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Posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 17:43:25
In reply to Re: Bye » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on April 29, 2015, at 17:03:54
> Lou SLS is not a child. He is quite capable of making his own decisions with out your input
Friends,
It is written above. But even if Scott is capable of making his own decisions, readers here trying to make a more informed decision could be deceived into thinking that taking all those drugs together could be safe to do and that it is supportive here for others to do the same. That is the issue at hand here, that readers seeing that there is no intervention by Mr. Hsiung or any deputy of record that taking the drugs together could cause death, readers could then think that it is supportive to do what Scott id doing because support takes precedence here.
I would like to have dialog here with the prescriber of all those drugs that are prescribed to Scott. Anna Nicole Smith died from taking a combination of drugs. You see, the effects of taking a combination of these drugs are increased exponentially and the ones that Scott lists as taking could induce serotonin syndrome that could cause death. And as well, thinking could be impaired so that it may not be possible for Scott to make the best decision as to take Saphris or not with all the other drugs that he takes.
The Dr that prescribed the drugs that killed Anna Nicole Smith escaped imprisonment. but there could be other jurisdictions that could hold a doctor liable for Scott's death if he dies from all of these drugs listed by him. For the literature states that they could induce death taken together and the prescriber could know that. I want readers to know that just because Scott has a prescriber for all of these drugs together, that does not mean that the drugs could not kill him or kill a reader that acts on what they see here thinking that it is supportive in Mr. Hsiung's thinking for one to take these drugs together.
Lou
Posted by 10derheart on April 29, 2015, at 21:44:06
In reply to Lou's response-ardayleebred, posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 15:07:06
Posted by 10derheart on April 29, 2015, at 22:05:35
In reply to Lou's response-dethbycombo » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 17:43:25
Posted by SLS on April 29, 2015, at 23:26:49
In reply to Re: Bye » Lou Pilder (nm), posted by 10derheart on April 29, 2015, at 22:05:35
Hi, 10der.
My face always lights up whenever I see you posting.
I hope all is well with you.
I was tempted to write a few short paragraphs as a response to the posts of Mr. Pilder. I tend to ignore them, though, and more often don't invest my time to read them at all. Nevertheless, I am glad that there are people who act to challenge him and offer resistance to his proclamations. It is my hope that Mr. Pilder effectively demonstrates to others his level of command of facts and understanding, and the convergence he suggests exists between psychopharmacology and antisemitism.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2015, at 6:01:52
In reply to Lou's warning-death » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 9:20:00
> Be advised that many can come here to fool you into taking drugs that could addict you, cause a life-ruining condition and cause you to go into a mind-altered state to be compelled to kill yourself and/or others, and even commit mass-murder.
I can second that.
I bought into the Nardil hype and i will never be the same again. Thats a life ruining condition.
Further it has led to an infraction with the law.
Dumb dumb dumb dumb.
I keep browsing dr-bob and i think most people would be better off not trialing thousands of meds. The chance that they harm you is very real. Just as or even more real than the chance that they help.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2015, at 6:10:11
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-death, posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2015, at 6:01:52
> > Be advised that many can come here to fool you into taking drugs that could addict you, cause a life-ruining condition and cause you to go into a mind-altered state to be compelled to kill yourself and/or others, and even commit mass-murder.
And i have taken down my pants infront of alot of people.
Now i walk through town wondering what people remember from my verbal psychotic outbursts and what they might think of me.I have publicly embarassed myself in such a mind-altered state.
Posted by herpills on May 4, 2015, at 12:56:39
In reply to Lou's warning-death » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 9:20:00
Posted by phidippus on May 7, 2015, at 22:20:29
In reply to Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by SLS on April 28, 2015, at 22:31:25
Why?
Eric
Posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 12:42:41
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » SLS, posted by phidippus on May 7, 2015, at 22:20:29
> Why?
>
> EricI have seen a friend experience an antidepressant effect from asenapine, even though it was prescribed for schizoaffective disorder. Some researcher have speculated that it might have an antidepressant effect based on its pharmacodynamic properties. My doctor said that she liked the drug when I asked about it. I had been significantly improved initially. However, the plan was to use asenapine to replace aripiprazole and prevent weight gain. I have deteriorated since reducing aripiprazole from 10 mg/day to 5 mg/day. I am very disappointed by this.
