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Posted by Linkadge on April 25, 2015, at 18:29:52
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by hello123 on April 24, 2015, at 18:27:21
If he is not listening, maybe it's cause you're not telling him what you want. If he's not giving you what you want, that's a different matter.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 26, 2015, at 9:36:09
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by Linkadge on April 25, 2015, at 18:29:52
Update:
its another day on 15mg Zyprexa (before 12.5mg) and 800 (before 900) mg Seroquel.
The psychosis i experienced two day ago subsided.
I feel content. Almost euphoric. Now i know this initial euphoria is followed by some psychotic symptoms and i am ready for that.
Gone are the days where i ate tons of APs because of an psychotic outburst.
Two days ago i could calm myself down with basically what they teach with CBT. "Yes i think its a conspiracy and everyone is against me, but ITS NOT".
So far so good.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 26, 2015, at 9:36:43
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by Lamdage22 on April 26, 2015, at 9:36:09
> Update:
>
> its another day on 15mg Zyprexa (before 12.5mg) and 800 (before 900) mg Seroquel.I am sorry: before 17.5mg of course!
>
> The psychosis i experienced two day ago subsided.
>
> I feel content. Almost euphoric. Now i know this initial euphoria is followed by some psychotic symptoms and i am ready for that.
>
> Gone are the days where i ate tons of APs because of an psychotic outburst.
>
> Two days ago i could calm myself down with basically what they teach with CBT. "Yes i think its a conspiracy and everyone is against me, but ITS NOT".
>
> So far so good.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 27, 2015, at 9:53:50
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. » burial, posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2015, at 23:10:28
> Mine prescribes me both xanax and valium. Hey after 45 years ridiculous to even think of stopping them
Does it have any effect or are you utterly used to it?
Posted by Phillipa on April 27, 2015, at 19:24:33
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on April 27, 2015, at 9:53:50
Worked til about 12 years ago then started to just make me tired so only take to sleep.
Posted by linkadge on May 2, 2015, at 19:02:15
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on April 27, 2015, at 19:24:33
Psychiatry doesn't destroy you. *You* choose to take the meds. Don't take them, if you don't want to.
Withdrawal doesn't last 5 years.
If the withdrawal lasts 5 years, its because there is an underlying imbalance. If this is case, you need to accept that there is (and may continue to be) something wrong. As such, take the meds if they do more good than harm. Stop taking them, if they do more harm than good.Linkadge
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 5, 2015, at 13:36:12
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by linkadge on May 2, 2015, at 19:02:15
Have i not posted a study that says even people diagnosed with schizophrenia do better long term with less/no meds?
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:47:29
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 5, 2015, at 13:36:12
I would agree with you that psychiatry doesnt destroy people if there wasnt all the propaganda/brainwash associated with it.
Its simply not true.
They are lying.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:59:16
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:47:29
Not even to mention forced drugging.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:01:06
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:59:16
I was pre-psychotic and they didnt leave me much choice wether to take meds or just sit it out.
It is humongous BS.
Chemical inbalance?
Exactly. Thats why i dont want to take meds because they CAUSE it.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:06:08
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:01:06
Why do i have symptoms of low dopamine if my "inbalance is corrected"?
Why do i get akathisia?
We know very little about the brain. Much less than most psychiatrists like to admit.
So please dont burden me with your brainwash.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 6, 2015, at 12:40:07
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:06:08
Friends,
[ youtube, 4yXLlxoGAYk ]
Lou
Posted by hello123 on May 7, 2015, at 0:06:38
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by linkadge on May 2, 2015, at 19:02:15
yeah, psychiatry destroyed me. ive told you about my experience in the past and you choose not to believe it. i was 17 and yes i chose to take the medication. long story short, i grew up a normal kid and about a month into trying these meds, my depression went from what i see now as mild depression caused by normal problems growing up, to being dysfunctional and feeling tortured by my emotions. and after stopping the meds, i stayed like that.
