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Posted by kara lynne on April 8, 2003, at 13:19:48
In reply to Taking a break., posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 7:52:39
Hi Dinah,
Sorry if I added to things for you over on admin. I really hadn't read all the posts and was just responding to one detail--I shouldn't have gotten in the soup! Anyway, I like you. I hope you're feeling better.
Posted by Tabitha on April 8, 2003, at 13:58:02
In reply to Taking a break., posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 7:52:39
rest up, dear. Feel free to email anytime. I'll miss you.
Posted by jane d on April 8, 2003, at 14:14:16
In reply to Taking a break., posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 7:52:39
> Until I've calmed down or until the board archives.
>
> To all of you who have outside contact with me, don't worry. I have no willpower whatsoever, so I'll probably have to unhook the power cord and give it to my husband. I'm not sure how often he'll give it back. :D
>
> DinahFind a way to let us know if you need a new power cord. Passenger pigeon? We'll take up a collection and get it back to you by return bird. But only after the board has archived of course.
Jane
Posted by noa on April 8, 2003, at 19:54:57
In reply to Re: Taking a break., posted by jane d on April 8, 2003, at 14:14:16
Dinah, I hope it is restorative. I'll look forward to your return.
Posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 20:31:02
In reply to Re: Taking a break./ Dinah, posted by kara lynne on April 8, 2003, at 13:19:48
I want you to know that you had nothing at all to do with my decision. (My husband let me borrow the cord for a minute). If I used your post I apologize, and if I did, it was only because it was the last post on the thread.
I'm mad at Dr. Bob, no other reason.
Posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 21:29:56
In reply to Re: I'm so very sorry » kara lynne, posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 20:31:02
And this time I'll tell my husband I gave him my power cord.
Posted by Phil on April 8, 2003, at 22:34:19
In reply to Re: I'm back to exile, posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 21:29:56
Come on back, tell some jokes. We have to be more like lawyers; argue in court and go play racketball together. Except we were born with a conscience. : )
Hopefully lawyer jokes are okay..I hope.
Posted by kara lynne on April 9, 2003, at 0:01:22
In reply to Re: I'm so very sorry » kara lynne, posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 20:31:02
Thanks Dinah, that means a lot. The other response I got (not your's) was eating at me all day today (sign of a healthy ego, eh?). I didn't think I quite deserved the tone it was delivered in. Anyway, I do hope you're feeling better and I'm sorry for all the bad feelings going on around here. Thank you for writing me.
Posted by Tabitha on April 9, 2003, at 3:49:59
In reply to Re: Taking a break. » Dinah, posted by Tabitha on April 8, 2003, at 13:58:02
I'm not sure whether saying more would help or just stir you up. You took on several doomed battles on Admin. Way above and beyond the call of duty. You were Dinah the Viking. Please try to feel good about your effort and ignore the non-stellar outcomes. Feeling let down by Bob must be nearly unbearable-- you've been his most vocal supporter and seem to admire him so much.
I'll send you telepathic good wishes, that this might become another growth experience.. eventually.
Posted by OddipusRex on April 9, 2003, at 6:15:32
In reply to Taking a break., posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 7:52:39
Posted by Dinah on April 9, 2003, at 18:35:00
In reply to (((((dinah))))))) sorry all this happened.. (nm) » Dinah, posted by OddipusRex on April 9, 2003, at 6:15:32
Posted by Dinah on April 9, 2003, at 18:41:32
In reply to Re: P.S. Dinah, posted by Tabitha on April 9, 2003, at 3:49:59
I usually think of myself as a tilter at windmills, but I like Dinah the Viking better. Sounds more impressive, rather than just eccentric. Fortunately, I don't think a battle is worth fighting only if it's won. And I still think Dr. Bob's a great guy, just really really hard to get through to sometimes. But he's improving. This time at least he wasn't maddeningly elusive.
I'm not sure if this will be a growth experience, but it's been a learning experience. I'm not as stable as I had hoped. :(
But my therapist congratulated me heartily on the hard work we did in therapy today (I'm not quite sure what he was referring to, falling apart seemed easy) so perhaps some good will come of it.
