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Posted by jay on April 7, 2002, at 20:30:46
This is always the hardest and weirdest part...what to say. Want to be supportive, but...oh heck I dunno.
Posted by Phil on April 7, 2002, at 20:45:43
In reply to Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay?, posted by jay on April 7, 2002, at 20:30:46
jay, makes sense to me. I never know what to say.
But we'll probably be saying a lot of things over the next several days.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 7, 2002, at 21:14:06
In reply to Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay?, posted by jay on April 7, 2002, at 20:30:46
Friends;
I want to tell you what I know about death. You can stop here if you do not want to hear from me about this subject. But many readers know that I had an experiance that no one believes . This experiance led me to know the truth and to know the truth about death. Now I am not pressuring anyone to read the following. And I do not expect that you even believe what I am going to tell you. But if you are interested, then take this opportunity to hear from one of your own. I experianced what I an about to tell you. It was not a hallucination. It was an apokalupsis. I have found others that have also experianced an apokalupsis. I will tell what I found out about death on the next posts below and if this is something that you object to, then you can not click on it.
Lou
Posted by kazoo on April 8, 2002, at 0:41:39
In reply to Re: Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay? » jay, posted by Lou Pilder on April 7, 2002, at 21:14:06
> I want to tell you what I know about death.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Dear Lou:
What does this word mean: "apokalupsis"?
Do you mean:
1. apocalypse
2. apocalyptic
3. apocalypticalAnd does anybody *really* want to know about death and the afterlife "according to Lou"?
Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death. Live a little, because when you die it's for a very long time.
Peace to you,
kazoo
Posted by trouble on April 8, 2002, at 4:02:19
In reply to Re: Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay? » Lou Pilder, posted by kazoo on April 8, 2002, at 0:41:39
> > I want to tell you what I know about death.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Dear Lou:
>
> What does this word mean: "apokalupsis"?
>
> Do you mean:
> 1. apocalypse
> 2. apocalyptic
> 3. apocalyptical
>
> And does anybody *really* want to know about death and the afterlife "according to Lou"?
>
> Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death. Live a little, because when you die it's for a very long time.
>
> Peace to you,
>
> kazooDear Kazoo,
Lou has a neurological disorder like dyslexia, it causes his spelling problems, but he's damn smart and communicates as well as anybody else.
I don't see how we can know whether we're interested in his thoughts on death until we hear what they are, even then, if it does nothing more than to help him to cope then why not? We know what happens to people when they lose their coping tools.
You are gentle, and I hope this didn't come off as confrontational, it feels like eggshell territory around here right now, and brings out the codependent in me.
with respect,
trouble
Posted by Zo on April 8, 2002, at 4:59:04
In reply to Re: Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay? » Lou Pilder, posted by kazoo on April 8, 2002, at 0:41:39
Dear Kazoo,
You are young? It's different, the death thing, after 50. Let people have their way. No, show more compassion *before* you speak. Okay?
Thanks,
Zo
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 7:00:28
In reply to Re: Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay? » Lou Pilder, posted by kazoo on April 8, 2002, at 0:41:39
Kazoo;
An apokalupsis is an experiance of a "revealing". You may have had such an experiance. The revealing that I had was what I have been describingin my experiance called "The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life."
You may have read some of that experiance that I had. It was revealed to me . That is an apokalupsis.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 7:10:01
In reply to Re: Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay? » kazoo, posted by trouble on April 8, 2002, at 4:02:19
Trouble;
You are very insightfull and I appreciate your obsevation of my neurological disorder. You are correct about my spelling. It is caused by a very rare neurological disorder ,but not dylexia, but worse actually. I can write a paragraph and have it come out with many spelling and grammer errors. This is caused by a condition similar to what Ludwig von Beethoven had. I associate evrything with music and actually hear music 24/7. The music changes at any sugggestion and thn I loose concentration and as a result, words chang ,spelling changes, etc. It is called Musical Hallucinations and there are about 60 cases now in the recorded history of medicine of which 6 are alive today that I know of.
