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Posted by muffled on September 17, 2007, at 0:09:15
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » girlnterrupted78, posted by RealMe on September 16, 2007, at 23:43:51
My T does this check up thing where we look at how much I have improved in various areas.
She has said, if I was NOT improving , and it was obvo she was not helping me, then ethically she would have to draw attn to the fact that therapy was long longer advantageous, and so we would have to revisit whether to continue.
So thats how we do it.
Posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 17, 2007, at 0:33:48
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » girlnterrupted78, posted by RealMe on September 16, 2007, at 23:43:51
> It is hard to give you any sort of an answer as it is different for different people--how long to know if there is progress. One just knows.
"One just knows"? Interesting. So you don't know whether it started working in 3 months or in 3 years? Or whatever your therapy has lasted?
> Your post does not seem to say much about what specifically you said and felt was not addressed.
My post doesn't say ANYTHING about what I felt was not addressed. And that is because that's not the topic of discussion of this thread, so I'm not going into details on that. I only mentioned that to give a small detail on how/why I feel there hasn't been any progress in my therapy.
>What I get from this post is similar to your last post, and that is that you just don't like your therapist.
If that's what you think, you're totally missing the point. I don't think I mentioned that I disliked my T in this thread, and I'm surprised you get THAT, when the topic here is the time it takes to see progress in therapy in general, and it invites other posters to share their experience.
>So, I am wondering what is it you really want to do??
Uh.. I think I want to get responses from people about their experience in therapy? Isn't that obvious? Just read the title of the OP. I think my OP is clear enough. I'm surprised *you* don't get it.
>If you don't want to work with this person, then how come you stay with her? And, if you want to work with her, then she is the one you should be asking these questions of.
Why do you insist on talking about the other thread? If you want to discuss that particular topic, please refer to the other thread, where those questions are already specifically addressed and answered. I am not discussing this issue here. You already gave me your (very short) answer above. You said: "one just knows".
Ok. Great. Thanks for responding.> I don't see how I or anyone can really answer your questions. People can offer support and suggestions, but no one can really tell you what to do, or at least they shouldn't. That is for you to decide in the end.
There you go again. I have no idea what you're talking about. I asked about individual experiences in therapy and how and when people can gauge their progress.
You're saying people cannot answer those questions? How can you speak for everyone in here if they haven't even posted yet? I don't think you should be speaking for others, but only for your own self. And I'm sure people can talk about their experience. And if their answer is like yours, "One just knows" Or "I don't know", then so be it. Any answer is valid, as long as it's addressing the question.
And in the strange event that you're referring to the OTHER thread (which you seem to be, over and over,).. people gave me TONS of feedback-so your claim that people can't offer feedback on those other questions is entirely wrong.
Posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 17, 2007, at 0:52:47
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » RealMe, posted by muffled on September 17, 2007, at 0:09:15
That sounds awesome, muffled.
How often do you and your T do that check up thing? I assume that if you're still with your T, it means things are working. How much progress have you made so far with your T? Do you notice actual antidepressant effects from therapy alone?
I wonder if this is common practice among T's? If my T doesn't do this, seems like a great suggestion to make. Otherwise, you can go years thinking that therapy is helping you, when in fact, it might not, and so much time and money blindly invested would be a huge loss.
Thanks for your response!
Posted by seldomseen on September 17, 2007, at 7:58:51
In reply to How long into therapy can you see progress?, posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 16, 2007, at 22:41:53
I think a lot of it depends on what kind of therapy you are in, how often you go and how much you put into it. I think in cognitive based therapies, you see results a lot faster.
When I first started therapy (psychodynamic), I actually felt WORSE for several months. I think it was because we started digging around into some pretty nasty stuff that I hadn't dealt with for a long long long time.
After that, it was slow going because I can get easily overwhelmed by all the bad stuff - and I still had to remain functional in my life.
So we took it slow. I really started to see a marked improvement in my thinking after about 5 years. I'm in the termination phase right now and we aren't rushing that either.
I still get sad, I still get depressed, but the bad things that happen through the normal course of life just aren't as devastating as they used to be and I recover a lot faster from setbacks.
Hope this helps
Seldom.
Posted by frida on September 17, 2007, at 9:29:25
In reply to How long into therapy can you see progress?, posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 16, 2007, at 22:41:53
Hi..
