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Posted by Ritch on August 9, 2002, at 13:27:09
I thought some might find this interesting.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/08/09/crow.betty/index.html
Posted by IsoM on August 9, 2002, at 14:36:49
In reply to Crows are evidently good at toolmaking, posted by Ritch on August 9, 2002, at 13:27:09
Nothing new, Mitch, it can take scientists a while to write something up that's been observed by ordinary people for many years. Ravens are much better - they can think circles around poor crows. Some of my neighbours think I'm crazy because I feed the crows. They've never chased the little birds from the feeders, so I don't mind. And I love their cockiness. Did you know crows hunch up their 'shoulders' like a bad vulture imitation & make soft gobbling noises to each other when they're courting? I love them.
Posted by kid_A on August 9, 2002, at 15:37:54
In reply to Re: Crows are evidently good at toolmaking, posted by IsoM on August 9, 2002, at 14:36:49
Posted by IsoM on August 9, 2002, at 16:59:03
In reply to ...and Crowns are good at saving your soul! (nm), posted by kid_A on August 9, 2002, at 15:37:54
Posted by Gabbi on August 9, 2002, at 19:08:50
In reply to Re: ...and Crowds are good for losing your soul! (nm) » kid_A, posted by IsoM on August 9, 2002, at 16:59:03
Posted by Ritch on August 10, 2002, at 0:05:52
In reply to Re: Crows are evidently good at toolmaking, posted by IsoM on August 9, 2002, at 14:36:49
> Nothing new, Mitch, it can take scientists a while to write something up that's been observed by ordinary people for many years. Ravens are much better - they can think circles around poor crows. Some of my neighbours think I'm crazy because I feed the crows. They've never chased the little birds from the feeders, so I don't mind. And I love their cockiness. Did you know crows hunch up their 'shoulders' like a bad vulture imitation & make soft gobbling noises to each other when they're courting? I love them.
My earliest memories of crows were when I was eight years old. There was a big 19th century church behind our house and there was a "crows' nest" up in one of the large trees surrounding it. I had just read some fiction in a 3rd grade class about crows collecting shiny objects to put in their nests. It makes me wonder about the poem "The Raven" by Poe. Crows are quite big, and I have *never* seen any cat stalk them-in fact, I think cats are afraid of them. There were a pair of some really large crows that were nesting in an oak tree in front of my house last autumn. I recall sitting in front of one of my windows watching TV, and the neighbor was mowing his lawn with a riding mower, and this crow flapped up right below my window and swooped up and landed on my roof. I was at the window looking up and so was the neighbor looking at the huge crow on my roof. Wasn't there a couple of cartoon characters who were crows?
Mitch
Posted by Bobby on August 10, 2002, at 0:13:47
In reply to Re: Crows are evidently good at toolmaking » IsoM, posted by Ritch on August 10, 2002, at 0:05:52
The cartoon about the two crows was called "Heckle and Jeckle." (sp-?) That makes me feel old. It must have been in the 60s .
Posted by IsoM on August 10, 2002, at 1:21:05
In reply to Re: Crows are evidently good at toolmaking » IsoM, posted by Ritch on August 10, 2002, at 0:05:52
Posted by Ron Hill on August 11, 2002, at 0:53:47
In reply to Re: Crows: Heckle and Jeckyl (nm) » Ritch, posted by IsoM on August 10, 2002, at 1:21:05
Posted by Gabbi on August 11, 2002, at 16:02:37
In reply to Crows are evidently good at toolmaking, posted by Ritch on August 9, 2002, at 13:27:09
I saw so many letters from your post, I didn't read the original, that was really interesting thanks. I saw a show On the learning channel that shows that Parrots can actually do more than "Parrot", but actually if taught, can know what they are talking about and identify things. I wish I could describe the tests they did, but it would take forever.
I'll just say that it covered all the angles from a doubters perspective and it did prove that the Parrots weren't just mimicking. Its fascinating, but disturbing considering the way many animals are treated.
Posted by Ritch on August 11, 2002, at 20:22:28
In reply to Re: Crows are evidently good at toolmaking Ritch, posted by Gabbi on August 11, 2002, at 16:02:37
> I saw so many letters from your post, I didn't read the original, that was really interesting thanks. I saw a show On the learning channel that shows that Parrots can actually do more than "Parrot", but actually if taught, can know what they are talking about and identify things. I wish I could describe the tests they did, but it would take forever.
> I'll just say that it covered all the angles from a doubters perspective and it did prove that the Parrots weren't just mimicking. Its fascinating, but disturbing considering the way many animals are treated.
