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Posted by JennyR on August 9, 2001, at 17:01:14
Look at that message from Dr. Bob above, to be aware that during his being away we won't receive the usual "outstanding level of support." I've just about had it with the holier than thou attitude of "professionals." You won't be getting my usual "outstanding" job. I thought he was different. They're all pompous.
Posted by Ted on August 9, 2001, at 17:28:49
In reply to Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by JennyR on August 9, 2001, at 17:01:14
Aaw, come on, Jenny. I think he was trying to be funny. Give him the benefit of doubt.
Ted
> Look at that message from Dr. Bob above, to be aware that during his being away we won't receive the usual "outstanding level of support." I've just about had it with the holier than thou attitude of "professionals." You won't be getting my usual "outstanding" job. I thought he was different. They're all pompous.
Posted by pennie lane on August 9, 2001, at 18:45:41
In reply to Re: Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by Ted on August 9, 2001, at 17:28:49
The title of his self-critique about this site is funny too ... "The *Best* of Both Worlds."
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/research.html
I wonder where he is? Maybe out standing in his field?
Whether he is right or wrong about his level of support, sometimes a preferred practice in dealing with delusional individuals is to treat them as if their world view makes sense, at least to them.
Since he is not here to defend himself or to extinguish flames, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and presume that he thinks he does an outstanding job. I'm sure he can find people to reinforce that view. Maybe the rest of you can treat Jen's opinion and mine at least as internally consistent, from our point of view, even though you might disagree.
(for the archival record, since the HTML page will obviously change, Dr. Hsuing left this message at the top of the page on or about Aug. 7:
Psycho-Babble on Autopilot
Hi, everyone. For the next week, I'm going to be offline -- and therefore not overseeing these boards like I usually do. During that time:Please treat this community with extra care.
Be aware that you may or may not receive the usual outstanding level of support.
If there are any uncivil posts, I'll deal with them when I'm back. If people let me know about them by email, I'll be able to zero in on them more quickly then. Thanks!)
> Aaw, come on, Jenny. I think he was trying to be funny. Give him the benefit of doubt.
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> Ted
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> > Look at that message from Dr. Bob above, to be aware that during his being away we won't receive the usual "outstanding level of support." I've just about had it with the holier than thou attitude of "professionals." You won't be getting my usual "outstanding" job. I thought he was different. They're all pompous.
Posted by kid_A on August 9, 2001, at 22:05:27
In reply to Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by JennyR on August 9, 2001, at 17:01:14
Hmmm... I think the job of a site administrator is to administrate... uhmm, yeah, Well, I think the comment didn't have much weight behind it and I don't think it should be taken too seriously... D.B. I think does his best to keep everything running smoothly here, so I think that is what the alusion was to... Anyhow, its nothing to get riled up about...My pdoc is pretty pompus, so I understand about the attitude, but he listens to what I have to say... but as for attitude, I dont quite think that fits here...
Posted by NikkiT2 on August 10, 2001, at 14:00:01
In reply to Re: Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by pennie lane on August 9, 2001, at 18:45:41
So, would you prefer that Dr Bob gives up and closes HIS site down?? he has the right to say / do anything he like son here, as it is HIS board.
Nikki
> The title of his self-critique about this site is funny too ... "The *Best* of Both Worlds."
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/research.html
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> I wonder where he is? Maybe out standing in his field?
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> Whether he is right or wrong about his level of support, sometimes a preferred practice in dealing with delusional individuals is to treat them as if their world view makes sense, at least to them.
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> Since he is not here to defend himself or to extinguish flames, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and presume that he thinks he does an outstanding job. I'm sure he can find people to reinforce that view. Maybe the rest of you can treat Jen's opinion and mine at least as internally consistent, from our point of view, even though you might disagree.
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> (for the archival record, since the HTML page will obviously change, Dr. Hsuing left this message at the top of the page on or about Aug. 7:
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> Psycho-Babble on Autopilot
> Hi, everyone. For the next week, I'm going to be offline -- and therefore not overseeing these boards like I usually do. During that time:
>
> Please treat this community with extra care.