In my case it took years to see actual progress, but I noticed hope increasing in the first year...
My T has been quite open to me about this, and sometimes she expresses frustration and we've been through rough patches...
if she believes we're not making progress she tells me so and we try to discuss it..She tells me that she has a responsibility and commitment to our work together.she always tells me when i've taken steps or the positive things and changes she sees in me.
I guess it takes time...it depends on what you struggle with...in my case it took me a long time to build trust enough to work on things and to be able to change something and feel better.But luckily my T's caring helped me find hope early on.
Wishing you the best on your journey,
Frida
Posted by muffled on September 17, 2007, at 11:50:35
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » muffled, posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 17, 2007, at 0:52:47
> How often do you and your T do that check up thing? I assume that if you're still with your T, it means things are working. How much progress have you made so far with your T? Do you notice actual antidepressant effects from therapy alone?
*not sure, mebbe every few months? or just to kinda check when we feeling bogged down.
She does it as a percentage.
Eg:
So you do less self harm...how much better is that from when you started? 10%? 40%? How much do you think its improved?
I stopped therapy for a time, and kinda went downhill, guess I not done yet. I think if depression is severe then AD's are necc. I am not on meds at this time. I seem to be able to do w/o meds if I am in T.> I wonder if this is common practice among T's? If my T doesn't do this, seems like a great suggestion to make. Otherwise, you can go years thinking that therapy is helping you, when in fact, it might not, and so much time and money blindly invested would be a huge loss.
*exactly. Its a good practice. I think its a common code of therapy. 1. do no harm, but also, if there is no progress, then alternatives need to be looked at...
Good luck.
Posted by LadyBug on September 17, 2007, at 13:06:50
In reply to How long into therapy can you see progress?, posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 16, 2007, at 22:41:53
I'm slow, but I've been with my same T for over 10 years now. The last year I've really seen some growth. But I do know that with medication and therapy, I have kept my depsession at bay. Thank goodness. It comes and goes, but never completly goes away. It's a slow process and I hope someday to look back and be glad I went through it, it's hard work.
Give yourself what ever time you need, you're worth it.
LadyBug
Posted by fallsfall on September 17, 2007, at 14:49:57
In reply to How long into therapy can you see progress?, posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 16, 2007, at 22:41:53
One size does not fit all. How long it takes to feel better depends on you, your history, your therapist, their therapeutic orientation etc.
CBT works faster than psychodynamic, but it may only address the symptoms, not the causes. For some people this is plenty and they feel better in 6 sessions or 6 months or so.
Psychodynamic takes longer because it works more on the underlying causes. I think that many of us on this board are in psychodynamic therapy (and that is why you will hear about years of therapy rather than months of therapy. Also, people who feel better fast don't tend to look for a board like this, so we all tend to be the "harder" cases).
Speed can also depend on what your issues are. If your issues make it hard to do the work in therapy (like if you have trust issues), you have to work through those issues before you can get started in "feeling better". Though, once you have worked through those issues you might feel better!
Of course, if you have lots of issues it will take longer to feel better than if you only have a few.
I would encourage you to ask your therapist about how she sees your progress/or lack there of. Also if you bring something up and she doesn't seem to want to talk about it, you should ask her why. It is more important to talk about what YOU think is important than what SHE thinks is important.
Therapy CAN work wonders. It has helped me to go from only being able to do crossstitch on the couch to almost being done with my Masters in Library Science.
Posted by RealMe on September 17, 2007, at 22:15:53
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » girlnterrupted78, posted by RealMe on September 16, 2007, at 23:43:51
Here is how I see it. Your two posts appear linked to me. They both have to do with a therapist who you feel is not helping you. The second is more like how long before I should see progress with this therapist? What I was saying was that it depends on a number of factors--what you bring to the table in the way of problems, needs, demands, feelings, thoughts, perceptions, trust, etc, and the therapist style, type of therapy, etc.
It seems to me from your response to me that you are annoyed with me and what I said. That is okay with me. I see your two threads as linked and having to do with your therapist. This is my opinion.
In any case I think it best for me to just bow out and let you see what you can garner from others.
RealMe
Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on September 17, 2007, at 23:08:25
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » girlnterrupted78, posted by seldomseen on September 17, 2007, at 7:58:51
> I think a lot of it depends on what kind of therapy you are in, how often you go and how much you put into it. I think in cognitive based therapies, you see results a lot faster.
