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Posted by Phillipa on September 9, 2008, at 12:39:34
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting, posted by Dinah on September 9, 2008, at 8:08:58
Dinah true yes there is extensive training but somehow I have to wonder if it was a setup to see how we as a community would react. I'm not criticizing anyone nor accusing anyone. Just have been pondering this the last few days. For me I just always liked crisis intervention in person til got sick now I couldn't do it. As a matter of me I can't be around illness anymore too many triggers for me. So I feel everyone should do what's comfortable for them and thank those you jump into action. Phillipa
Posted by Dinah on September 9, 2008, at 13:21:48
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting » Dinah, posted by Phillipa on September 9, 2008, at 12:39:34
If you're asking if it was a setup by Dr. Bob to see how community members would react, I can assure you it was not.
People continue to overestimate Dr. Bob's involvement in Babble. He isn't involved enough at the present time to bother setting up a situation like that, even if he were so lacking in ethics to do so.
Posted by Dinah on September 9, 2008, at 13:45:16
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on September 9, 2008, at 13:21:48
Now that Ike has passed, I think I'm heading into post-evacuation reaction. I should back away from the computer for a while.
I do, however, miss Dr. Bob's presence on the board and think the board was better served when he was around enough to make moot any discussion of whether deputies should have powers that some of them don't want.
Posted by 10derHeart on September 9, 2008, at 14:31:21
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on September 9, 2008, at 13:21:48
I echo and agree with every word here, and don't believe any apologies were needed.
But I understand why you apologized. It's who you are - and it's admirable and wonderful. You take care and don't worry about Babble...
Posted by Partlycloudy on September 9, 2008, at 14:56:43
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting » Dinah, posted by 10derHeart on September 9, 2008, at 14:31:21
I suppose I should clarify my own comments about implied responsibility and access to poster information. I was only a deputy briefly; however, I had the experience of being on chat at a time when another participant was actively suicidal. The members of the community who were also on chat at the same time expected me to take action, and told me so. I did what I could (though Dr Bob was actually not reachable at the time with the channels I had to use). Things turned out OK that time, but I was frustrated by the expectations of the community (in the chat room at that time) of me as a deputy, and my inability to have any real consequence - my deputy hat meant essentially nothing. I resigned the next day.
I haven't been quite right since then.
Posted by Marty on September 9, 2008, at 17:11:51
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting » Dinah, posted by Phillipa on September 9, 2008, at 12:39:34
> I have to wonder if it was a setup to see how we as a community would react.
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From my point of view it's impossible for many reasons:1- A doctor would never put sufferers life in jeopardy just to see how we 'react': We ain't no lab rats.
2- The setup would include not only 1 but 2 Psychiatrist (Dr.Lassise)
3- There's no point in having a woman in a motel room somewhere with her computers and enough medication to kill herself: It wasn't just unnecessary but also what was the odd of me finding here only with her two first (and very short) posts ? The police confirmed me personally that they found her.
... you can put your mind at rest Phillipa as there isn't no conspiracy theory nescessary to explain what happened. Use "ochman's razor" theory here and you'll see what I mean.But if you really want to theorize on something more juicy that can look suspicious to someone with slight paranoia (no, not you Phil): enter "http://www.group-study.org/" in your browser and see what website is goes to.... yes, Dr-bob.org :) simple explanation .. Dr.Hsiung wrote a book called 'E-Therapy' in 2002 and the years before Dr-Bob.org was a place where him and his peers could 'study' this then kind of new phenomenon that was 'Psych Board'. This is far from being a bad thing... people who was here in those years should be glad to having contribute to this and also be glad that, at that time, it was one of the most safest and advanced forum.
Here's a free preview of about ~50% of Dr.Bob's book called E-Therapy:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=72hVVpqtcBEC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPP1,M1Or if you want to buy it on amazon .. "E-Therapy"
/\/\arty
Posted by Dinah on September 9, 2008, at 17:11:56
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting, posted by Partlycloudy on September 9, 2008, at 14:56:43
Things haven't changed much in that respect. Responsibility without any meaningful power. Of course, I'd rather not have the power, or the responsibility.
It's a difficult topic. I have vague recollections of admin discussions about enabling other posters to do something. (Not the same other posters as deputies perhaps.) But that gives me a bit of pause too. It's one thing to have Dr. Bob, a professional who is presumably trained to assess risk, be able to do something that effects a poster's real life. It's something else entirely, to me, to have posters not trained in assessing risk make that decision.
I don't *think* I've ever written anything that could lead others to believe I'm in immediate jeopardy. But I do know that there have been times when there is interpretation involved. I'm not sure I'd feel entirely comfortable with fellow posters making that call.