Posted by sienna on April 9, 2003, at 19:32:22
In reply to (((((dinah))))))) sorry all this happened.. (nm) » Dinah, posted by OddipusRex on April 9, 2003, at 6:15:32
You're amazing dont let anybuddyy tell you different.
love
sienna
Posted by Dinah on April 9, 2003, at 23:03:15
In reply to (((((Dinah))))))), posted by sienna on April 9, 2003, at 19:32:22
Posted by Tabitha on April 10, 2003, at 4:41:09
In reply to Re: P.S. Dinah » Tabitha, posted by Dinah on April 9, 2003, at 18:41:32
you did mention pigtails right? I had a vision of you, blond pigtails flying, wearing one of those metal breastplates with the cones (tasteful of course) and some staff or sword thing in your hand.. maybe your 'statuesque and beautiful' post went into it somehow too.
Posted by judy1 on April 10, 2003, at 17:59:02
In reply to Re: P.S. Dinah » Tabitha, posted by Dinah on April 9, 2003, at 18:41:32
"But my therapist congratulated me heartily on the hard work we did in therapy today (I'm not quite sure what he was referring to, falling apart seemed easy) so perhaps some good will come of it."
isn't that strange- my therp always says that when i break down too. maybe they think we're being really open? if you figure it out, let me know. hope you're feeling better-judy
Posted by noa on April 10, 2003, at 18:38:55
In reply to Re: P.S. Dinah » Dinah, posted by judy1 on April 10, 2003, at 17:59:02
Maybe because you took a real risk?
Posted by Dinah on April 10, 2003, at 21:14:49
In reply to Re: P.S. Dinah » Dinah, posted by judy1 on April 10, 2003, at 17:59:02
Posted by Dinah on April 11, 2003, at 12:44:44
In reply to Re: I'll ask :) (nm) » judy1, posted by Dinah on April 10, 2003, at 21:14:49
There was the courage to be open stuff. But apparently my blitherings opened a rich new vein of material for him to explore. He dug right in today. I have a headache.
Posted by ~Alii~ on April 11, 2003, at 14:15:18
In reply to Re: I'll asked :), posted by Dinah on April 11, 2003, at 12:44:44
> There was the courage to be open stuff. But apparently my blitherings opened a rich new vein of material for him to explore. He dug right in today. I have a headache.
Sorry you're going through such a rough time DM. Please know yer in my thoughts. Keep the important things important (your hubby and son) and the rest somehow always does work out.Kindly,
alii
Posted by Dinah on April 11, 2003, at 20:48:54
In reply to for headache see jane d post below..... » Dinah, posted by ~Alii~ on April 11, 2003, at 14:15:18
Thanks Alii. I do try.
I'll have to try the remedy you shared with Jane. I'm taking way too much Excedrin lately, and that alone is probably causing some of the headaches.
I'm going to go read Dr. Seuss in a few minutes. That always reminds me of the important things in life.
Posted by IsoM on April 11, 2003, at 22:00:50
In reply to Re: for headache see jane d post below..... » ~Alii~, posted by Dinah on April 11, 2003, at 20:48:54
Dinah, sometimes I've gotten into a vicious circle with headaches & painkillers. I really try not to use them too often or take too many, but I have very stubborn headaches. If it's a really bad one, it won't leave unless I give it a triple whammy - 3 pills totalling 1000 mg acetominephen (with added codeine), 3 pills of 200 mg ibuprofen, & 2 50 mg Gravol. My doctor knows about my cocktail but nothing else will make it go away & even then, it will stay come right back after the med effects fade.
When that happens, I know that taking more pills won't help - I've tried so many things over the years. It'll ease the pain a bit but will continue to come back. At those times, I find that the tense, *rock* hard muscles won't loosen up & that, more than anything else, is now causing my pain to stay.
