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Posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 13:05:30
In reply to and about the trigger...., posted by karen_kay on August 25, 2008, at 12:55:06
KK you know that makes so much sense if you know what a poster writes and you don't like it don't read it. KK is very smart in a good way today. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on August 25, 2008, at 14:34:11
In reply to Re: and about the trigger.... » karen_kay, posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 13:05:30
YES ITS ME MANIC ,thanks for debate its cool, i suffer constant anxiety an crazy bouts of depression, have done all my life. i carnt spell i lose the plot hey its me.now i hurt every day an i laugh through the hurt . i can take any phyical pain , well nearly i keep getting a 4 inch split fisher up my a/s/now thats pain. i have to be crude in adult jokes or there not funny.im telling them to grown ups not kids.itold you i lay on a shower floor in hospital for 6 hours a day for a week detoxin with freezin water because the sweat came out like a waterin can still i can laugh.im not a comedian i just want to laugh with people . look at the great comedians an what do the have in common BIPOLAR a lot of people i no dont no im a mental patient because i hide behind the smile.sorry what you see is what you get. MANIC666
Posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 25, 2008, at 14:39:55
In reply to THE CULPRIT, posted by manic666 on August 25, 2008, at 14:34:11
to these boards nor age restrictions to posters or readers - never have been.
Posted by rskontos on August 25, 2008, at 15:41:30
In reply to There are no 'adult content' warnings, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 25, 2008, at 14:39:55
FWIW, I think KK is right about the trigger designation, it is usually to indicate CS or abusive types of messages so maybe a new indicator regarding humorous messages in that the language might be XX or PG 13 or over17 only etc. I read a few of the jokes and while I did not find them all the type I would necessary like on an ongoing basis I did not necessarily find them offensive completely either. I afterall have a teenage son and have to screen hiphop songs in which there can be truly offensive language. And I worked in a high school which can really open your ears. Anyway, I do believe that a warning in the subject might be appropriate but not necessarily the word trigger since I feel like its use here has been to mean something entirely differently in the past.
Again, this is just my humble opin
and usually I am much too serious and need to lighten up.so my opin might not be too valid.
rsk
Posted by fayeroe on August 25, 2008, at 16:04:34
In reply to Re: and about the trigger.... » karen_kay, posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 13:05:30
Posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 25, 2008, at 16:20:04
In reply to Re: There are no 'adult content' warnings, posted by rskontos on August 25, 2008, at 15:41:30
Yes, there are many areas in RL and on the internet where very, uh, very adult content is found.
I have a concern regarding the scope of these boards and their allowance.
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 25, 2008, at 17:42:11
In reply to and about the trigger...., posted by karen_kay on August 25, 2008, at 12:55:06
Yes...I don't really get it. I don't understand this censorship thing at all. I say just live and let live...not a very popular option these days.
Jay
Posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 19:38:23
In reply to AND if you don't know what the poster writes? (nm) » Phillipa, posted by fayeroe on August 25, 2008, at 16:04:34
If you mean babblemail the deputies can read them. Phillipa
Posted by fayeroe on August 25, 2008, at 19:44:58
In reply to Re: AND if you don't know what the poster writes? » fayeroe, posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 19:38:23
> If you mean babblemail the deputies can read them. Phillipa
I was talking about the tone of the poster's writings. I did not know what I was getting into.
Posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 20:14:02
In reply to Re: AND if you don't know what the poster writes? » Phillipa, posted by fayeroe on August 25, 2008, at 19:44:58
Pat just don't understand what you're saying. Got work to do now my online business. Phillipa
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 25, 2008, at 20:20:40
In reply to Re: AND if you don't know what the poster writes? » fayeroe, posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 19:38:23
> If you mean babblemail the deputies can read them. Phillipa
To clarify, we definitely *cannot* read anyone's Babblemails, not unless a poster deliberately forwards them to us using the Notification function, which is/should only be because there is a concern with civility, etc. We really have no desire to get involved with anyone's personal, private conversations unless absolutely necessary.
