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Posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2004, at 20:17:22
In reply to American's spoke yesterday, posted by Zena on November 3, 2004, at 19:30:05
Perhaps you are thinking of moral issues such as being pro-life.
I just wanted to post my definition of pro-life, which I view as a moral issue as well. I suspect we are not on the same page, however.
I believe in the availabililty of quality health care for all. Surely that is pro-life sustaining? (and incidentally, does this mean I am okay with increased taxes? Yes, because I can afford it if it can help others have a decent life and the same access that I currently enjoy.)
I believe in quality education and access to college for all who want to go and can benefit from it. Surely that is pro-quality of life?I believe in preserving our environment to ensure the life-sustaining clean air for our children to breathe. Surely that is pro-life?
I believe in raising the minimum wage to one that is above the poverty level. Surely that is pro-life support?
I believe in no deficit spending in order to insure social security and other forms of retirement income exist for our children and grandchildren. Surely that is pro-quality of life? For some even life-sustaining.
I believe in equal rights for all people of all races, gender, religion, point of view, sexual orientation, sports team fans, and so on. Surely that is pro-life of all kinds.
All of these intiatives and values are morally correct according to my own moral code. They are all in line with contributing to or maintaining quality of life. Surely those of us in the richest country in the world, with as much freedom as we have, can agree that these pro-life values are vital and work towards achieving them?
Regards,
gg
Posted by yoshimi on November 3, 2004, at 20:20:28
In reply to Re: American's spoke yesterday » Zena, posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2004, at 20:17:22
Oh how i wish i could be so eloquent. I'm beyond
upset right now. Thank Jesus for my Klonopin which I can take to weather through the storm brewing here and hopefully he will come and take us to the promised land soon before Satan comes and raises our taxes.
Posted by yoshimi on November 3, 2004, at 20:21:53
In reply to Thanks Yoshimi, Fayeroe, posted by Gabbix2 on November 3, 2004, at 19:53:25
you are welcome.
although Im sure you will get your speech back soon. You have so much to say!Yoshimi
Posted by fayeroe on November 3, 2004, at 20:27:50
In reply to Re: Thanks Yoshimi, Fayeroe » Gabbix2, posted by yoshimi on November 3, 2004, at 20:21:53
Telling me to "get over it" feels incredibly insensitive and uncaring. And this is from someone who supports the "moral" president?
I put hours and hours and hours in, working for the candidate of my choice, because I have the freedom to do that. Just as Zena had the freedom to vote for whom she chose. I don't fault Zena for voting for Bush, but I am appalled at her message. Pat
Posted by fayeroe on November 3, 2004, at 20:31:52
In reply to P.S Zena, posted by Gabbix2 on November 3, 2004, at 19:57:49
I have a son-in-law who is the father of a darling baby girl and I will never, ever accept the fact that he might be killed fighting a senseless war that is putting money in the coffer of Bush's rich friends.....Never!! It is an immoral war and totally without merit. And I'll bet you my dog that the "moral" president will invade Iran and perhaps Syria within 12 months.
Posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2004, at 20:48:32
In reply to GG wins the prize » gardenergirl, posted by yoshimi on November 3, 2004, at 20:20:28
Posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2004, at 20:51:32
In reply to Re: P.S Zena » Gabbix2, posted by fayeroe on November 3, 2004, at 20:31:52
> I have a son-in-law who is the father of a darling baby girl and I will never, ever accept the fact that he might be killed fighting a senseless war that is putting money in the coffer of Bush's rich friends.....
I pray all of our sons, brothers, husbands, fathers, cousins, friends, lovers, and humans can live in safety and security. And that none are subjected to doing their duty due to questionable inferences and without appropriate resources.
I pray.
gg
Posted by fayeroe on November 3, 2004, at 20:54:13
In reply to Re: P.S Zena » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2004, at 20:51:32
Thank you, dear.....Thank you.
Posted by Toph on November 3, 2004, at 22:01:05
In reply to American's spoke yesterday, posted by Zena on November 3, 2004, at 19:30:05
Zena, America spoke yesterday and it came out loud and clear how polarized this country is about the two oilmen who led this country into war for oil. As far as morals go, it's a little known fact that Laura Bush killed a classmate when she drove through a stop sign and didn't so mush as get a ticket in her oil rich town. After 6 years and $50 million dollars republicans couldn't find any wrongdoing until they stumbled upon some private dirt on Clinton. Democrats knew about Laura and chose the high road not to make this an issue with the American people. I'll take Democratic morality and compassion any day.
Posted by fayeroe on November 3, 2004, at 22:02:43
In reply to Re: American's spoke yesterday, posted by Toph on November 3, 2004, at 22:01:05
Fairy dust surrounds you!! Thanks, Toph!
Posted by mair on November 3, 2004, at 22:30:47
In reply to American's spoke yesterday, posted by Zena on November 3, 2004, at 19:30:05
Bush wears his Christianity on his sleeve and talks as if his war is a holy into it and assumes it somehow makes him more "moral." Please consider that much of the rest of the world considers him to be a war criminal. Ask the tens of thousands of innocent maimed and killed Iraqi men women and children about Bush's sense of morality, and explain to them why they had to suffer because 9 or 10 arabs who had no known connection Iraq or to Saddam decided to blow up the world trade center. Does the Biblical eye for an eye mean we can injure or kill tens of thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis to avenge the 3000 killed on 9/11?
