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Posted by Hana on August 31, 2016, at 12:45:00
My anhedonia is caused by SSRIs withdrawal I quit taking them a long time ago (since March this year). I only have social anxiety no depression.
I've been taking Brintellix for a month and a half now. Its effect is mild on SA but unfortunately it did not treat the anhedonia. It actually made it much much worse. Also, B has given me very STRONG sexual side effects. I have ZERO sex drive. The last time I watched porn was like 2 months ago. Now I'm thinking of trying another med, one that treats the f anhedonia. Anyone has suggestions? I don't want to try any APs. My pdoc suggested taking Pristiq.
Posted by linkadge on August 31, 2016, at 13:09:59
In reply to Which AD treats anhedonia?, posted by Hana on August 31, 2016, at 12:45:00
Yeah AP's will not treat anhedonia.
You could change to (or augment with) something like bupropion or nortriptyline. Pristiq or Effexor could be worth a shot.
Linkadge
Posted by Christ_empowered on August 31, 2016, at 14:57:25
In reply to Which AD treats anhedonia?, posted by Hana on August 31, 2016, at 12:45:00
I agree with linkadge on adding or switching to wellbutrin. I've never taken nortiptylene, so I can't comment on that.
Wellbutrin has helped me immensely without too much in the way of side effects, and without all the apathy that comes with ssri and snri drugs. I take the SR, but there's a 1x daily version out, too.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 31, 2016, at 17:10:17
In reply to Which AD treats anhedonia?, posted by Hana on August 31, 2016, at 12:45:00
> My anhedonia is caused by SSRIs withdrawal I quit taking them a long time ago (since March this year). I only have social anxiety no depression.
>
> I've been taking Brintellix for a month and a half now. Its effect is mild on SA but unfortunately it did not treat the anhedonia. It actually made it much much worse. Also, B has given me very STRONG sexual side effects. I have ZERO sex drive. The last time I watched porn was like 2 months ago. Now I'm thinking of trying another med, one that treats the f anhedonia. Anyone has suggestions? I don't want to try any APs. My pdoc suggested taking Pristiq.Hana,
What good would it do if you tried all of the drugs being promoted here for you when you are suffering from the effects from the drugs that you have already taken by your psychiatrist' recommendation? Your anhedonia you say is caused by the drugs and that is in the medical literature. You say B made your anhedonia worse and that could be.
Yet today, you are asking for readers here to tell you of another drug to take. What kind of person seeing that you are suffering from these drugs advocate for you to take more drugs?
You see, these drugs are not medicines for they do not treat a disease or cure. They cause disease that can have no cure. They are nerve agents used in insecticides and rat poison and worm killers and used in the commission of mass-murder. They addict and cause life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands of innocent people are killed by these drugs each month and this site promotes these drugs without stating the horrible consequences that could befall you. I question the legality of Mr. Hsiung not interceding to warn of the dangers of these drugs. Readers could be deceived to think that these drugs are safer than they really are and be killed by them, and if not killed, have a lifetime of misery from these drugs.
The people telling you to take a drug here are allowed with impunity to leave out the tragic consequences from the drugs. They have their reward.
Lou
Posted by linkadge on August 31, 2016, at 17:15:19
In reply to Lou's urgent wanring- they have their reward » Hana, posted by Lou Pilder on August 31, 2016, at 17:10:17
Posted by AlexCanada on September 1, 2016, at 8:22:39
In reply to Lou's urgent wanring- they have their reward » Hana, posted by Lou Pilder on August 31, 2016, at 17:10:17
The ultimate irony is that you are killing people with your senseless crusade to have people stop taking their life saving medications.How many have lost their lives due to misery and suicide because of your discouragement? You offer no viable alternatives and thrive upon their suffering.
It astounds me how anyone here is willing to tolerate you.
> > My anhedonia is caused by SSRIs withdrawal I quit taking them a long time ago (since March this year). I only have social anxiety no depression.
> >
> > I've been taking Brintellix for a month and a half now. Its effect is mild on SA but unfortunately it did not treat the anhedonia. It actually made it much much worse. Also, B has given me very STRONG sexual side effects. I have ZERO sex drive. The last time I watched porn was like 2 months ago. Now I'm thinking of trying another med, one that treats the f anhedonia. Anyone has suggestions? I don't want to try any APs. My pdoc suggested taking Pristiq.