I've made the mistake of never asking questions regarding the kind of therapy I'll be given by any T I've had.. I've just sort of allowed my Ts to take over, and I've noticed that most of my previous, along with my current T do the same thing--they just let things happen spontaneously, without specific order and without checking results after certain number of months.
This also has to do with the fact that I'm totally ignorant regarding therapy.
Do you (or anyone else) happen to know/is able to recommend some book where therapy in general is discussed, along with the types of therapies available? I want to be able to arrive in therapy knowing what I want, and knowing more less what to expect. Otherwise it'll be very easy to get ripped off.
> When I first started therapy (psychodynamic), I actually felt WORSE for several months. I think it was because we started digging around into some pretty nasty stuff that I hadn't dealt with for a long long long time.
Wow, that must be tough. Didn't you feel like giving up after feeling worse for several months? I don't know if I could handle that.. I mean, I feel bad enough already! I can't imagine feeling worse..
> I really started to see a marked improvement in my thinking after about 5 years. I'm in the termination phase right now and we aren't rushing that either.
You were quite patient. Feeling worse for several months, and seeing results in 5 years? I don't think I could've been so patient. Did you have any certainty that it was all working for the better? If you felt terrible during the first several months, and better after 5 years, what about the time in between--from years 2-4?
> I still get sad, I still get depressed, but the bad things that happen through the normal course of life just aren't as devastating as they used to be and I recover a lot faster from setbacks.
So you don't suffer from clinical depression? You never suffered from it to begin with? I was curious about the recovery time from actual depression through therapy. 5 years is a long time, I definitely would like to see results sooner. What made you stay in that therapy despite not seeing results until the 5th year?
Thank you for the feedback
Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on September 17, 2007, at 23:15:17
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » girlnterrupted78, posted by frida on September 17, 2007, at 9:29:25
Thank you for your response, Frida. I'm glad things are working out for you. It seems like many people wait years to see progress.
Did you not trust your T at the beginning? You say it took you time to build trust.. how much time did it take you to trust your T? and why didn't you trust her at first?
Well, glad to hear you're seeing actual progress now.. if you don't mind me asking, how many years has it been since you started to see progress?
Thanx again and best of luck
Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on September 17, 2007, at 23:46:30
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » girlnterrupted78, posted by LadyBug on September 17, 2007, at 13:06:50
> I'm slow, but I've been with my same T for over 10 years now.
Oh wow, that's quite some time. But if you're still there, it must be doing something positive for you. Same T! lol. Well, your T must be amazing if you've been with her all this time.
Your case makes me wonder if depression might be an incurable disease. I always thought of therapy as a treatment that would end leaving results. Sort of like CBT. I never thought about starting therapy to stay on it for more than 2 years.
Unlike antidepressants, which you need probably forever if you suffer from serious depression (like me and many others here..)
> The last year I've really seen some growth. But I do know that with medication and therapy, I have kept my depsession at bay. Thank goodness. It comes and goes, but never completly goes away.
Oh man. You might be right on that. Depression is an evil with no cure. I don't think anyone has been "cured" of depression, despite therapy and antidepressants. Although I have to say I felt completely CURED when I took my first SSRI. But after it pooped out, I realized that it was just a dream. I would never be cured.. and in fact, I would never feel "cured" again.
That poop out signaled the beginning of the fight. The beginning of the days where I would only know how incredible and wonderful it feels to be normal and healthy, but how awful it is to know I'll never be healthy again.
>It's a slow process and I hope someday to look back and be glad I went through it, it's hard work.
I hope so too. It's been already 10 years.. in fact, you should be able to look back right now, since 10 years is a lot of work already.
> Give yourself what ever time you need, you're worth it.
Thank you. In truth, I'd prefer not to take that much time. I would like to get well soon, although I don't know how long it might take.
Thanks again for your input
GI78
Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on September 18, 2007, at 0:03:54
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » girlnterrupted78, posted by fallsfall on September 17, 2007, at 14:49:57
> One size does not fit all. How long it takes to feel better depends on you, your history, your therapist, their therapeutic orientation etc.
Yep, you have a good point there.
> CBT works faster than psychodynamic, but it may only address the symptoms, not the causes. For some people this is plenty and they feel better in 6 sessions or 6 months or so.