- Scott
Posted by phidippus on May 8, 2015, at 19:17:01
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » phidippus, posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 12:42:41
I thought you did poorly off the Abilify?
Eric
Posted by Phillipa on May 8, 2015, at 19:47:48
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » phidippus, posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 12:42:41
Scott so back on the abilify? P
Posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 20:25:07
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » SLS, posted by Phillipa on May 8, 2015, at 19:47:48
Abilify has been consistently helpful to me in reducing depression. Unfortunately, the weight-gain is not becoming on me. It was my hope to be able to substitute for Abilify using Saphris. For now, I guess it makes sense to explore Saphris to determine its optimal effects before attempting to once again taper the Abilify. I get the feeling that I will need both drugs. Saphris seems to be rather benign, so I have no problem taking it, even when combined with Parnate and Abilify. It is a shame that I would have to take Abilify only for its DA partial agonist activity. However, this is preferable to not responding at all.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on May 8, 2015, at 20:31:04
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 20:25:07
I would guess you have no choice at this point. Sorry the Saphris Didn't pan out at least so far.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2015, at 8:42:55
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 20:25:07
> Abilify has been consistently helpful to me in reducing depression. Unfortunately, the weight-gain is not becoming on me. It was my hope to be able to substitute for Abilify using Saphris. For now, I guess it makes sense to explore Saphris to determine its optimal effects before attempting to once again taper the Abilify. I get the feeling that I will need both drugs. Saphris seems to be rather benign, so I have no problem taking it, even when combined with Parnate and Abilify. It is a shame that I would have to take Abilify only for its DA partial agonist activity. However, this is preferable to not responding at all.
>
>
> - ScottFriends, It is written her,[..Pranate, Saphris and Abilify} as to the drugs being taken in combination by the poster.
Be advised, that when these psychoactive drugs are combined, the adverse effects can be increased exponentially. These effects involving the three drugs are:
[confusion, drowsiness, memory impairment, difficulty concentrating, impairment of thinking and judgment, rapid heart beat and other systematic effects from the chemicals in the drugs].
So even if taking these three drugs together could give the person a lift for a time, I ask you to ask yourself at what cost? And could not the life be from the placebo effect? And could there not be a better way?
The aspects of the consequences from taking the three drugs together could cause death, death by accident from confusion and impairment of thinking. I do not advise anyone to drive a car under these drugs, or go to a subway or near a high cliff.
And you mothers, would you want your child to look as they are a zombie with a look of lifelessness from the drowsiness and confusion as just one of the things the drugs could do to your child if you allowed a psychiatrist to drug your child with these drugs?
I ask readers to step back and look at what is being allowed to be promoted here as "being supportive". You may think that because what the poster writes here is standing with impunity by the owner here, that taking all those drugs together is supportive. And I could see how you could think that, for being supportive takes precedence here according to the owner.
Lou
Posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2015, at 13:38:14
In reply to Lou's warning-beengpsupoartiv » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2015, at 8:42:55
Lou,
One thing that I can say about getting treatment for bipolar depression or any serious mental health condition is that it involves making some difficult choices. Many of us on this board make such choices about our treatment on an ongoing basis, and I think that some of our experiences have taught us that the choices we make involve a lot of risk and should not be made without careful consideration. And choosing between the consequences of having an untreated or inadequately treated mental health condition and the possible consequences that certain treatments could bring is indeed difficult. I do think that being supportive can involve offering constructive criticism to members here and/or information about the negative consequences of taking a given treatment action. But at the same time, I think that it's important to recognize that the treatment choices we make are difficult ones and to show some measure of respect for the choices that others make on these forums. Given, among other things, the fact that you stated in this most recent post that something is being "promoted" when the person who started this thread was, in my eyes, merely sharing some details of his treatment, I don't see you showing the same level of respect for the members here at Psycho-Babble that most of us show for one another. Now, I'm not saying that everybody here on Psycho-Babble ought to always agree with one another or that we should refrain from offering constructive criticism to one another, but I do think that all of us here, including you, deserve to be respected.
Tomatheus
Posted by SLS on May 9, 2015, at 21:15:45
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » Lou Pilder, posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2015, at 13:38:14
This is a wonderful post. Thank you for your support and the empathy you demonstrate for the suffering of others and the difficult decisions that they must make.