Alii mentioned cold on the forehead & heat on the back of the neck. For me, any cold will seize my muscles up, so I use warmth over my eyes & forehead (as the muscles hurt there too - I scrunch my eyes tight & frown from the pain) & put a hot water bottle under my neck & the back of my head like a pillow. I take 2 Gravol & a good shot of whiskey (or any other hard liquor) & go to bed. It works best at night as I can sleep the whole night then. When I wake up, the pain & tension is gone. It sedates me enough for my body to go limp & totally relax. Nothing else works. I keep some hard liquor as medicine just for that as I dislike the taste of it. Also nice is having pleasant music to drift off to sleep when I do this.
I'm not saying this will help, but knowing what others do can help you fine-tune to fit your own self. Hope something helps you. Pain is such a downer - it really saps one.
Years ago when I read James Harriot's books about his vet days in northern England, he wrote about a sheep he was supposed to put down. He'd been called to a farmer's place to help with some lambing. As he was leaving, he saw a ewe in one pen, shaking & with her head hanging. He asked the farmer about her but was told she wasn't worth it. She'd had a very difficult lambing & the farmer didn't expect her to make it through the night. As the farmer left ahead, James paused, & in pity, drew out a syringe with enough sedative to end her misery (unknown to the farmer). As she sank into the hay, he felt he'd done some good.
But in a week when he was called back to the place, the farmer told him about the ewe. He said that it was the strangest thing as he expected her to be dead but found she was still breathing so left her. He said she slept for 2 or 3 days (I forget how much) & when she woke up, she was hungry & just fine. He never had any idea what James did. James thought that when an animal or human was in a great deal of pain, the body can't heal itself as the pain is so draining. He used that story as an example of how destructive pain can be & what we can do if it's eliminated.
Posted by Dinah on April 12, 2003, at 5:46:50
In reply to Excedrin headache » Dinah, posted by IsoM on April 11, 2003, at 22:00:50
I wonder sometimes how much my headaches are rebound headaches, and I'm just hurting things by taking the OTC pain relievers. I wanted to take biofeedback, but when I realized what their program entailed, I knew it would just frustrate me and anger them that I wouldn't be willing to do a fair bit of it. The nature of my job seems to require that I put in late nights sometimes, so if I keep my family time fairly stable, my sleep schedule will have to be erratic. And keeping my family time stable is important. And caffeine keeps me going when I'm depressed or when I have to put in long hours. So I don't really think I'm a biofeedback candidate, since it's a whole life change program.
They seem to come in groups though. The current group has already lasted a couple of weeks (I think - I'm lousy at time, and worse at keeping a journal or log), so they have to be ending soon.
Do you get the ones you wake up at, with the pain at the very very base of the skull? Even though those are some of the worst, with fully body sickness, I really suspect they have something to do with tensing while I'm asleep. I never get those during the day.
In the meantime, I've got an enlarged liver with elevated AST and ALT. They were trying to blame the depakote, but it preceded that. I kept trying to tell them it's probably the Excedrin. (Although my dad has the same thing only way worse, for no cause that they can pin down, so maybe not.)
Maybe if I can somehow get my worklife in order, I'll chance the biofeedback. I hate for docs to be mad at me for noncompliance, though.
Posted by noa on April 12, 2003, at 11:33:28
In reply to Re: Excedrin headache, posted by Dinah on April 12, 2003, at 5:46:50
I'm no headache expert.
But when I get the base-of-the-skull type headache, I know it is muscle tension for me. I carry a lot of tension in my upper back, shoulders and neck and sometimes it gets a bad headache going. Massages help. But what I really need is regular massage, like every week!
Caffeine rebound also sounds like it could exacerbate the problem.
Posted by judy1 on April 12, 2003, at 12:10:59
In reply to Re: Excedrin headache, posted by Dinah on April 12, 2003, at 5:46:50
basically all my headaches are 'stress' headaches- and no amount of OTC med will help. what does help is sub-ling xanax, usually within 10 minutes. is is possible that yours are on the same line? (i'm not referring to fever+ headaches- then ibuprophen really helps) take care, judy
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