PC, apart from the first paragraph, this isn't really intended as a reply to anything you posted.
It's just a general concern I have at anyone who isn't specifically trained having the ability to do something that would have consequences in my real life, should they interpret something as being more dangerous than it actually was.
That was always part of the "best of both worlds" of a professionally administrated mental health board. I agreed with Dr. Bob's conclusion in that article, and I don't really like that Babble no longer has the best of those worlds.
Posted by Dinah on September 9, 2008, at 17:15:21
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting » Dinah, posted by 10derHeart on September 9, 2008, at 14:31:21
For some reason I feel more guilty criticizing Dr. Bob than I used to. Not because of Dr. Bob, so much...
Posted by Marty on September 9, 2008, at 17:20:23
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting » Phillipa, posted by Marty on September 9, 2008, at 17:11:51
"Ockham's Razor" isn't a theory, but a principle. Sorry about that./\/\arty
Posted by Dinah on September 9, 2008, at 17:37:57
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting, posted by Marty on September 9, 2008, at 17:20:23
I looked it up. Thanks. :)
I think it definitely applies to Dr. Bob.
Posted by 10derHeart on September 9, 2008, at 17:48:25
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting, posted by Marty on September 9, 2008, at 17:20:23
...and I'm so glad you mentioned it! Comes in handy so often in life, and I am very fond of invoking it! I just always forget how to spell it....but I do remember the principle :-)
Thanks for everything lately, Marty.
Posted by Phillipa on September 9, 2008, at 19:31:12
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting, posted by Marty on September 9, 2008, at 17:20:23
Marty thanks for the info and so glad the outcome was positive. Love Phillipa
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on September 13, 2008, at 22:54:50
In reply to My apologies, posted by Dinah on September 9, 2008, at 13:45:16
NO need to apologize Dinah. I know, it is a part of your nature, but honestly, I don't think for a second an apology was needed. Like 10DER said, just look after *you* until those really big issues pass. As the song goes.."Do not let them take your Pride...".
Jay
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 14, 2008, at 16:27:47
In reply to Re: deputies having information/acting, posted by Partlycloudy on September 9, 2008, at 14:56:43
> I had the experience of being on chat at a time when another participant was actively suicidal. The members of the community who were also on chat at the same time expected me to take action, and told me so. ... Things turned out OK that time, but I was frustrated by the expectations ... of me as a deputy, and my inability to have any real consequence
That's a tough situation. Under stress, people can feel helpless and turn to an authority figure. And expect a lot from them!
Bob
Posted by stellabystarlight on September 14, 2008, at 22:25:26
In reply to Re: being expected to take action, posted by Dr. Bob on September 14, 2008, at 16:27:47
Hi Dr. Bob,
I sat out on this one, but I felt like I was watching a "war" going down here. I felt for everyone's point of view, but I was mostly worried about your feelings. I'm glad you're okay. I'd like you to know that I very much appreciate your site. The bottom line: I've learning so much about myself and therapy through this site.
Cheers,
Stellabystarlight
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 15, 2008, at 2:08:30
In reply to So Nice to see your name again on Admin! » Dr. Bob, posted by stellabystarlight on September 14, 2008, at 22:25:26
> I sat out on this one, but I felt like I was watching a "war" going down here. I felt for everyone's point of view, but I was mostly worried about your feelings. I'm glad you're okay. I'd like you to know that I very much appreciate your site. The bottom line: I've learning so much about myself and therapy through this site.
Thanks for thinking of me. And for letting the "war" work itself out. I'm glad you're learning here, the posters are great!
Bob
Posted by AbbieNormal on September 15, 2008, at 19:12:23
In reply to Re: being expected to take action, posted by Dr. Bob on September 14, 2008, at 16:27:47
"Under stress, people can feel helpless and turn to an authority figure."
Wow Bob, I'm flattered. :-)
Posted by Kattwoman on September 30, 2008, at 22:48:48
In reply to Re: being expected to take action » Dr. Bob, posted by AbbieNormal on September 15, 2008, at 19:12:23
> "Under stress, people can feel helpless and turn to an authority figure."
>
> Wow Bob, I'm flattered. :-)I was not only under stress I am ill and have done stupid things. I am alive thanks to all of you
I do not know how I stumbled upon this sight but I did. God has been with me since this happened.
The Police did nothing for all they knew I could have gone back to the begging and finished it. It was not the police
It was God
Dr Lassise IS an idiot.
I agree I have done my share of wrong but I am here to tell you he does NOT KNOW what he is doing.