> Be aware that you may or may not receive the usual outstanding level of support.
> If there are any uncivil posts, I'll deal with them when I'm back. If people let me know about them by email, I'll be able to zero in on them more quickly then. Thanks!)
>
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> > Aaw, come on, Jenny. I think he was trying to be funny. Give him the benefit of doubt.
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> > Ted
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> > > Look at that message from Dr. Bob above, to be aware that during his being away we won't receive the usual "outstanding level of support." I've just about had it with the holier than thou attitude of "professionals." You won't be getting my usual "outstanding" job. I thought he was different. They're all pompous.
Posted by afatchic on August 10, 2001, at 16:14:17
In reply to Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by JennyR on August 9, 2001, at 17:01:14
Dr. Bob is different. I'm grateful to him for supporting this site. I'm pleased that he's decided to take a break, he's earned it.
As for your being fed up with the holier than thou attitude and arrogance of doctors, me too! I've been working in the medical profession for many years and the egos can be maniacal. It sounds like you've had some bad experiences, I can relate. I was so insulted by a doctors remarks once, I went back to my office and cried for almost an hour. My supervisor held me while I cried, she encouraged me to put in a complaint against him. Surprisingly, he was reprimanded.
I don't think we can lump Dr. Bob in with the rest of the jerks out there.
afatdrbobfan
> Look at that message from Dr. Bob above, to be aware that during his being away we won't receive the usual "outstanding level of support." I've just about had it with the holier than thou attitude of "professionals." You won't be getting my usual "outstanding" job. I thought he was different. They're all pompous.
Posted by tina on August 10, 2001, at 21:14:59
In reply to Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by JennyR on August 9, 2001, at 17:01:14
I especially like the part that states "if there are any uncivil posts, email me about them and I can zero in on them specifically"
Sounds like tattle-taling to me. Jeez.> Look at that message from Dr. Bob above, to be aware that during his being away we won't receive the usual "outstanding level of support." I've just about had it with the holier than thou attitude of "professionals." You won't be getting my usual "outstanding" job. I thought he was different. They're all pompous.
Posted by kiddo on August 11, 2001, at 0:38:01
In reply to Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by JennyR on August 9, 2001, at 17:01:14
Hi all-
This is only my opinion, but I didn't really take it either of those ways. I was thinking that he meant, since he wasn't here, posts may slack off, and therefore the responses may not flow as they normally do.
I am still surprised that his note at the top has been interpreted so many ways. It's really weird to me because he'll probably come back and say something totally different than any of the posts.
Just talking out loud,
Kiddo
> Look at that message from Dr. Bob above, to be aware that during his being away we won't receive the usual "outstanding level of support." I've just about had it with the holier than thou attitude of "professionals." You won't be getting my usual "outstanding" job. I thought he was different. They're all pompous.
Posted by mgrueni on August 11, 2001, at 6:01:29
In reply to Re: Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by kiddo on August 11, 2001, at 0:38:01
< This is only my opinion, but I didn't really take it either of those ways. I was thinking that he meant, since he wasn't here, posts may slack off, and therefore the responses may not flow as they normally do.
I am still surprised that his note at the top has been interpreted so many ways. It's really weird to me because he'll probably come back and say something totally different than any of the posts. >I totally agree with you. And, if I may add something...
Dr.Bob might be a *professional*, but he`s also a human being, like all of us. As far as I remember he asked for some volunteers to have an eye on the boards, while he will be away (PB-Admin board). But no-one volunteered. So, what was he supposed to do? In my opinion, this has nothing to do with being *pompous* or letting down people. He`s just off-line for a while as he also has some obligations in *real* life. Again, like all of us.Take care all,
Micha
Posted by Wendy B. on August 11, 2001, at 8:14:36
In reply to Re: Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by tina on August 10, 2001, at 21:14:59
> I especially like the part that states "if there are any uncivil posts, email me about them and I can zero in on them specifically"
> Sounds like tattle-taling to me. Jeez.