Interesting. I don't know much about types of therapy and what they do. Do you know where I can get acquainted with this information? I'd like to become more familiar with therapy to be able to actually know what to expect and what to demand from it.
> Psychodynamic takes longer because it works more on the underlying causes. I think that many of us on this board are in psychodynamic therapy (and that is why you will hear about years of therapy rather than months of therapy. Also, people who feel better fast don't tend to look for a board like this, so we all tend to be the "harder" cases).
You're right on that, those people are probably busy living their lives rather than here looking for a cure.
> I would encourage you to ask your therapist about how she sees your progress/or lack there of. Also if you bring something up and she doesn't seem to want to talk about it, you should ask her why. It is more important to talk about what YOU think is important than what SHE thinks is important.
I will ask her, and I will make sure we talk about what I want and think is important. I don't know anything about how the therapy works, so I basically follow her suggestions and instructions, but I definitely should be better acquainted with the therapy method I'm given so that I can use that knowledge to my advantage.> Therapy CAN work wonders. It has helped me to go from only being able to do crossstitch on the couch to almost being done with my Masters in Library Science.
Great to hear that. Has this taken years? Did you need antidepressants for this, or did therapy alone help you with this?
Thank you for your response, it's very encouraging.
Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on September 18, 2007, at 0:43:33
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress?, posted by RealMe on September 17, 2007, at 22:15:53
> Here is how I see it. Your two posts appear linked to me. They both have to do with a therapist who you feel is not helping you. The second is more like how long before I should see progress with this therapist?
Well, the threads obviously have some similarities because they were written by the same person, and they make reference to the same T. But they're not discussing the same subject.
> What I was saying was that it depends on a number of factors--what you bring to the table in the way of problems, needs, demands, feelings, thoughts, perceptions, trust, etc, and the therapist style, type of therapy, etc.
Well, that's pretty obvious. I wanted to hear other people's experiences to be able to get a feel for how therapy has helped them and how long it's taken them to see any results and recovery from their depression. And apparently everybody understood my OP except for you.. I don't know why.
> It seems to me from your response to me that you are annoyed with me and what I said. That is okay with me. I see your two threads as linked and having to do with your therapist. This is my opinion.
Hmmm.. I felt annoyed because you sounded hostile and accusatory. You sounded angry about the fact that I happened to mention my T, and you implied that this thread was only a repetition of my previous thread. You even said that all what this thread said is that I "dislike" my T. I never said that in *this* thread. That was the OTHER thread.
Then you started lecturing on how nobody can answer my questions, and that I should address those questions to my T..
Hey, what questions? And what should I ask my T? Did you read the OP? Read it again: "How long into therapy can you see progress?"
People are sharing how long it's taken them to see progress, did you realize? Well, that's what I wanted to talk about, and I'm getting great feedback. Nobody is talking about me not liking my T, and I'm not talking about that either.
Sorry that you misunderstood my thread. I don't know what else to say. I think we should just move on.
Posted by RealMe on September 18, 2007, at 1:06:41
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » RealMe, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on September 18, 2007, at 0:43:33
I wasn't angry, trying to be hostile, or accusatory. I was just making an observation. So all I can say is wow.
RealMe
Posted by Racer on September 18, 2007, at 3:41:31
In reply to How long into therapy can you see progress?, posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 16, 2007, at 22:41:53
> How long into a therapy can you objectively see antidepressant effects?
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> Seems like in the antidepressant forums, actual results are the topic of choice, while in therapy, more trouble with Ts gets discussed. But what about actual results from therapy? Is there such a thing?
>It's hard to say, in part because the results of therapy are very different from the results of effective antidepressants. Antidepressants, when they work, improve your mood, which in theory may improve your functioning. Therapy, though, is about improving your functioning -- in hopes that will improve your mood.
I was in therapy for a couple of years earlier in my life -- twenty or so years ago, now. That improved things a lot for me, although obviously not enough to keep me out of the abyss. I've been in therapy with my current T for just over two years now, and I am aware of a great deal of improvement in my functioning. Am I depressed? Well, see, I'm also medicated pretty heavily, which controls the worst of the depression. Am I still sub-optimal? Oh, you betcha.
Depression is one of those things that warps and twists you on many levels. Most people with depression will learn to behave in ways that probably contribute to our depression. Therapy is aimed at discovering those maladaptive behaviors, so that they can be replaced by more adaptive behaviors. Even in someone who has 100% biochemical based depression, there will be some maladaptive attitudes and behaviors which can be improved through therapy.