>
>Gabbi,
I was first fascinated with the story of Coco the guerilla. The one thing that sticks in my memory is the "signing" of "candy drink" for watermelon. The psychologist had taught Coco the signing for "candy" and "drink", but Coco synthesized the two concepts together in an improvisational way that made it interesting and humorous when Coco tried watermelon for the first time. One thing that interests me is how the "myth" of a bird getting caught in your house is supposed to be a superstition of a close relative who is soon to die. Does anybody know how that came about? Perhaps animals and religion transmit their truth through myths?
Mitch
Posted by Gabbi on August 11, 2002, at 22:29:52
In reply to Re: Crows are evidently good at toolmaking Ritch » Gabbi, posted by Ritch on August 11, 2002, at 20:22:28
I saw that show on Coco too, I was also charmed at how she asked for a pet kitten, and named it "All Ball" I would love to add to the topic of Animals and myth, but my muddled brain is having a hard time making anything concise and I'd go on forever.
I do want to add a story, which I Swear is not an Urban Myth. As a matter of fact the former police officer who told the story, later said he'd regretted telling it because he was plagued by interviewers from all over the world.
It happened last April, in Vancouver B.C.
The man, I think his name was Victor Davidson I can't remember it off hand, (I saved the newspaper clipping somewhere) was walking down Barclay St. which is near Stanley Park its fairly common to see Ducks walking down that Street.
Anyway, a Duck came up to him and tugged on his pant leg, then walked about 20 ft away from him.
He ignored the first tug, but the duck did this 3 times so finally he followed it. It was a mother duck and she led him to a sewer grate. He looked down and saw that her ducklings which must have been following her had slipped through the grating.
Being a sensitive guy, he called Busters towing company, and they arrived and removed the grating and rescued the ducklings with a strainer. As soon as they were rescued they reunited with their mother and waddled off. Hmmmmm?
Posted by IsoM on August 12, 2002, at 2:00:35
In reply to Re: Crows are evidently good at toolmaking » Ritch, posted by Gabbi on August 11, 2002, at 22:29:52
Posted by Gabbi on August 12, 2002, at 14:09:20
In reply to True Story - I live near Vancouver (nm) » Gabbi, posted by IsoM on August 12, 2002, at 2:00:35
Not that you asked, but I just detest those I have a friend who said her brother in law said that his Mom... you know those legends that won't die. With my medicated memory all my stories sound that way. So its a personal thing, and I just really appreciated your back up..
Posted by Ritch on August 12, 2002, at 23:11:07
In reply to Re: Crows are evidently good at toolmaking » Ritch, posted by Gabbi on August 11, 2002, at 22:29:52
> I saw that show on Coco too, I was also charmed at how she asked for a pet kitten, and named it "All Ball" I would love to add to the topic of Animals and myth, but my muddled brain is having a hard time making anything concise and I'd go on forever.
>
> I do want to add a story, which I Swear is not an Urban Myth. As a matter of fact the former police officer who told the story, later said he'd regretted telling it because he was plagued by interviewers from all over the world.
>
> It happened last April, in Vancouver B.C.
>
> The man, I think his name was Victor Davidson I can't remember it off hand, (I saved the newspaper clipping somewhere) was walking down Barclay St. which is near Stanley Park its fairly common to see Ducks walking down that Street.
>
> Anyway, a Duck came up to him and tugged on his pant leg, then walked about 20 ft away from him.
> He ignored the first tug, but the duck did this 3 times so finally he followed it. It was a mother duck and she led him to a sewer grate. He looked down and saw that her ducklings which must have been following her had slipped through the grating.
> Being a sensitive guy, he called Busters towing company, and they arrived and removed the grating and rescued the ducklings with a strainer. As soon as they were rescued they reunited with their mother and waddled off. Hmmmmm?
For some reason, I am remembering an interview on NPR with Studs Terkel about his latest book (I will have to look up the title). He had interviewed a bunch of cops and firemen. Anyhow, the beginning of the book is a story about a fireman who saves someone from commiting suicide from atop the World Trade Center a few years ago.will have to check that one out..
Mitch
Posted by Cam W. on August 15, 2002, at 9:55:17
In reply to Crows are evidently good at toolmaking, posted by Ritch on August 9, 2002, at 13:27:09
The tool-making crow was female. The thing that I found funny about the story was that a male crow did try to use the wire to get food (perhaps learned from the female), but didn't bend the wire like the female; so couldn't retrieve the food. The male then just stole the food from the female once she retrieved it from the tube. Typical, huh? - Cam
Posted by Ritch on August 15, 2002, at 13:33:49
In reply to Re: Crows are evidently good at toolmaking » Ritch, posted by Cam W. on August 15, 2002, at 9:55:17
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