>
> Hana,
> What good would it do if you tried all of the drugs being promoted here for you when you are suffering from the effects from the drugs that you have already taken by your psychiatrist' recommendation? Your anhedonia you say is caused by the drugs and that is in the medical literature. You say B made your anhedonia worse and that could be.
> Yet today, you are asking for readers here to tell you of another drug to take. What kind of person seeing that you are suffering from these drugs advocate for you to take more drugs?
> You see, these drugs are not medicines for they do not treat a disease or cure. They cause disease that can have no cure. They are nerve agents used in insecticides and rat poison and worm killers and used in the commission of mass-murder. They addict and cause life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands of innocent people are killed by these drugs each month and this site promotes these drugs without stating the horrible consequences that could befall you. I question the legality of Mr. Hsiung not interceding to warn of the dangers of these drugs. Readers could be deceived to think that these drugs are safer than they really are and be killed by them, and if not killed, have a lifetime of misery from these drugs.
> The people telling you to take a drug here are allowed with impunity to leave out the tragic consequences from the drugs. They have their reward.
> Lou
Posted by Hana on September 1, 2016, at 8:29:38
In reply to Re: Which AD treats anhedonia?, posted by linkadge on August 31, 2016, at 13:09:59
Thank you Linkadge and Christ_empowered. My pdoc refused to prescribe Wellbutrin saying that it aggravates anxiety and agitation. Is that true?
Posted by Hana on September 1, 2016, at 9:03:59
In reply to Lou's urgent wanring- they have their reward » Hana, posted by Lou Pilder on August 31, 2016, at 17:10:17
> Hana,
> What good would it do if you tried all of the drugs being promoted here for you when you are suffering from the effects from the drugs that you have already taken by your psychiatrist' recommendation? Your anhedonia you say is caused by the drugs and that is in the medical literature. You say B made your anhedonia worse and that could be.
> Yet today, you are asking for readers here to tell you of another drug to take. What kind of person seeing that you are suffering from these drugs advocate for you to take more drugs?
> You see, these drugs are not medicines for they do not treat a disease or cure. They cause disease that can have no cure. They are nerve agents used in insecticides and rat poison and worm killers and used in the commission of mass-murder. They addict and cause life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands of innocent people are killed by these drugs each month and this site promotes these drugs without stating the horrible consequences that could befall you. I question the legality of Mr. Hsiung not interceding to warn of the dangers of these drugs. Readers could be deceived to think that these drugs are safer than they really are and be killed by them, and if not killed, have a lifetime of misery from these drugs.
> The people telling you to take a drug here are allowed with impunity to leave out the tragic consequences from the drugs. They have their reward.
> LouI wish I've known this before start taking meds. I agree with AlexCanada tho that meds are beneficial and actually very necessary for those with severe MI who cant' live without them. However, meds are definitely not for someone who has a mild MI and is at least able to live with the illness (me). Yes, docs have deceived me. I got addicted to ADs that life without them would be IMPOSSIBLE. That's why I'm still taking them. Thank god. NOT!
Posted by Tabitha on September 1, 2016, at 11:56:01
In reply to Re: Which AD treats anhedonia?, posted by Hana on September 1, 2016, at 8:29:38
> Thank you Linkadge and Christ_empowered. My pdoc refused to prescribe Wellbutrin saying that it aggravates anxiety and agitation. Is that true?
I experienced severe irritability on Wellbutrin. I didn't stay on it long enough to see if it would resolve over time.
Posted by Christ_empowered on September 1, 2016, at 13:15:47
In reply to Re: Which AD treats anhedonia? » Hana, posted by Tabitha on September 1, 2016, at 11:56:01
for me...wellbutrin has been a godsend. My diagnosis is Bipolar I of some sort. I have obsessive traits, but not full on OCD.
Wellbutrin can make anxiety worse in some people, or cause anxiety. For me, its been the opposite. I don't think I'm all that unusual, either. I think it depends on the person, of course, but...I seem to recall reading that some forms of anxiety actually respond well to stimulants and more stimulating AD drugs.