I don't want to say too much here, but I wonder if you've read through some of your replies on this thread and the one before it? I'm thinking it might be beneficial for you to examine some of what you've written here. If it's similar to what happens in your therapy sessions, it might be worth examining some of these posts in a bit of detail, maybe even taking them in to a session with your T to discuss them.
It's late, I've got to be up early, so I'm done now. Good luck.
Posted by seldomseen on September 18, 2007, at 8:43:49
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » seldomseen, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on September 17, 2007, at 23:08:25
Well, I don't know of any good books on the different types of therapy, but I'm sure you could peruse online and find all the information that you need.
Or maybe someone here knows of some good therapy books and they could post.
Yeah I do suffer from major depression, but I haven't had a major relapse in over 7 years. Just minor bumps along the way that just are a natural part of life.
The drugs helped with the depression, but therapy played I think the most important role in my remission.
It's hard to describe exactly how it did this, but therapy changed the way I think and changed the way I process what I perceive in the world.
My first months in therapy were basically just me talking about how my life sucked, how my childhood sucked, how nothing ever worked out for me, how depressed I was etc... It was gut wrenching for us both I think. But it helped me to realize the magnitude of the problem which hit me like a ton off bricks.
During this time, my T was largely silent. He would listen, but I knew he was waiting for me to get it all out, so he could learn my thought patterns, my triggers and then where he could best help.
My T is big into "insight based" therapy. So once he developed what I call his "treatment plan", we started to work. He would offer different explanations for the way I experienced something.
He helped me to see that I was looking at the world through a veil of abuse and depression, and not viewing it as a "well" person would. That was year 2-4.
Did I like it? NO! In fact, I was mad as heck at him for pointing out even further how I was to blame for everything that was bad. Then there were some incredibly painful transference issues.
Why did I stick it out? Part of it was the relationship that I had developed with my T and the other part of it was I knew it was working. Once he helped me to see that I could control how I viewed the world things got dramatically better.
Seldom.
Posted by antigua3 on September 18, 2007, at 11:25:21
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress?, posted by seldomseen on September 18, 2007, at 8:43:49
Well, you may not like my answer at all!!! I have been with the same T for 17, yes 17, years. I saw improvement right away because I had someone to talk to who was willing to listen and, as others have said, pointed out how my reactions to current events were based on patterns developed as a child. When I first went to her I was in crisis mode over a devastating event, so it took a year maybe to get over that.
Over the years, we've done wonderful things together. She has helped me raise my kids in a healthy way, and when we've been "stuck" on the tough things, we would discuss my kids and the issues they brought up in me.
It took me many, many years to really trust her, to believe that she cared and had my best interests at heart. It seems funny that it took so long, but abandonment is at the root of most of my issues and I know now that she would never abandon me.
For me, it has been lots of peaks and valleys, very painful at times, even recently, but I have learned coping skills that I use every day now. She is with me always, inside, and while it may sound like we don't have things to discuss anymore, in many ways we are only getting to the center core of my self now. I still have issues with males, which is not as easy to deal with with her because she has played the role of the good mother to me. Now I have a male pdoc and she & I are working on how I can use this relationship to resolve paternal issues.
Obviously, I'm in psychodynamic therapy, but my pdoc does more CBT. I don't feel like I have far to go w/her anymore--I can see the end in sight so now I just see her every other week.
antigua
Posted by Deputy Racer on September 18, 2007, at 12:52:51
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » RealMe, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on September 18, 2007, at 0:43:33
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> Hmmm.. I felt annoyed because you sounded hostile and accusatory.
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> Then you started lecturing on how nobody can answer my questions, and that I should address those questions to my T..
>Please don't post anything which could lead others to feel accused or put down. Using "I Statements" to express our reactions is OK, but including characterizations of others as "hostile" or "accusatory" is not. If you have a problem with something posted on the board, please use the "Notify Administrators" button located at the bottom of each page.
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Posted by fallsfall on September 18, 2007, at 19:51:23
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » fallsfall, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on September 18, 2007, at 0:03:54
http://psychologytoday.com/pto/methods.html
This is a brief description. Google psychodynamic and "cognitive behavioral" to find more (and any other types you are interested in). Have you asked your therapist what kind of therapy she does?
