply to Anybody go to church today??, posted by Spriggy on June 26, 2005, at 16:15:59
No...us Agnostic Humanists are like that. :-) I am not interested in church whatsoever. That's just moi..
Jay
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 3, 2006, at 17:43:13
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary » verne, posted by jay on April 3, 2006, at 13:23:59
It doesn't matter, I'll just reinvoke the mutual D.N.P
I imagine you clicking on my name that one time was probably an accident. I do it all the time.
And I seem to have an uncontrollable chemical reaction to your posts.
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on April 3, 2006, at 18:36:15
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary » verne, posted by jay on April 3, 2006, at 13:23:59
Jay,
I almost posted the exact same thing that you did, but then I was just so disgusted I didn't bother.
I'm pretty disappointed that Bob didn't issue some PBC's and/or blocks on this thread. What's up with that Bob?
BTW, you don't happen to be in your 30's and single, do you? ;)
Best,
EE
Posted by jay on April 3, 2006, at 18:47:43
In reply to Actually » jay, posted by gabbi~1 on April 3, 2006, at 17:43:13
> It doesn't matter, I'll just reinvoke the mutual D.N.P
> I imagine you clicking on my name that one time was probably an accident. I do it all the time.
> And I seem to have an uncontrollable chemical reaction to your posts.Huh? Sorry...I've got a horrible memory. Anyways, I don't know about you, but I want to remove my "DNP" to you. I've personally got no problem in the world with your posts.
And about the religion...you might ask how could one be an Agnostic Humanist? I just figure someone can be a part of everything. Maybe it makes no sense...but that's just me.
Best,
JayJay
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 3, 2006, at 19:01:35
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary » jay, posted by Emily Elizabeth on April 3, 2006, at 18:36:15
There weren't any P.B.C's issued because the poster was talking about his personal reaction to the hype, he didn't criticize the ceremony itself.
It was within the civility guidelines.A poster can say how they react to anything here, including another posters writing, and I'm glad they can.
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2006, at 22:14:09
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary » verne, posted by jay on April 3, 2006, at 13:23:59
Catholics are a soft target, aren't they? You know those offensive artworks that civility rules prevent me mentioning here. Wouldn't happen to other faiths. But the new Pope is pretty nice, isn't he? I thought so, anyway. The encyclical on love,
Declan
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 4, 2006, at 13:31:48
In reply to Re: Pope Anniversary » jay, posted by Declan on April 3, 2006, at 22:14:09
I didn't see anything about Catholicism really.
Just someone wondering why the glorification of one man on earth, when there are other things to consider especially regarding the essence of spirituality.I made a similar remark on Babble when I said the great pyramids reminded me of Wal-Mart..
Shrines to some guy who has money and power, built by slaves..I didn't get P.B.C'd
I may now
Who Knows..
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 4, 2006, at 16:14:05
In reply to Re: Actually » gabbi~1, posted by jay on April 3, 2006, at 18:47:43
Huh? Sorry...I've got a horrible memory. Anyways, I don't know about you, but I want to remove my "DNP" to you. I've personally got no problem in the world with your posts.
>Okay, that sounds fair enough, I'll do the same, and we'll see how it goes : )
> And about the religion...you might ask how could one be an Agnostic Humanist? I just figure someone can be a part of everything. Maybe it makes no sense...but that's just me.
>Well, yeah, but as the Catholic religion is firmly based on their belief in the ONE TRUE GOD it's hard for me to see how one can also consider god to be unknowable.
I personally liked this pope, as far as popes go, and I loved that he wanted to try on Bono's sunglasses, and Bono gave them to him.
That was such a great story.
But no way am I catholic..Anyway, that's your thing
It's just a good thing that you think that way now, and it's not a time where the church could brand you a heretic, and do mean and nasty things to your person.ow
Posted by jay on April 4, 2006, at 18:21:04
In reply to Re: Actually » jay, posted by gabbi~1 on April 4, 2006, at 16:14:05
> Huh? Sorry...I've got a horrible memory. Anyways, I don't know about you, but I want to remove my "DNP" to you. I've personally got no problem in the world with your posts.
> >
>
> Okay, that sounds fair enough, I'll do the same, and we'll see how it goes : )
>
Very cool . :) I've had some rough times on the board, and many caused by my cocky attitude while in a state of hypomania. It's to easy for me to sit down, in such a state, and write little one line answers.>
> > And about the religion...you might ask how could one be an Agnostic Humanist? I just figure someone can be a part of everything. Maybe it makes no sense...but that's just me.
> >
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> Well, yeah, but as the Catholic religion is firmly based on their belief in the ONE TRUE GOD it's hard for me to see how one can also consider god to be unknowable.
> I personally liked this pope, as far as popes go, and I loved that he wanted to try on Bono's sunglasses, and Bono gave them to him.
> That was such a great story.
> But no way am I catholic..Yeah, I read about that Bono story too. I used to have very little respect for the pope. I was baptised and confirmed Catholic. But after highschool, College and university tend to bring new angles on things out because you discover so many wonderful new ways of looking at, and challenging things. I went on a total rebellious streak against anything religious. But, over the past few years, living with depression a big part of it, on a deeply personal level, I've been able to connect with a few of my family members in ways that have helped my healing progress in depression.
There are very, very important core beliefs that I have about humanity, and human rights, though, that I wouldn't or never will let any religion try to change. Instead, I've gone looking into the religion and certain people within who cherish these progressive values. What I found was, in particular in the U.S., large numbers of people who only think there is room for their conservative, U.S. brand of Christianity. So, I've even made it a bit of my effort to 'take back' (or try to learn how to) what I feel has been stolen and slandered. Plus, I said from the start, the only way I was going to go into this and look at it was if I showed respect for every other belief system in existence. The problem with my tolerance is that, well, it doesn't quite tolerate fanaticism and extremism. So maybe there is a bit of an oxymoron there, but I can live with it.
The fundamentalist and the evangelical angle, using the One True GOD thing as an excuse for intolerance and bigotry, no matter how many thousands of sermons these people make, goes against so many of the things that I've read, in particular from the social activist Christians and theologians, about their God not excluding. The bible talks plenty of stories about accepting "refugees"..strangers and wanderers.Sorry for the length...
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> Anyway, that's your thing
> It's just a good thing that you think that way now, and it's not a time where the church could brand you a heretic, and do mean and nasty things to your person.
>
> ow
>Oh yes, I agree, but I think it is a bit exciting that we can find scientists, for example, who believe that Evolution theory can co-exist with Creationism. I still personally believe more in Evolution, and I don't see why it would have to exclude god. Anyhow...this is an interesting topic, and I appreciate you understanding my shortcommings on some of these issues. For me, there is nothing scarrier in the world than being confused for a fanatic, or any of those of a conservative religious nature.
Thanks,
Jay
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