I have my mind back but my heart and soul still aches
I am sorry to put all of you throught this and thank you for being the angels of the Lord
Posted by Marty on September 30, 2008, at 23:23:07
In reply to Re: being expected to take action » AbbieNormal, posted by Kattwoman on September 30, 2008, at 22:48:48
Kattwoman!
Glad to see you here and so to know that you've survived this crisis you had. As you can see on this thread, your short 'visit' has made a couple of us very worried for you.
> I was not only under stress I am ill and have done stupid things. I am alive thanks to all of you.
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We though the medication changes that Dr.Lassise prescribed you sent you into a 'trouble making' episode .. not just because of the benzodiazepine (Clonazepam/Rivotril ?) but also what he could have added. Antidepressant sometimes send people into mania/hypomania and after a while they fall into depression and realize all the 'mistake' they did while maniac ... was it your case Katt ? .. another possibility are antipsychotics which sends some into major depression. Are you willing to elucidate this to us ? What did Dr.Lassise ?> I do not know how I stumbled upon this sight but I did. God has been with me since this happened.
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Glad to hear that. I didn't post one of those great letter people wrote you on that day but I've read it and they were pretty touching. Btw, mines (including Babblemail/Private mail) was only to try 'another approach' because we wanted you to answer us and talk to us so we could help you. At the time you were not answering us, everything was worthy of trying.. especially as the hours passed by without news.
> The Police did nothing for all they knew I could have gone back to the begging and finished it.
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I know and it's scary to see how bad trained they are in identifying people who needs helps and not let alone for their own security. The most determined suicidal persons don't want the police to take them away of their chance of finishing it as soon as possible! ... a psychiatrist would, at least,ask for a 24h evaluation in a psychiatric ER .. but 'you know who' didn't do nothing at all regarding the situation. Not even call us back or even reply by email ! I don't know if he's stupid, but I wouldn't want him to be my psychiatrist, that's for sure! hope you have a better and caring one now.
It was not the police. It was God
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The police couldn't have saved you all the time anyway, but God can .. I like to think we were enough that night to think about you that 'your folder raised on top of the stack' on Gods desk. ;)
> I have my mind back but my heart and soul still aches.
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Many here are feeling just like that and no doubt they'll be willing to listen to your story and share their own if you gave them a chance too.Welcome back Katt !
/\/\arty
PS: Many people are waiting for good news from you on the thread you created called "Today is my day". If you post a message on that thread they will receive an email telling them you wrote something in it. In case you want to: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20080903/msgs/850075.html
Posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2008, at 0:12:39
In reply to Re: being expected to take action » AbbieNormal, posted by Kattwoman on September 30, 2008, at 22:48:48
Kattwoman I was so worried about you. Will you continue to post here where we really do care about you. I know I do and babblemailed you lots of times . I wish you would babblemail me that's click on my posting name in blue and a screen appearing and you type me a private message and at the bottom click send babblemail and I'll get it like a private e-mail. I'm just so happy you're alive and we do want to help you Love Phillipa/Jan
Posted by calamityjane on October 2, 2008, at 12:01:52
In reply to Re: post something on that thread » Dr. Bob, posted by AbbieNormal on September 6, 2008, at 11:44:03
Abbie,
you and i have discussed xxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, right? well, in my humble opinion that makes you and i both just as qualified as dr-bob to talk to a suicidal person. I mean, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?dont you remember my post in "grief" titled "suicide"? you said that should be required reading for all suicidal people.
i think you are being incredibly harsh against dr-bob right now....
Posted by calamityjane on October 2, 2008, at 12:07:52
In reply to Re: post something on that thread - - Abbie, posted by calamityjane on October 2, 2008, at 12:01:52
I may be missing something in this thread, so if my most previous post is "off" i apologize. I am just confused as to why you are so upset with Dr B.
Posted by calamityjane on October 2, 2008, at 12:09:54
In reply to PS, Abbie, posted by calamityjane on October 2, 2008, at 12:07:52
and obviously i dont read dates before i post something on here..... ooooopsss
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on October 2, 2008, at 23:04:21
In reply to Re: post something on that thread - - Abbie, posted by calamityjane on October 2, 2008, at 12:01:52
> you and i have discussed xxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, right?
>I mean, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?
As outlined in the FAQs of this site, Dr. Bob asks posters to not post private communications from other posters without their permission.Thanks.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternate ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin, and should of course, be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
--10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by calamityjane on October 3, 2008, at 12:37:36
In reply to Please follow site guidelines » calamityjane, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on October 2, 2008, at 23:04:21
It wasnt intentionally and that particular poster has already chewed me out for it as well. Thanks for the reminder, though.
This is the end of the thread.
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