And how does the "moral" right justify the layers and layers of lies and influence peddling that have been the hallmark of this administration. And we haven't even begun to talk about the massive human rights violations against people held for months without access to counsel and without any charges being leveled against them?
Do you realize that for all of our bluster, and the massive resources of our government, we haven't successfully prosecuted a single "terrorist" of any import?
Bush has managed to make the US look as noble as any number of 2 bit repressive banana republics, but I guess that's supposed to be ok because he has God on his side.
Posted by fayeroe on November 3, 2004, at 22:40:11
In reply to Re: American's spoke yesterday » Zena, posted by mair on November 3, 2004, at 22:30:47
mair, my family voted for him because of God being on his side. i pray that my parents adopted me!
Posted by yoshimi on November 3, 2004, at 23:32:37
In reply to Re: American's spoke yesterday » mair, posted by fayeroe on November 3, 2004, at 22:40:11
Warning************there are triggers at this site
for some people. It is a truth that must come out though, so if you feel up for it, help spread the word. but please take care.
Posted by shortelise on November 4, 2004, at 1:32:15
In reply to Re: American's spoke yesterday » Zena, posted by gardenergirl on November 3, 2004, at 20:17:22
I disagree with the term "pro-life". I prefer "anti-choice". To my mind, it describes it better.
ShortE
Posted by shortelise on November 4, 2004, at 1:34:42
In reply to Anti-choice, posted by shortelise on November 4, 2004, at 1:32:15
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 4, 2004, at 4:59:54
In reply to Anti-choice, posted by shortelise on November 4, 2004, at 1:32:15
> You democrates might as well get over it.
>
> Zena> It is an immoral war and totally without merit.
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> fayeroe> the two oilmen who led this country into war for oil.
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> Toph> much of the rest of the world considers him to be a war criminal.
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> mair> I disagree with the term "pro-life". I prefer "anti-choice".
>
> ShortEPlease respect the views of others and be sensitive to their feelings.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Toph on November 4, 2004, at 8:54:11
In reply to Re: please be civil » Zena » fayeroe » Toph » mair » shortelise, posted by Dr. Bob on November 4, 2004, at 4:59:54
Posted by fayeroe on November 4, 2004, at 9:18:26
In reply to Re: please be civil » Zena » fayeroe » Toph » mair » shortelise, posted by Dr. Bob on November 4, 2004, at 4:59:54
There's so much to read. Did Zena get a PBC for "get over it"?.....that's what started the brawl. I had 35 messages in my mailbox and simply can't get through all of them before work.......just curious if Z got one also?
Posted by fayeroe on November 4, 2004, at 9:19:33
In reply to Re: please be civil » Zena » fayeroe » Toph » mair » shortelise, posted by Dr. Bob on November 4, 2004, at 4:59:54
Never mind, my new trifocals didn't read the subject line correctly....ehhhhhhhhhh. SORRY!!!!! Pat
Posted by jay on November 4, 2004, at 14:01:11
In reply to American's spoke yesterday, posted by Zena on November 3, 2004, at 19:30:05
A country with the best healthcare system in the world, and you don't have to be a millionaire to run for office. That is why we are constantly rated near the top, if not on it, by the United Nations as the best country in the world to live in. I feel very, very sorry for many of my American friends who didn't vote for the ultra-right, neo-fascist Republicans. There is lots of room up here in Canada...you'd be very welcome to come and stay!
Posted by mair on November 4, 2004, at 15:08:56
In reply to That's why I live in Canada.. » Zena, posted by jay on November 4, 2004, at 14:01:11
I actually suggested to my husband yesterday that a move to Canada was worth considering and the reply he gave me was totally sarcastic - he really hates winter, and we already live in a place where winter seems to go on for ever.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 4, 2004, at 15:40:16
In reply to Re: That's why I live in Canada.. » jay, posted by mair on November 4, 2004, at 15:08:56
> I actually suggested to my husband yesterday that a move to Canada was worth considering and the reply he gave me was totally sarcastic - he really hates winter, and we already live in a place where winter seems to go on for ever.
Yes, but do you have curling?
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 4, 2004, at 15:54:14
In reply to That's why I live in Canada.. » Zena, posted by jay on November 4, 2004, at 14:01:11
Posted by partlycloudy on November 4, 2004, at 16:02:32
In reply to Re: That's why I live in Canada.. » mair, posted by Larry Hoover on November 4, 2004, at 15:40:16
> Yes, but do you have curling?
>My husband thought I was joking when I first described it to him!
pc
Posted by AuntieMel on November 4, 2004, at 16:44:00
In reply to Re: American's spoke yesterday, posted by Toph on November 3, 2004, at 22:01:05
Hey Toph.
I'm trying to state this in a way that won't get a pbc - and yet everytime I try it sounds like I'm sending you an admonishment, which isn't what I mean. Ok, here goes.
There are many, many of us in the oil biz that are hard working upstanding citizens. It just seems that everytime oil hits the news it's something negative and folks have built been prone to lump all the "oil business" together.
Unfortunately, other businesses get the sympathy news. Steel mill shut down, 5000 out of work and everyone can (rightly) feel for these workers. But if the oil biz is hurting (low prices) and people get laid off nobody cares, it's just a good thing that gas is cheap.
Since the early eighties hundreds of thousands of jobs have been lost, most never to come back. From 2000 to 2002 our department alone was hit with at least 6 rounds of layoffs and I saw some very good people get the axe.
I guess what I'm getting at is don't judge all the books by a few covers. We're not all bad.
(posted to you, but directed at the world.)
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