And even then, I don't recall deputies getting involved in actions regarding Babblemails violating guidelines in the past. I think we've called on Dr. Bob to determine how to proceed, as it's not quite as straightforward as when we do things based on public posts. I don't mean the civility standards aren't the same, I just mean the mechanism isn't really in place, to let someone know that they were warned, and/or why, when the problem happened behind the scenes, etc. To me, it's much more awkward and I am unsure as to how to proceed at times - to make deputy actions involving off-board behaviors clear and understandable, yet still protect everyone's privacy while doing so. In fact, the more I think, the more I recall I've never done it, although the others deputies may have.
Phillipa, I think fayeroe was asking you what other posters could do if they don't "know what a poster writes" - before opening that person's posts, because you said, "and if you don't like it, don't read it." Oftentimes, subject lines really don't give you much idea what might be in the post itself.
But I'll bet she will post to clear that up if I am mistaken.
Posted by fayeroe on August 25, 2008, at 20:39:01
In reply to Re: AND if you don't know what the poster writes? » Phillipa, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 25, 2008, at 20:20:40
"But I'll bet she will post to clear that up if I am mistaken."
How much?
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 26, 2008, at 14:25:57
In reply to Re: There are no 'adult content' warnings, posted by rskontos on August 25, 2008, at 15:41:30
Regarding the use of what some people term "colourful" language on the boards, I've found that many use some type of block to cross letters/censor out and such. I do that. There hasn't been any problems with this method. I don't really understand then what the issue is now? Also, people from different social classes and functioning levels post on here, and one poster explained that they could not communicate very well by typing. Maybe the person has a cognitive disability? They shouldn't be singled out just because they can't communicate so well, or if their communication is a very deep struggle, or their vocabulary is limited.
Just 'live and let live' I say.
Jay
Posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 26, 2008, at 15:43:13
In reply to Can we not just all be happy campers? :), posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 26, 2008, at 14:25:57
I could be happier if I didn't feel putdown for having a concern and an adm question and if I could get an answer from Dr. Bob, whatever that may be.
My topic, AGAIN, is not a question of should or should not something be a concern. Mine is a question to adm. as to: According to the quidelines and the type of boards these are, should the be content allowable? Anyone is free to read more into my concern but I can assure what I've inquired about is what I am inquiring about...
I used to think adm silence was an answer but now I think it's a sign that there's not alot of caring and attention from Dr. Bob.
I respect your views, I would ask the same from you please. If your issue is with the civility rules or the amount of censoring you feel happens here or whathaveyou, you have an option of taking that up with the adm just as I am doing now with something of concern to me. I would hope I would not cause any to feel badly about their opinions or having a concern even if I did not agree with the viewpoint.
Posted by fayeroe on August 26, 2008, at 18:01:53
In reply to Re: Can we not just all be happy campers? :) » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 26, 2008, at 15:43:13
> I could be happier if I didn't feel putdown for having a concern and an adm question and if I could get an answer from Dr. Bob, whatever that may be.
Same here.
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> My topic, AGAIN, is not a question of should or should not something be a concern. Mine is a question to adm. as to: According to the quidelines and the type of boards these are, should the be content allowable? Anyone is free to read more into my concern but I can assure what I've inquired about is what I am inquiring about...Same song, second verse.
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> I used to think adm silence was an answer but now I think it's a sign that there's not alot of caring and attention from Dr. Bob.Agreed.
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> I respect your views, I would ask the same from you please. If your issue is with the civility rules or the amount of censoring you feel happens here or whathaveyou, you have an option of taking that up with the adm just as I am doing now with something of concern to me. I would hope I would not cause any to feel badly about their opinions or having a concern even if I did not agree with the viewpoint.Thanks! Pat
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 26, 2008, at 20:29:07
In reply to Re: Can we not just all be happy campers? :) » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 26, 2008, at 15:43:13
Pls read the FAQ...