Siccerely,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 7:15:15
In reply to Re: Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay? » Lou Pilder, posted by kazoo on April 8, 2002, at 0:41:39
Kazoo and friends;
Kazoo asks if anyone really wants to hear what I exprianced about death. I am going to wait to see if anyone really wantsme to continue. If I do not receive any posts asking me to cntinue, then I will stop.
Thak you all,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 7:55:07
In reply to Re: Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay? » Lou Pilder, posted by kazoo on April 8, 2002, at 0:41:39
Kazoo;
In your statement that life is a feast and we should not starve and death is for a long time deserves my answer.
I had a revealingbout the afterlife. And there is a bankquet. It is a wedding feast. It i when God "marries" those that love him. This happens in the future and it was revealed to me in the Apokalupsis that I had.
It was revealed to me that there is life everlasting, eternal life, infinite life for those that love God. Death, thearfor, is very short. In fact, it doesn't even happpen at all to those that love God. For I was told in the City of Peace when I met the Rider that wore many crowns,
"Do not be afraid, I am te First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. And I have the keys of Hell and Death."
Lou
Posted by LiLi80 on April 8, 2002, at 7:56:41
In reply to Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay?, posted by jay on April 7, 2002, at 20:30:46
I hope death is nothingness. I don't expect an afterlife at all. I just want the pain to stop. I truly beleieve that it will when I die. If I kill myself, I don't think I will go to purgatory like my friends say. I think that whatever one believes in is true. I don't believe in purgatory then I can't go to it. I don't believe in hell so I can't go there. I hope there is a heaven, but who knows. I believe in souls, but I hope mine gets lost somewhere. Life is what you make of it. Death should be the same way. I believe in God. I don't think He/She would make me suffer this life if I hate it. That is why we have free will. And if one hates death, then we can be re-born. Its a cycle. Its what you believe that is true. I make my own reality. This probably makes no sense whatsoever. Its just me rambling like an idiot. Please don't contradict what I have said. If you have a different opinion, then that it is true for you and you alone. You can't force your own reality on another. But you can make them feel lost and without one if they don't like yours. I don't mind comments, but please don't be mean and rid me of what I call my reality.
lili
Posted by beardedlady on April 8, 2002, at 8:38:23
In reply to My opinion about death, posted by LiLi80 on April 8, 2002, at 7:56:41
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 8:49:51
In reply to My opinion about death, posted by LiLi80 on April 8, 2002, at 7:56:41
LiLi 80;
Could you clarify to me what you mean by;
You can't force your own reality on another. But you can make them feel lost and without one if they don't like yours.
You can email me your answer or post it or ignore my request if you like.
I do not believe that your statement is civil because it appears to me that your above statement means that if I post my experiance, then you will feel lost and "without one". Thearfor, I "feel" that you are "putting guilt" upon me for expressing my beliefs for if I post my beliefs, then you will be "without one". I am going to ask Dr. Bob to make a determination of your post as to the "civility" of it. I believe that your post is a threat to me to not post what I want to , for if I do, then you will be "without one", becaus you may not "like" mine, and threats are not civil.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 9:08:06
In reply to My opinion about death, posted by LiLi80 on April 8, 2002, at 7:56:41
LiLI 80;
Could you clarify what you mean by
--please don't be mean and rid me of my reality.
It appears to me that you are saying that if I state my experiance, then I will be "mean".
I am going to ask Dr. Bob to make a dtermination as to the "civility" of your statement.
For ,I believe, you violate the "accusitive" rule that Dr. Bob has established here. It appears to me that you are accusing me of being "mean" if I state my experiance.
Now I have told the people on this board since I have been here that I wanted to be treated equally.And I have championed the rights of people to be able to expres themselves. An I beleieve that I hav the right to say what I have experianced without being acccused of being "mean".And I believe that Dr. Bob should admonish you, at least, for what I consider a breach of the cvlity rules on this board by you, for others hve been admonished for statements that could be construd as an accusation. I am going to ask him to make that determination and you can answer my request for clarificaton or you can email me or you can ignor my request.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 9:17:36
In reply to Right on, Sister! (nm) » LiLi80, posted by beardedlady on April 8, 2002, at 8:38:23
Beadedlady;
Could you verify that since you said,---right on sis to LiLi80 that you condoned evrything that she said, or partially what she said? If only partially, then would you tell me what part that you agree with her?