- Scott===============================================
> Lou,
>
> One thing that I can say about getting treatment for bipolar depression or any serious mental health condition is that it involves making some difficult choices. Many of us on this board make such choices about our treatment on an ongoing basis, and I think that some of our experiences have taught us that the choices we make involve a lot of risk and should not be made without careful consideration. And choosing between the consequences of having an untreated or inadequately treated mental health condition and the possible consequences that certain treatments could bring is indeed difficult. I do think that being supportive can involve offering constructive criticism to members here and/or information about the negative consequences of taking a given treatment action. But at the same time, I think that it's important to recognize that the treatment choices we make are difficult ones and to show some measure of respect for the choices that others make on these forums. Given, among other things, the fact that you stated in this most recent post that something is being "promoted" when the person who started this thread was, in my eyes, merely sharing some details of his treatment, I don't see you showing the same level of respect for the members here at Psycho-Babble that most of us show for one another. Now, I'm not saying that everybody here on Psycho-Babble ought to always agree with one another or that we should refrain from offering constructive criticism to one another, but I do think that all of us here, including you, deserve to be respected.
>
> Tomatheus
Posted by 10derheart on May 9, 2015, at 21:27:33
In reply to Lou's warning-beengpsupoartiv » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2015, at 8:42:55
Posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2015, at 22:09:45
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » Tomatheus, posted by SLS on May 9, 2015, at 21:15:45
Thank you, Scott. As always, I appreciate your positive feedback.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2015, at 22:39:02
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » Lou Pilder, posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2015, at 13:38:14
> Lou,
>
> One thing that I can say about getting treatment for bipolar depression or any serious mental health condition is that it involves making some difficult choices. Many of us on this board make such choices about our treatment on an ongoing basis, and I think that some of our experiences have taught us that the choices we make involve a lot of risk and should not be made without careful consideration. And choosing between the consequences of having an untreated or inadequately treated mental health condition and the possible consequences that certain treatments could bring is indeed difficult. I do think that being supportive can involve offering constructive criticism to members here and/or information about the negative consequences of taking a given treatment action. But at the same time, I think that it's important to recognize that the treatment choices we make are difficult ones and to show some measure of respect for the choices that others make on these forums. Given, among other things, the fact that you stated in this most recent post that something is being "promoted" when the person who started this thread was, in my eyes, merely sharing some details of his treatment, I don't see you showing the same level of respect for the members here at Psycho-Babble that most of us show for one another. Now, I'm not saying that everybody here on Psycho-Babble ought to always agree with one another or that we should refrain from offering constructive criticism to one another, but I do think that all of us here, including you, deserve to be respected.
>
> TomatheusT,
You wrote,[...being promoted...not showing the same levels of respect...].
Scott is posting that he is taking a basket of drugs of which can increase the adverse effects exponentially. If the drugs carry the suicide warning , Scott could have suicidal urges increased exponentially. The addition of Saphris can increase exponentially a distorted thinking to where he could go into a state that he could not be responsible for himself and to make judgments of irrationality to the point of him being killed by the irrational judgments. This could happen to others that take the drugs also. And they may not know of that.
It is my position that since Mr. Hsiung states that support takes precedence, I think that he and any deputy of record has a responsibility and duty to address that taking the drugs that Scott is taking could be involved in their deaths. I base that on the fact that Mr. Hsiung is a psychiatrist that could have the training to know that death could be part of the basket of drugs that Scott is taking and that promoting such a combination is not supportive. If he does not do that, and Scott dies from the drugs, or kills himself, could he not be responsible for Scott's death?