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 27, 2008, at 12:28:09
In reply to So, you are calling a certain post 'uncivil'? » Hygieia's Bowl, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 26, 2008, at 20:29:07
I am sorry if I came across as passive-aggressive. There is way too much of that in this world as it is. Let's break out the Peace Pipe.:)
Jay
Posted by Deputy Dinah on August 27, 2008, at 13:40:33
In reply to Re: I'm Sorry...that was a dumb ? » Hygieia's Bowl, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 27, 2008, at 12:28:09
For the apology.
Posted by Deputy Dinah on August 27, 2008, at 14:03:07
In reply to Thanks Jay » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by Deputy Dinah on August 27, 2008, at 13:40:33
Hygieia's Bowl is correct in that this is the proper place to ask for clarification on site guidelines or changes in site guidelines. Thank you for that excellent clarification.
If you have an issue with a specific post not being in accordance with site guidelines, you should use the notify administrators function, *and* not post anything on board about it. The purpose of the button is to do report it *instead* of posting about it on board.
Also, a bit of patience is needed at times. Deputies are quicker than Dr. Bob, but there are times when it still takes a while. This week I was tied up, and Racer was tied up, and 10derheart had to make up for both of us being unavailable in addition to her real life responsibilities. So patience, please. It may be difficult not to post anything when you're upset and Admin feels slow, but posting civilly does require a bit of patience. There are a list of suggestions in the FAQ about what to do when you're feeling upset, in addition to reporting them to Administration.
Finally, about the content of jokes. I don't recall what Dr. Bob's guidance is on this, and we've asked for clarification. When I get it, I'll post it if he doesn't post it himself. In general, emailing him directly will get to his attention faster than posting on Admin, although I'm sure there are exceptions. In the meantime, perhaps those who are posting the jokes could add an "Adult Content" warning, and those who read it and find that a warning maybe should have been posted, just post a simple, nonjudgmental "Adult Content in above post" similar to trigger warnings. It's not required, so it's not against the civility guidelines not to post one. Neither is it against the civility guidelines to post a civil trigger warning.
Posted by Hygieia's Bowl on September 6, 2008, at 16:19:40
In reply to Everyone, Please follow site guidelines, posted by Deputy Dinah on August 27, 2008, at 14:03:07
> Finally, about the content of jokes. I don't recall what Dr. Bob's guidance is on this, and we've asked for clarification. When I get it, I'll post it if he doesn't post it himself.
I do wish there was more from Adm. forthcoming but I'm not seeing it. I have seen Dr. Bob's tracks, so to speak, of late.... Again, I do have find a conflict with the guidelines and this type of content in this type of setting. And on a personal note, for anyone who may think a: "Just lighten up will ya?" is needed, well, in other settings, I might could put others to blush with what is in my joke and dirty word library and prehaps I choose not to due to the setting, the "audience" and the expectations of these boards.I wish this would get addressed. Even in the old days one would get a: "I'm letting it stand" which I guess at this point is assumptive....(sigh).... I'm getting afraid of the next thing to be found posted will be the inclusion of "hilarious" porn links for humour's sake...... : ) or : (
Posted by Deputy Dinah on September 6, 2008, at 20:52:51
In reply to Re: Everyone, Please follow site guidelines, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on September 6, 2008, at 16:19:40
I'm sorry. I've been a bit distracted.
Dr. Bob has reviewed the threads, and if he hasn't posted something on a thread, he's decided to let things stand.
Dr. Bob is not going to make a rule about sexually explicit jokes. The only rule is that words ruled vulgar or usually vulgar by Merriam Webster (in the context used) should be asterisked. Otherwise, it is ok to post an "Adult content in above post" or something like that, as long as it is worded in a neutral or civil way. It wouldn't be ok to post a warning in a way that would be considered uncivil under site policy.
I hope that clarifies Dr. Bob's position, to the best of my understanding.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Jay-_Bravest_Face on September 8, 2008, at 23:37:06
In reply to Re: Everyone, Please follow site guidelines, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on September 6, 2008, at 16:19:40
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> > Finally, about the content of jokes. I don't recall what Dr. Bob's guidance is on this, and we've asked for clarification. When I get it, I'll post it if he doesn't post it himself.