I am going to ask Dr. Bob to sanction you for I beleive that your post violates the rules for civility here just as LiLi 80's post does and you , as it appears to me, are just as guilty as her for her violations of the rules of civility for you are saying ---right on--, which,to me, means tht you are repeating evrything that she said, just as if you would have posted the exact same post. Now if I am wrong in my assunmption, then please post to me what you did mean by ---right on. It is a well -known fact that the phrase--right on-- means total agreement with.
Lou
Posted by IsoM on April 8, 2002, at 9:20:51
In reply to Lou's answer to Lili 80 (more) » LiLi80, posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 9:08:06
Lou, I keep out of these things - I figure it's not worth endless questions & debates. But please, for this period of time when people are grieving sar's death - just give it a rest for a while.
Stop the endless debates & 'what do you mean?' questions & let it go. Talk about it in a few weeks if you want. Post Dr. Bob civility questions about all these posts (including mine if you think it's being offensive) after an appropriate time period for people to just grieve. We're numb - no matter WHAT our beliefs are. And don't bother asking what I mean - it's pretty obvious - people need time to reflect for a while. I won't answer or post anything further on this.
I'm sure you're trying to help but be sensitive to others that are feeling very numb now.
Posted by Krazy Kat on April 8, 2002, at 9:28:32
In reply to Give It A Rest, Lou, posted by IsoM on April 8, 2002, at 9:20:51
this is how i felt after sept. 11th, that we needed a grieving time before bombasting our opinions on the site. of course, i was terrible about adhering to my own request as usual.
this is such a personal issue, it would be nice if we could focus on sar, and sar alone, for a little while.
- kk
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 10:14:17
In reply to Give It A Rest, Lou, posted by IsoM on April 8, 2002, at 9:20:51
ISO M;
I am going to ask Dr. Bob to sanction you and the others for your disregard for my rights on this board. I have the same rights as others to post and I am not going to stop posting. The board is not shut down to me and opened to others.
I beleieve that you are violating the rules for civility on this board when you tell me to "give it a rest". It is a well-known fact that the phrase,"give it a rest" is just another way to tell me to stop posting on this subject or , it could mean, any subject whether it be for an hour, or day or week. I will not be censored on this board in an unequall manner and others are posting here so I am also going to post. I do not believe that there is any board that would allow you to suggest another to stop posting and allow the others to post. If Dr. Bob wants to suspend the rules for civility, he can do so. But untill that happens, I have the right to post just as you do and he has to be the exempler and admonish all those that are in violation of the board's rules, equally.
I believe that you are violating the rule to
Please respect the views of others---don't put down others--do not overgeneralize.
People on this board have expressed that they do not know what happens after death.
I am telling you what I do know. And that is appropriate,to me, for the question is raised when someone says that they do not know.
Now I am not pressuring anyone to click on my posts. My real name is there and evryone knows that I have been on this board for the purpose of telling what I know, to me, to be the truth. And I have evry right to do so and I will continue to post. Now I have asked Dr. Bob to suspend the rules recently so that others could expreess themselves and he could not. I believe that if Dr. Bob does suspend the rules, then he should welcome back all of those that are under a block if he is going to allow the people that I think are violating the rules to go unadmonished and that he agrees with me that , indeed , you and others are violating the rules.