You see, Saphris is a slightly altered chemical used in military purposes that can cause death and cancer. The US stopped using it but other countries use it. Its effects are so horrible that the US could not continue to use it. It was developed out of chemical warfare from WW2. And I think that Mr. Hsiung could intervene when people post that they are taking Saphris with other psychotropic drugs to warn readers of the potential death and suicide that could come to people taking this drug with other drugs to be considered to be supportive. I can not watch people getting the idea that one can take these drugs in combination without Mr. Hsiung telling about the drugs by intervening with a warning. And for all those that have been killed by the drugs here, their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by Tomatheus on May 10, 2015, at 0:10:13
In reply to Lou's reply-dethizpsuportv? » Tomatheus, posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2015, at 22:39:02
Lou,
Perhaps I was wrong in my view of not seeing you show the same level of respect to the members here on Psycho-Babble that most of the members show one another. I do tend to think that you have good intentions and that you sincerely want to make sure that we know about the potential consequences of taking psychiatric medications. On the other side of the coin, I don't see posting about our experiences with psychiatric medications, or hosting a discussion forum where individuals share their experiences with medications and other treatments, as necessarily promoting the medications. I also tended to see your statements about the use of psychiatric medications in pediatric patients as placing unnecessary guilt on those whom you say "promote" psychiatric drugs. Nobody on this thread said anything about children taking psychiatric medications until you did. I think that you most likely want to go out of your way to warn any parents that might read the posts here about the consequences of allowing their children to be prescribed psychiatric medications, but I question the necessity of such a warning, given that 1) the discussions in this thread involve adults sharing their experiences with various medications, 2) medications used by adults are not necessarily approved or recommended for pediatric use, and 3) prescribing decisions are made by medical professionals, who should be aware of the risks of medications and share these risks with the patients and/or their family members.
You probably view the warnings that you give here about psychiatric medications as being measures to prevent harm associated with medication use, but I at least sometimes see the approach that you use (not to mention the way you insert your name into the subject line of all your posts) as being disruptive to the civil discourse that takes place on this forum. I think that many of the individuals who use this forum would like to see Psycho-Babble as a place where they can discuss the treatment of their mental health conditions without feeling judged, but I think that with all of your warnings about death potentially resulting from the medications we take and with you shifting the attention to the consequences of medications in pediatric patients when the discussions involve adult patients taking the medications, Psycho-Babble can't be the kind of discussion forum that many of us here would like for it to be.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 10, 2015, at 9:14:14
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » Lou Pilder, posted by Tomatheus on May 10, 2015, at 0:10:13
> Lou,
>
> Perhaps I was wrong in my view of not seeing you show the same level of respect to the members here on Psycho-Babble that most of the members show one another. I do tend to think that you have good intentions and that you sincerely want to make sure that we know about the potential consequences of taking psychiatric medications. On the other side of the coin, I don't see posting about our experiences with psychiatric medications, or hosting a discussion forum where individuals share their experiences with medications and other treatments, as necessarily promoting the medications. I also tended to see your statements about the use of psychiatric medications in pediatric patients as placing unnecessary guilt on those whom you say "promote" psychiatric drugs. Nobody on this thread said anything about children taking psychiatric medications until you did. I think that you most likely want to go out of your way to warn any parents that might read the posts here about the consequences of allowing their children to be prescribed psychiatric medications, but I question the necessity of such a warning, given that 1) the discussions in this thread involve adults sharing their experiences with various medications, 2) medications used by adults are not necessarily approved or recommended for pediatric use, and 3) prescribing decisions are made by medical professionals, who should be aware of the risks of medications and share these risks with the patients and/or their family members.
>
> You probably view the warnings that you give here about psychiatric medications as being measures to prevent harm associated with medication use, but I at least sometimes see the approach that you use (not to mention the way you insert your name into the subject line of all your posts) as being disruptive to the civil discourse that takes place on this forum. I think that many of the individuals who use this forum would like to see Psycho-Babble as a place where they can discuss the treatment of their mental health conditions without feeling judged, but I think that with all of your warnings about death potentially resulting from the medications we take and with you shifting the attention to the consequences of medications in pediatric patients when the discussions involve adult patients taking the medications, Psycho-Babble can't be the kind of discussion forum that many of us here would like for it to be.
>
> TomatheusT,
You wrote,[...perhaps I was wrong...].
When people post judgments about me here, perhaps they are, indeed, wrong. And, perhaps, you may also be wrong about other things about me. And, perhaps, you may also be wrong about other things. And, perhaps, Scott may be wrong. And, perhaps, Mr. Hsiung may be wrong. And, perhaps, the psychiatrist/doctor prescribing the basket of drugs to Scott may be wrong. And, perhaps, Lou may be right.
You wrote,[...I see the approach that you use as being disruptive to the civil discourse here...without feeling *judged*...PB can't be (because of you, Lou)...].