I'm sorry you're stuck on AD drugs ((I read your response to Lou)). There are some websites...surviving antidepressants, mad in america, etc. that might be helpful for you. For some people with less severe problems, the solution seems to be an extremely slow, cautious taper. Some people also add in various supplements, psychotherapy, etc.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 1, 2016, at 16:44:05
In reply to Which AD treats anhedonia?, posted by Hana on August 31, 2016, at 12:45:00
Usally dopamingeric antidepressants, such as Wellbutrin and Parnate are ones that will bump up your dopamine levels....wellbutrin is not really strong on dopamine, but it still has a notable effect from rep-take inhibition. Also Ensam would be a good choice
and of course the stimulants.....like ritilin and ampetetamine but they act more like stimulants than antidepressants, yet you will notice an improved mood during their duration of action but they typically are not antidepressants, they can added on to antidepressants such as wellbutrin, and parnate......which would significantly increase dopamine in the brain
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2016, at 10:44:20
In reply to You are killing people, posted by AlexCanada on September 1, 2016, at 8:22:39
>
> The ultimate irony is that you are killing people with your senseless crusade to have people stop taking their life saving medications.
>
> How many have lost their lives due to misery and suicide because of your discouragement? You offer no viable alternatives and thrive upon their suffering.
>
> It astounds me how anyone here is willing to tolerate you.
>
> > > My anhedonia is caused by SSRIs withdrawal I quit taking them a long time ago (since March this year). I only have social anxiety no depression.
> > >
> > > I've been taking Brintellix for a month and a half now. Its effect is mild on SA but unfortunately it did not treat the anhedonia. It actually made it much much worse. Also, B has given me very STRONG sexual side effects. I have ZERO sex drive. The last time I watched porn was like 2 months ago. Now I'm thinking of trying another med, one that treats the f anhedonia. Anyone has suggestions? I don't want to try any APs. My pdoc suggested taking Pristiq.
> >
> > Hana,
> > What good would it do if you tried all of the drugs being promoted here for you when you are suffering from the effects from the drugs that you have already taken by your psychiatrist' recommendation? Your anhedonia you say is caused by the drugs and that is in the medical literature. You say B made your anhedonia worse and that could be.
> > Yet today, you are asking for readers here to tell you of another drug to take. What kind of person seeing that you are suffering from these drugs advocate for you to take more drugs?
> > You see, these drugs are not medicines for they do not treat a disease or cure. They cause disease that can have no cure. They are nerve agents used in insecticides and rat poison and worm killers and used in the commission of mass-murder. They addict and cause life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands of innocent people are killed by these drugs each month and this site promotes these drugs without stating the horrible consequences that could befall you. I question the legality of Mr. Hsiung not interceding to warn of the dangers of these drugs. Readers could be deceived to think that these drugs are safer than they really are and be killed by them, and if not killed, have a lifetime of misery from these drugs.
> > The people telling you to take a drug here are allowed with impunity to leave out the tragic consequences from the drugs. They have their reward.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
Alex writes,[...you are killing people with your
senseless crusade to have people stop taking their life saving medications...].
This defaming statement being allowed by Mr. Hsiung as the accusation of me being a murderer is being allowed by Hsiung to be seen as being supportive. This all goes along with Hsiung using third-party posters to allow hatred toward the Jews to be seen as civil by him.
The accusation is patently false and defaming. It is in the historical record as anti-Semitic propaganda allowed to arouse hatred toward the Jews. Hsiung likely knows that the laws in our jurisdiction allows him for now to permit third party posters to post defamation against me with him not having to be responsible for allowing it.
That does not change his duty and obligation to fulfill his advertisement of his site here as being for support and education. So by him refusing to apply his sanctions to what is not supportive, readers could be seriously misled and actually become confused as to what support and education are. This amounts to what could be deemed false advertising of his site and draw into his members Jew-haters and other racist thinking to be pandered here as being in what Hsiung's thinking constitutes being good for him and his community as a whole. That could draw terrorists and hate mongers here what a subset of readers could think is how he wants to create and develop the mind set of readers to think of anti-Semitism and hate to be supportive.
You see, anti-Semitism means against the Jew. By Alex being allowed by Hsiung to post that I am killing people, others could think that Jews intend to kill people by exposing that these drugs are not medicines for they do not treat a disease, nor do they cure. They are nerve agents that addict, create life-ruining conditions and kill thousands of people every month. So Alex can influence readers against Jews as against me is allowed by Hsiung to vulnerable readers and this site has those readers. Hsiung does not correct this from Alex so that readers could be seriously misled. That in my opinion is false advertising of his site as he does not follow his own policies. He does not disclose the horrific consequences that could befall readers from allowing Alex and others to post defamation against me with accusations that I question the legality of being allowed by Hsiung.