Sorry, but if you've been reading the regular vanilla Babble Board, in the last couple of weeks, there have been some truly awful posts, with name-calling, and throwing out diagnoses as insults ("well, you're OCD, so of course you'd think..." blah blah, etc.) I mean, it was *worse* than that.So Dr Bob has the right to post whatever he wants on here. I'm surprised he hasn't really let into some people... If posters act like children while he's gone, he wants an alert, that's all. He has to keep the Boards safe for people to feel comfortable enough to post. If the atmosphere becomes so negative that babblers feel inhibited, the objective of the Board is nullified.
My 2 cents,
Wendy
Posted by Marie1 on August 11, 2001, at 8:39:37
In reply to Re: Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by kiddo on August 11, 2001, at 0:38:01
I think what Dr. Bob said above is typical of his sense of humor. He just didn't put a smiley face next to it as he usually does.
Marie
> Hi all-
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> This is only my opinion, but I didn't really take it either of those ways. I was thinking that he meant, since he wasn't here, posts may slack off, and therefore the responses may not flow as they normally do.
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> I am still surprised that his note at the top has been interpreted so many ways. It's really weird to me because he'll probably come back and say something totally different than any of the posts.
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> Just talking out loud,
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> Kiddo
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> > Look at that message from Dr. Bob above, to be aware that during his being away we won't receive the usual "outstanding level of support." I've just about had it with the holier than thou attitude of "professionals." You won't be getting my usual "outstanding" job. I thought he was different. They're all pompous.
Posted by JennyR on August 11, 2001, at 13:48:37
In reply to Re: Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by Marie1 on August 11, 2001, at 8:39:37
If you see my post above it this thread, I was quite upset with my own therapist, so then when I read him (Dr. Bob) referring to his own work as "outstanding" I took it that way. Probably over-reacting, probably was a joke. I hope. I know he's usually pretty cool.
Posted by mgrueni on August 11, 2001, at 14:08:14
In reply to Probably over-reacting due to... , posted by JennyR on August 11, 2001, at 13:48:37
< If you see my post above it this thread, I was quite upset with my own therapist, so then when I read him (Dr. Bob) referring to his own work as "outstanding" I took it that way. Probably over-reacting, probably was a joke. I hope. I know he's usually pretty cool. >
Wow. You are also pretty cool! No, this is not *ironic*, far from it. I am very serious. I really admire what you did by posting this. Admitting that you probably have been over-reactive because you felt upset by someone else is very brave and very nice of you!
:o)
Micha
Posted by susan C on August 11, 2001, at 14:19:23
In reply to Re: Probably over-reacting due to... » JennyR, posted by mgrueni on August 11, 2001, at 14:08:14
Dear Jenny,
I wondered about that, as your name appeared one post after the other. This board is really something. There are people here who are blunt, honest, incredibly technical, and all very supportive and articulate.
-s
> < If you see my post above it this thread, I was quite upset with my own therapist, so then when I read him (Dr. Bob) referring to his own work as "outstanding" I took it that way. Probably over-reacting, probably was a joke. I hope. I know he's usually pretty cool. >
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> Wow. You are also pretty cool! No, this is not *ironic*, far from it. I am very serious. I really admire what you did by posting this. Admitting that you probably have been over-reactive because you felt upset by someone else is very brave and very nice of you!
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> :o)
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> Micha
Posted by pennie lane on August 13, 2001, at 14:56:40
In reply to Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by JennyR on August 9, 2001, at 17:01:14
I just re-read the I'll-be-away message again, and what it seems to say is that you *may* receive the same outstanding level of support without Dr.B around. Maybe or maybe not, that's what it seems to say. And he doesn't really say who gives the support, so, since it may continue in his absence, he must be referring to somebody besides himself.