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> I do wish there was more from Adm. forthcoming but I'm not seeing it. I have seen Dr. Bob's tracks, so to speak, of late.... Again, I do have find a conflict with the guidelines and this type of content in this type of setting. And on a personal note, for anyone who may think a: "Just lighten up will ya?" is needed, well, in other settings, I might could put others to blush with what is in my joke and dirty word library and prehaps I choose not to due to the setting, the "audience" and the expectations of these boards.
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> I wish this would get addressed. Even in the old days one would get a: "I'm letting it stand" which I guess at this point is assumptive....(sigh).... I'm getting afraid of the next thing to be found posted will be the inclusion of "hilarious" porn links for humour's sake...... : ) or : (
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>Well, I think it is all culturally subjective. I lived in Copenhagen, Denmark for a year, and have traveled a fair bit through the Netherlands. Their cultural approaches to certain drugs and sex are very, very different from here in N. America. I've asked Bob to please take into consideration that the whole world doesn't revolve around the U.S. and it's culture, norms and laws. I am not saying one is better then the other, just that the fact is there is a great big world out there, and it should be reflected on here.
Jay
Posted by fayeroe on September 9, 2008, at 15:16:53
In reply to Re: Everyone, Please follow site guidelines, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on September 6, 2008, at 16:19:40
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> > Finally, about the content of jokes. I don't recall what Dr. Bob's guidance is on this, and we've asked for clarification. When I get it, I'll post it if he doesn't post it himself.
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> I do wish there was more from Adm. forthcoming but I'm not seeing it. I have seen Dr. Bob's tracks, so to speak, of late.... Again, I do have find a conflict with the guidelines and this type of content in this type of setting. And on a personal note, for anyone who may think a: "Just lighten up will ya?" is needed, well, in other settings, I might could put others to blush with what is in my joke and dirty word library and prehaps I choose not to due to the setting, the "audience" and the expectations of these boards.
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> I wish this would get addressed. Even in the old days one would get a: "I'm letting it stand" which I guess at this point is assumptive....(sigh).... I'm getting afraid of the next thing to be found posted will be the inclusion of "hilarious" porn links for humour's sake...... : ) or : (I agree with you..my objections are known here and I even listed several words that can be slipped in that are sexual when they are in the "guise" of a "funny" joke. .......I don't guess it matters now. The word has come down from Administration and we'll just have to live with it. I don't care what country this website originates from.....decency is the same in South America, Sweden, etc. etc. Americans don't have a monopoly on good taste.
I think that a warning should be in the subject line and I'll go so far as suggesting that a forum be established for such jokes.
There isn't any limit here on anyone of any age participating. Doesn't that bother anyone?
Guess not. Administration? No. Some posters? No.
P
Posted by Hygieia's Bowl on September 9, 2008, at 16:05:50
In reply to Re: Everyone, Please follow site guidelines » Hygieia's Bowl, posted by fayeroe on September 9, 2008, at 15:16:53
Given this quote from Dr. Bob - the link I posted in the beginning of the thread. Emphasis (**) placed by me:
-"Fun that's uncivil can be fun, **but doesn't fit with the mission here.** But there are plenty of other sites for that, and people here can probably suggest some. And you can stay here, too, it's not either-or.If you want to have some civil fun, be the change you wish to see and post something fun here! Well, not *right* here, but on another board. :-)
Bob"-
I really do not understand however, I can, I guess accept or perhaps see it as a deal breaker.
As I've posted over and over, as far as the factor of offensiveness: It is not about if it SHOULD be offensive but about the fact that some posters DO find it offensive - and yes, depending on the specific content - hurtful, demeaning and degrading. It would appear the needs of others to post such trumps the sensitivity of others to the content.
I do appreciate your support.
Posted by fayeroe on September 13, 2008, at 19:06:20
In reply to Re: » fayeroe, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on September 9, 2008, at 16:05:50
This is the end of the thread.
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