My depression was diagnosed 12 years ago. I did 8 1/2 years in CBT - but it wasn't the right therapy choice for me. I've been in psychodynamic for 4 and it has worked wonders. I have taken as many as 9 medications at a time. Right now I am on only Prozac.
Many studies find that a combination of therapy and medication is the best bet.
Good luck!
Posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 19, 2007, at 1:09:42
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » girlnterrupted78, posted by Racer on September 18, 2007, at 3:41:31
> I don't want to say too much here, but I wonder if you've read through some of your replies on this thread and the one before it? I'm thinking it might be beneficial for you to examine some of what you've written here. If it's similar to what happens in your therapy sessions, it might be worth examining some of these posts in a bit of detail, maybe even taking them in to a session with your T to discuss them.Thank you for your response. I'm really not sure what posts you might be referring to, or how they might be similar to what happens in my therapy. I haven't felt that at all here--as in, feeling unwilling to talk or lacking trust. After all, everyone's anonymous, so it's easy to be open.
If you don't want to say much, maybe you could send me what you think through babble-mail? I mean, if you'd like to. I'd be totally open to that, but it's up to you. It might be helpful for me to get your input, since I really don't know what you might be sensing from my responses in my threads.
Thanks again for your input on this,
Gi78
Posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 19, 2007, at 1:31:42
In reply to Please be civil » Girlnterrupted78, posted by Deputy Racer on September 18, 2007, at 12:52:51
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> > Hmmm.. I felt annoyed because you sounded hostile and accusatory.
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> > Then you started lecturing on how nobody can answer my questions, and that I should address those questions to my T..
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> Please don't post anything which could lead others to feel accused or put down. Using "I Statements" to express our reactions is OK, but including characterizations of others as "hostile" or "accusatory" is not.Sorry Racer. I actually said he "sounded" hostile and accusatory, not that he "was" hostile and accusatory. I'm not sure how else I could have worded that, but I just tried to be honest about my response, since that's how the poster in question came across to me, and the poster made a comment about it.
> If you have a problem with something posted on the board, please use the "Notify Administrators" button located at the bottom of each page.
I know that in extreme situations it's better to contact the administrators, but I didn't feel it was extreme, and if the poster in question notes that he senses you to be annoyed, I figured it wasn't necessary to go to administrators for something like this and maybe it was better to be honest? Sorry, I'm now confused about the whole procedure.
Oh well, I'm sorry if it wasn't civil. It wasn't intended that way, but it was intended to be honest and I made sure to use "I" statements, along with saying the person "sounded" as opposed to the person "is" to ensure I wasn't calling the person any negative adjectives.
GI78
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Posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 19, 2007, at 3:17:12
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » Girlnterrupted78, posted by RealMe on September 18, 2007, at 1:06:41
> I wasn't angry, trying to be hostile, or accusatory. I was just making an observation. So all I can say is wow.
> RealMeWell, I'm glad you weren't angry, it's just how your post came across. It would be too petty a reason to be angry about.
I'm still confused though, about what questions you would like me to ask my T from my OP on this thread?
If you could elaborate on that, I'd appreciate it, because I asked you in my previous post, but you didn't respond.
Thanks
Posted by Deputy Dinah on September 19, 2007, at 9:18:12
In reply to Re: How long into therapy can you see progress? » RealMe, posted by girlnterrupted78 on September 19, 2007, at 3:17:12
> Well, I'm glad you weren't angry, it's just how your post came across. It would be too petty a reason to be angry about.
Please don't jump to conclusions about others or post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
Dr. Bob prefers that we use "I" statements about our feelings. There is a discussion of I statements in the FAQ.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
I've often found it helpful to find a civility buddy, someone who is willing to review my posts for civility from an outside perspective if I have any questions. You might find this helpful as well.
You've just been asked to be civil on this topic, so I'm going to have to block you from posting for one week.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions, or to adjust block lengths. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 19, 2007, at 23:58:50
In reply to Blocked for a week » girlnterrupted78, posted by Deputy Dinah on September 19, 2007, at 9:18:12
> Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions, or to adjust block lengths.
According to the new formula:
duration of previous block: 1 week
period of time since previous block: 11 weeks
severity: 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual or group) = 3
block length = 2.45 rounded = 2 weeksBob
This is the end of the thread.
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