As I understand his philosophy in this experiment, the group is presumed to be more or less qualified to give support and to educate, while he tries to be an administrator.
It is difficult to administrate without a shadow of one's prejudices showing through, and I think we should all be free to ask for a factual basis when somebody seems to act out of prejudice. I still think the "*Best* of both worlds" claim was a stretch, and many raise intelligent questions about some of his administrative policies.
Still, his stated philosophy is, as he quotes somebody on the tips page, "We are not priests with hidden holy books and a bird language which other people cannot understand."
> Look at that message from Dr. Bob above, to be aware that during his being away we won't receive the usual "outstanding level of support." I've just about had it with the holier than thou attitude of "professionals." You won't be getting my usual "outstanding" job. I thought he was different. They're all pompous.
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 17, 2001, at 17:07:38
In reply to Re: Look at Dr. Bob's message above » tina, posted by Wendy B. on August 11, 2001, at 8:14:36
> If posters act like children while he's gone, he wants an alert, that's all. He has to keep the Boards safe for people to feel comfortable enough to post. If the atmosphere becomes so negative that babblers feel inhibited, the objective of the Board is nullified.
Right, that's what I was worried about. But it looks like everything's been fine. Whew! And thanks! :-)
Bob
Posted by AMenz on August 18, 2001, at 23:41:12
In reply to Re: Look at Dr. Bob's message above » pennie lane, posted by NikkiT2 on August 10, 2001, at 14:00:01
Boy, welcome to the age of conformity. Have Americans become incapable of discourse or dissent? Is it a litghning will strike you if you don't fall into line.
I think the ability to criticize and vent frustration, and have it be tolerated is extremely important for a society. The seed of repression are planted in the type of soil where people have become either too scared or too nonchalant to tolerate dissent.
I'm sure Dr. Bob is big enough and intelligent enough to take criticism well. Isn't that right Dr. Bob. And I did think the comment a little pompous, but that doesn't mean I don't like Dr. Bob.
Dr. Bob feels free to give feedback to behavior he does not approve of. We should take our cue from him since he is obviously a healthy individual with good judgment.
> > The title of his self-critique about this site is funny too ... "The *Best* of Both Worlds."
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/research.html
> >
> > I wonder where he is? Maybe out standing in his field?
> >
> > Whether he is right or wrong about his level of support, sometimes a preferred practice in dealing with delusional individuals is to treat them as if their world view makes sense, at least to them.
> >
> > Since he is not here to defend himself or to extinguish flames, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and presume that he thinks he does an outstanding job. I'm sure he can find people to reinforce that view. Maybe the rest of you can treat Jen's opinion and mine at least as internally consistent, from our point of view, even though you might disagree.
> >
> > (for the archival record, since the HTML page will obviously change, Dr. Hsuing left this message at the top of the page on or about Aug. 7:
> >
> > Psycho-Babble on Autopilot
> > Hi, everyone. For the next week, I'm going to be offline -- and therefore not overseeing these boards like I usually do. During that time:
> >
> > Please treat this community with extra care.
> > Be aware that you may or may not receive the usual outstanding level of support.
> > If there are any uncivil posts, I'll deal with them when I'm back. If people let me know about them by email, I'll be able to zero in on them more quickly then. Thanks!)
> >
> >
> > > Aaw, come on, Jenny. I think he was trying to be funny. Give him the benefit of doubt.
> > >
> > > Ted
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Look at that message from Dr. Bob above, to be aware that during his being away we won't receive the usual "outstanding level of support." I've just about had it with the holier than thou attitude of "professionals." You won't be getting my usual "outstanding" job. I thought he was different. They're all pompous.
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 19, 2001, at 8:55:57
In reply to Re: Look at Dr. Bob's message above , posted by AMenz on August 18, 2001, at 23:41:12
> Boy, welcome to the age of conformity...
I'd like to redirect this:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20010718/msgs/1746.html
Thanks,
Bob
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