Lou
Posted by LiLi80 on April 8, 2002, at 10:31:05
In reply to Lou's answer to Lili 80 (more) » LiLi80, posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 9:08:06
When i said please dont be mean I meant that i didn't want people to judge my opinion and try to breakdown my beliefs with their own beliefs. Many people I know (mainly family) argue that I am just wrong and what they believe is the truth, I just didn't want a whole bunch of posts making me feel worthless by ripping apart my beliefs. Does this make sense? Personally I wish you would not accuse everyone of being uncivil, and threaten that we might be blocked. Its up to Dr. Bob and what he considers uncivil. If you are mad at Dr. Bob for blocking you at one time then talk to him. Don't take it out on everyone on the board. If this is uncivil, so be it. Somebody has to tell you to stop being insensitive and mean. This board is supposed to be helpful and supportive, but I feel like you are trying to get people to argue with you. Ok I have decided to be uncivil, but its my first offense and hopefully Dr. Bob will only give me a warning. (Hi Bob :) Lou you are an asshole. At least you are lately. Stop asking questions about posts that are so clear to understand. Its obvious you just want to get people riled up. Maybe you are going through something in your life that is upsetting you or maybe this is just you. It just seems like you are going after people. I am tired of reading your posts and feeling like i dont want to be on this board anymore. Now this has not always been the case, but it has been lately. This is all i will say to you at this time. I don't want a fight, and I won't respond to any of your posts regarding this matter.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2002, at 10:57:07
In reply to Lou's answer to ISO M » IsoM, posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2002, at 10:14:17
> I am going to ask Dr. Bob to sanction you and the others for your disregard for my rights on this board. I have the same rights as others to post and I am not going to stop posting. The board is not shut down to me and opened to others.
It's important here to be sensitive to the feelings of others and not to post anything that they could take as accusatory. Your freedom of speech is limited here. The issue isn't rights, but support. I know this is the opposite of what you're asking, but I'm going to block you from posting again.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, or complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration, thanks.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2002, at 11:04:03
In reply to Re: Lou's answer to Lili 80 (more) » Lou Pilder, posted by LiLi80 on April 8, 2002, at 10:31:05
> Ok I have decided to be uncivil, but its my first offense and hopefully Dr. Bob will only give me a warning.
Ok this is your warning.
> I don't want a fight, and I won't respond to any of your posts regarding this matter.
It was a nice response you had going, too bad you didn't decide to stop a few sentences sooner...
Bob
Posted by fi on April 8, 2002, at 12:19:23
In reply to Handle suicide.can't really.don't know what tosay?, posted by jay on April 7, 2002, at 20:30:46
I dont think there is any 'right' thing to say.
Its difficult enough after other kinds of death (and I do know that people really do cross the street to avoid you just after a death, as they dont know what to say).
Its all very sad.
Fi
Posted by fi on April 8, 2002, at 12:21:52
In reply to My opinion about death, posted by LiLi80 on April 8, 2002, at 7:56:41
I think its essential we all respect other's views about what happens after death. Its just too fundamental.
Personally, I dont think anything happens at all- complete atheist.
Fi
Posted by trouble on April 8, 2002, at 13:07:47
In reply to Re: My opinion about death » LiLi80, posted by fi on April 8, 2002, at 12:21:52
Well I talked to a lady from church
right after I got the news and she was
very calm and matter of fact, this is
what she said to me:"I want you to know, Robin
that when we leave this place and go
into the next one we go into
open arms, I don't know where or who's
arms but there are open arms waiting
for all of us and that's where your
friend is right now...."she got no argument from me. for once.
trouble
Posted by Gracie2 on April 8, 2002, at 18:43:33
In reply to Re: My opinion about death, posted by trouble on April 8, 2002, at 13:07:47
I became interested in reading about life-after-death experiences after my brother was killed. From the books by authors Dr. Raymond Moody and people who have claimed to experience similar near-death revelations - including very small
children - I've become convinced that these experiences are real. In fact, after my overdose,
I awoke to feeling kind of disappointed that nothing "happened" to me while I was out, as I would have certainly died without medical intervention. However, because of prompt medical care, my heart did not stop - although I understand that there was some discussion of putting me on a respirator. Thank God this was not necessary.
I believe we were not meant to know too much about this afterlife because, if everyone was positive about entering paradise after death, suicide would become as common as tap water. It's wrong, and I am deeply shamed and regretful about what I did. We are all here for a reason, even if we lose sight of that reason. We have to keep on.
-Gracie
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