What you have posted could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me. It could put me in a false light depicting me as disrupting this forum because of what my point of view is and judging others and my being depicted as a scapegoat for your real or imagined worries that this form *can't be* because I post what I post.. That could stigmatize me because Mr. Hsiung states that if he does not sanction you, what you wrote about me is not against his rules. And worse, he has stated that if he leaves what could be against his rules to be seen as supportive, that it will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking for the unsupportive statement and stigmatizing statements to be seen as supportive, for support takes precedence as he states. That could lead to the deaths of others IMHHHO, that disregard what I warn about here on account of what you have posted here about my character that could be seen as being validated by Mr. Hsiung since he allows what you posted about me to stand.
I am trying to prevent deaths and life-ruining conditions and addictions here by posting facts. Facts that could mark the difference between one being a live person or a corpse. What I post here could give readers information so that they could make a more-informed decision as to take these drugs or not or to drug their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor.
The drugs that Scott takes could kill him. They could also kill anyone else taking those drugs together. I do not see encouraging Scott to continue to take drugs that could cause him to commit suicide to be supportive. On the contrary, I think that it is supportive to warn others of the caliber of disaster indicated by the taking of all those drugs in combination. I do not se my approach as disrupting this forum, but see my approach to save lives by posting facts for support. There is no denying that many of these drugs are chemicals that have their origin in killing not only insects and rats, but also used in the commission of mass-murder. Many are {nerve agents}. They attack, or seize or grab the nerves. And the thousands of people that are killed by the drugs or kill themselves by having suicidal urges induced into them from the drugs, could, perhaps, be alive today if they did not take the drugs. I think that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and also members that know that these drugs have destroyed their lives, have a duty to post here their warnings so that more readers here do not kill themselves or die from the drugs or get a hideous life-ruining condition or addiction from these drugs.
Be advised, that failure to warn of what could cause or contribute to a person's suicide, could in some jurisdictions be held that constitutes being an accessory to suicide. Those jurisdictions will hold that the one's blood that committed suicide be upon those that failed to warn. This could sound far-fetched to you and other readers, but this site goes all over the world to jurisdictions that see people advocating or encouraging people to take combinations of drugs that could kill the person or cause the person to commit suicide, could hold those doing such as contributing to causing the death of the person when they could have prevented it. And the blood of the dead will be upon those that contributed to the death in those jurisdictions.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 10, 2015, at 10:07:08
In reply to Lou's reply-contrib » Tomatheus, posted by Lou Pilder on May 10, 2015, at 9:14:14
> > Lou,
> >
> > Perhaps I was wrong in my view of not seeing you show the same level of respect to the members here on Psycho-Babble that most of the members show one another. I do tend to think that you have good intentions and that you sincerely want to make sure that we know about the potential consequences of taking psychiatric medications. On the other side of the coin, I don't see posting about our experiences with psychiatric medications, or hosting a discussion forum where individuals share their experiences with medications and other treatments, as necessarily promoting the medications. I also tended to see your statements about the use of psychiatric medications in pediatric patients as placing unnecessary guilt on those whom you say "promote" psychiatric drugs. Nobody on this thread said anything about children taking psychiatric medications until you did. I think that you most likely want to go out of your way to warn any parents that might read the posts here about the consequences of allowing their children to be prescribed psychiatric medications, but I question the necessity of such a warning, given that 1) the discussions in this thread involve adults sharing their experiences with various medications, 2) medications used by adults are not necessarily approved or recommended for pediatric use, and 3) prescribing decisions are made by medical professionals, who should be aware of the risks of medications and share these risks with the patients and/or their family members.
> >
> > You probably view the warnings that you give here about psychiatric medications as being measures to prevent harm associated with medication use, but I at least sometimes see the approach that you use (not to mention the way you insert your name into the subject line of all your posts) as being disruptive to the civil discourse that takes place on this forum. I think that many of the individuals who use this forum would like to see Psycho-Babble as a place where they can discuss the treatment of their mental health conditions without feeling judged, but I think that with all of your warnings about death potentially resulting from the medications we take and with you shifting the attention to the consequences of medications in pediatric patients when the discussions involve adult patients taking the medications, Psycho-Babble can't be the kind of discussion forum that many of us here would like for it to be.