You see, I am not telling people to stop taking their drugs as Alex accuses me of here. In fact I have stated over and over for those in withdrawal that they could kill themselves and/or others in that state. But the horrific violation of false advertising is that Hsiung prohibits me from posting what I could post that could lead those in withdrawal to life free of addiction and escape the harm from withdrawal. That would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that he prohibits which a subset of jurist could see as an anti-Semitic policy. That could be deemed as an anti-Semitic policy by him as the foundation of hatred toward the Jews is allowed to be posted here to be seen as being supportive. Anti-Semitism can also be anti-Judaism. So prohibiting the Jewish perspective could be tantamount to promoting European Fascism of the era of time that resulted in millions of Jewish children being murdered along with million of other Jews.
Those of you wanting to be unshackled from these drugs can be set back and go into a deeper darkness by Hsiung keeping you from hearing from me as Alex is allowed to defame me and you could think that Hsiung wants that as he allows it by Alex. But I say to you, that those that are killed here by Hsiung prohibiting me to speak and allowing Alex and others to seriously mislead you about me, those killed and addicted and have life-ruining conditions because the were disallowed to hear from me by Hsiung, their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by linkadge on September 2, 2016, at 10:46:08
In reply to Lou's waring about Alex in concert with Mr.Hsiung » AlexCanada, posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2016, at 10:44:20
Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 2, 2016, at 11:04:32
In reply to Lou's waring about Alex in concert with Mr.Hsiung » AlexCanada, posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2016, at 10:44:20
I was also offended by that post Lou Pilder. Very unhappy with these posts!
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2016, at 11:12:26
In reply to Re: Lou, You're Wrong - It's that Simple (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by linkadge on September 2, 2016, at 10:46:08
linkadge,
Do you want to still my voice here?
Lou
Posted by linkadge on September 2, 2016, at 12:42:03
In reply to Lou's response-defame the Jew » linkadge, posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2016, at 11:12:26
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2016, at 8:48:16
In reply to Lou you're wrong - it's that simple. (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by linkadge on September 2, 2016, at 12:42:03
Friends,
The poster here along with Mr. Hsiung is allowed to post defamation toward me that could seriously mislead you to your deaths.
Mr. Hsiung has set up a pathway to your deaths and if not that you are killed by the drugs being allowed to be promoted here, and defamation against me and the Jews, a lifetime of misery and addiction could happen to yo.
What Mr. Hsiung is doing is nothing new. It is an old tactic to allow others to carry out hatred toward the Jews here as being seen as civil and supportive. This is the old mantra of European Fascism as doing what will be for the common good, which is analogous to ding what will be good for his community here as a whole as he thinks. This means that even if people are killed by him allowing posters here to defame me and the Jews, it is justified in his mind just as those that said the same thing before they were executed as war criminals.
You can contimnue playing the horrible distorted music here in the orchestra of hate conducted by Mr. Hsiung leading those posting hate against me here to produce the awful music of death. Or you could leave the orchestra and sing a new song, a song of life and life more abundantly. Mr. Hsiung has changed his rules to accommodate hate. This turns my stomach
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20131217/msgs/1057671.html
Posted by linkadge on September 3, 2016, at 9:41:00
In reply to Lou's response-sing me a song of hate? » linkadge, posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2016, at 8:48:16
Posted by SLS on September 25, 2016, at 8:52:36
In reply to Which AD treats anhedonia?, posted by Hana on August 31, 2016, at 12:45:00
> My anhedonia is caused by SSRIs withdrawal I quit taking them a long time ago (since March this year). I only have social anxiety no depression.
>
> I've been taking Brintellix for a month and a half now. Its effect is mild on SA but unfortunately it did not treat the anhedonia. It actually made it much much worse. Also, B has given me very STRONG sexual side effects. I have ZERO sex drive. The last time I watched porn was like 2 months ago. Now I'm thinking of trying another med, one that treats the f anhedonia. Anyone has suggestions? I don't want to try any APs. My pdoc suggested taking Pristiq.I just switched from Abilify (aripiprazole) to Rexulti (brexpiprazole). I find that Rexulti is superior such as to improve anhedonia, and increase interest and motivation. Rexulti should be less apt than Abilify to produce akathisia based upon its reduced intrinsic D2 activity. I tried Vraylar (cariprazine). Within a week, I felt terrible. I was expecting a much better response from it compared to Abilify. It is the AP that has the highest ratio of D3/D2 receptors binding, which I thought would improve anhedonia the most.
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