> >
> > Tomatheus
>
> T,
> You wrote,[...perhaps I was wrong...].
> When people post judgments about me here, perhaps they are, indeed, wrong. And, perhaps, you may also be wrong about other things about me. And, perhaps, you may also be wrong about other things. And, perhaps, Scott may be wrong. And, perhaps, Mr. Hsiung may be wrong. And, perhaps, the psychiatrist/doctor prescribing the basket of drugs to Scott may be wrong. And, perhaps, Lou may be right.
> You wrote,[...I see the approach that you use as being disruptive to the civil discourse here...without feeling *judged*...PB can't be (because of you, Lou)...].
> What you have posted could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me. It could put me in a false light depicting me as disrupting this forum because of what my point of view is and judging others and my being depicted as a scapegoat for your real or imagined worries that this form *can't be* because I post what I post.. That could stigmatize me because Mr. Hsiung states that if he does not sanction you, what you wrote about me is not against his rules. And worse, he has stated that if he leaves what could be against his rules to be seen as supportive, that it will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking for the unsupportive statement and stigmatizing statements to be seen as supportive, for support takes precedence as he states. That could lead to the deaths of others IMHHHO, that disregard what I warn about here on account of what you have posted here about my character that could be seen as being validated by Mr. Hsiung since he allows what you posted about me to stand.
> I am trying to prevent deaths and life-ruining conditions and addictions here by posting facts. Facts that could mark the difference between one being a live person or a corpse. What I post here could give readers information so that they could make a more-informed decision as to take these drugs or not or to drug their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor.
> The drugs that Scott takes could kill him. They could also kill anyone else taking those drugs together. I do not see encouraging Scott to continue to take drugs that could cause him to commit suicide to be supportive. On the contrary, I think that it is supportive to warn others of the caliber of disaster indicated by the taking of all those drugs in combination. I do not se my approach as disrupting this forum, but see my approach to save lives by posting facts for support. There is no denying that many of these drugs are chemicals that have their origin in killing not only insects and rats, but also used in the commission of mass-murder. Many are {nerve agents}. They attack, or seize or grab the nerves. And the thousands of people that are killed by the drugs or kill themselves by having suicidal urges induced into them from the drugs, could, perhaps, be alive today if they did not take the drugs. I think that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and also members that know that these drugs have destroyed their lives, have a duty to post here their warnings so that more readers here do not kill themselves or die from the drugs or get a hideous life-ruining condition or addiction from these drugs.
> Be advised, that failure to warn of what could cause or contribute to a person's suicide, could in some jurisdictions be held that constitutes being an accessory to suicide. Those jurisdictions will hold that the one's blood that committed suicide be upon those that failed to warn. This could sound far-fetched to you and other readers, but this site goes all over the world to jurisdictions that see people advocating or encouraging people to take combinations of drugs that could kill the person or cause the person to commit suicide, could hold those doing such as contributing to causing the death of the person when they could have prevented it. And the blood of the dead will be upon those that contributed to the death in those jurisdictions.
> LouFriends,
If you are trying to make a more-informed decision as to take this drug here in question, Saphris, or any other mind-altering drug prescribed to you by a psychiatrist/doctor, be advised that just because there are people here advocating the taking of these drugs, which could be a promotion of the drugs because a psychiatrist is allowing these drugs to be called, "medicines", that there is a continue body of research to show that what I am posting about here is correct. I would like for you to read the following so as to have more information concerning that what I am writing here is correct and so you can se the attempts by some here to defame me which could cause you to have the respect and regard and confidence in which I am held to be decreased which IMHHHO could lead to your death or the death of a loved-one that you are taking care of or your child.
You see, I have been wanting to post here about what has been revealed to me as The Great Deception. I am prevented from doing that due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung which I am abiding by. It is my great conviction that if those prohibitions were not made to me here, that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions and addictions could be prevented and you could have a way that has been revealed to me for you to have a way out of the depression and addiction that you could be in and others would not have killed themselves here.
Here is the article
Lou
http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/628/56
Posted by Tomatheus on May 10, 2015, at 12:37:46
In reply to Lou's reply-contrib » Tomatheus, posted by Lou Pilder on May 10, 2015, at 9:14:14
Lou,
You wrote here that I have posted negatively about your character. In writing that I see your approach as being disruptive to this forum and that I don't see Psycho-Babble as a place where members can discuss their treatments without feeling judged with your warnings being here, I did indeed criticize your approach and some of your posts, but I don't see what I wrote as attacking your character. On the contrary, I wrote that you have good intentions and that you sincerely want to make sure that we know of the potential consequences of taking psychiatric medications. As far as I can tell, those are the only things I wrote about your character. By criticizing your approach and some of your posts, I wanted to express how I felt some of your statements affect Psycho-Babble in a negative way, but I did not intend to insult your character, nor do I think I did.
I'm sorry if what I wrote led you to feel accused or put down. It was my goal to offer some constructive criticism and to let you know how I feel some of your statements have a negative impact on this board, but you seem to have viewed my statements as an attack on your character, which again is not what I was aiming to do.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 11, 2015, at 9:21:16
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » Lou Pilder, posted by Tomatheus on May 10, 2015, at 12:37:46
> Lou,
>
> You wrote here that I have posted negatively about your character. In writing that I see your approach as being disruptive to this forum and that I don't see Psycho-Babble as a place where members can discuss their treatments without feeling judged with your warnings being here, I did indeed criticize your approach and some of your posts, but I don't see what I wrote as attacking your character. On the contrary, I wrote that you have good intentions and that you sincerely want to make sure that we know of the potential consequences of taking psychiatric medications. As far as I can tell, those are the only things I wrote about your character. By criticizing your approach and some of your posts, I wanted to express how I felt some of your statements affect Psycho-Babble in a negative way, but I did not intend to insult your character, nor do I think I did.
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> I'm sorry if what I wrote led you to feel accused or put down. It was my goal to offer some constructive criticism and to let you know how I feel some of your statements have a negative impact on this board, but you seem to have viewed my statements as an attack on your character, which again is not what I was aiming to do.
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> TomatheusT,
You wrote,[...your approach..disruptive...members can not discuss their treatment without feeling being judged because you post warnings here, Lou,...your statements affect PB in a negative way...have a negative impact here...because of your warnings and talking about the adverse effects to children given these drugs, PB *cant be*...]
What you have posted about me could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings against me by stigmatization as someone that is doing something that you say to others reading here could in some way bring harm to this community, because you say that this community *can't be* because of what I post.
I feel greatly humiliated by reading that you take upon yourself to post such about what I post, which is supportive and educational in accordance with the mission of this forum and you hold me up as someone that could harm this community for exercising what the mission of this forum is for, which does not make this forum a community that can not be what it is. But it is much more than that. For if you say that I am harming this community by following the mission of this forum, that could cause a specter to be thought by a subset of readers to stigmatize me as someone that harms the community and cause a shame to be cast over me. A subset of readers could think that what you have posted about me could mean that I am a bad person inwardly, as to my character. This could arouse anti-Semitic feelings in a subset of readers because you focused on what I wrote as something that could cause harm to the community while others are not focused by you for what they write. One of the definitions of anti-Semitism is that the Jew is said to bring harm to the community. It is called, {poisoning the well} used in the 1300s to blame the Jews for the Black Death or Bubonic Plague accusing the Jews of poisoning the wells. That was impossible for the Black Death was cause by a rat flea biting the people. If I am causing harm to this community by posting warnings and that children could be harmed by these drugs, which is in accordance with the mission and rules of this forum, then all readers could cause harm here by abiding by the mission and the rules of the forum, yet you single me out as the one that by following the rules, this forum *can't be*.
Lou
Posted by SLS on May 25, 2015, at 9:39:06
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » Lou Pilder, posted by Tomatheus on May 10, 2015, at 12:37:46
Well, I explored Saphris as thoroughly as I could. When I first started taking it, I experienced a significant improvement in depression during weeks 2 and 3 of treatment. Unfortunately, this did not last (tachyphylaxis). Instead, Saphris made me feel worse. I became dysphoric, somewhat diroiented, and experienced suicidal ideation. As an experiment, I discontinued it. I felt better within a two days. I then rechallenged myself with it after a few more days had passed. Within 24 hours, I began to deteriorate again.
I hope others have bettet luck with Saphris than I did.
- Scott
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