go ahead and blame it on an underlying imballance. but that just means you will continue to be in denial. sure, im just someone on the internet. and you shouldnt believe everything you read online. but, there are many stories online with victims describing how they decided to try psych meds because they believed them to be safe and effective. only to have their lives changed for the worse, with this change being seemingly permanent long after stopping the meds.
and why arent experiences like this expected? after all, we are taking these dumbed down, man made chemicals that are fundamentally a "one size fits all" approach to altering the function of what is as far as we know the most complicated thing in the universe, our brains.
be thankful you havent experienced any life ruining effects from what chemicals youve altered your brain functioning with. but theres a big world out there, filled with millions of genetically different folks, whose brains will react differently to these chemicals.
and the problem is, people arent informed of the worst things these chemicals can do. such as before the suicide warning wasnt put on them, most who took them were clueless about this effect. informed consent changes everything.
Posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 2:05:14
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Linkage, posted by hello123 on May 7, 2015, at 0:06:38
Meds have helped me tremendously. I'm better now than before meds.
Why do you hate meds and psychiatry so much?
Posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 2:11:16
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 5, 2015, at 13:36:12
Why do you think schizo patents do better with no meds? When I was off meds I could not funtion in society. I could not work or get the delusions out of my head. I was crazy!!
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:46:37
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 2:11:16
> Why do you think schizo patents do better with no meds? When I was off meds I could not funtion in society. I could not work or get the delusions out of my head. I was crazy!!
May have been a result of taking the drug before!
http://www.mind-and-brain-blog.de/en/1456/antipsychotika-weniger-ist-wieder-mal-mehr/
This is why i think that. 10 Weeks is not sufficient to predict how drugs impact patients. If you look at it from a perspective of several years, outcomes without neuroleptics are better than with neuroleptics.
Why do i hate psychiatry? Because i am worse than before!
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:47:22
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:46:37
You may have done it too quickly.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:52:53
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:47:22
The thing is, psychosis often goes away without meds.
WIth meds, you rob your body of the chance to do that and you are dependent.
If possible, its better with less neuroleptics.
Posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 3:37:08
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:52:53
I'm thinking about when I was a kid, long before psychiatry. I never did good in school. Even just before getting medicated, I was crazy. I atribute my success to medication. I was sraight A student in college, did good at work. Got my head straight. Kept out of the hospital.
Posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 3:55:54
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:46:37
> > Why do you think schizo patents do better with no meds? When I was off meds I could not funtion in society. I could not work or get the delusions out of my head. I was crazy!!
>
> May have been a result of taking the drug before!
Before takin the drugs I was catatonic and delusional in my aunts house, just watching old movies. Also I would just stand there infront of doors and be totaly out of my mind. I don't remember exactly what I was thinking, but it was holucinating and psychosis. I would see things that just are not real. In a different world. I remember having a lot of fear and anxiety about going places. Like the deli to buy meat. One of my class mates had to tell me to just walk right in there and say I want a pound of roast beef. I could not understand what I was trying to learn in class it was all beyond me and did not make sense. When I went back to school years later and medicated it all made sense. I had no concept on reality back then. I saw things when looking around that were delusional. Seeing things in objects that were just irrational. Like they had meaning. I just do not know how to expain all this. You would have had to be me.>
> http://www.mind-and-brain-blog.de/en/1456/antipsychotika-weniger-ist-wieder-mal-mehr/
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> This is why i think that. 10 Weeks is not sufficient to predict how drugs impact patients. If you look at it from a perspective of several years, outcomes without neuroleptics are better than with neuroleptics.
>
> Why do i hate psychiatry? Because i am worse than before!
>
Posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 3:58:13
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 3:55:54
Meds make me normal.
Posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 4:02:32
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 3:58:13
I was crazy and getting worse for a year before they put me on meds. How can it just go away?
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 7, 2015, at 5:32:33
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 4:02:32
> I was crazy and getting worse for a year before they put me on meds. How can it just go away?
Friends,
The taking of mind-altering drugs can cause an effect, if it is cocaine, or zyprexa or Xanax or beer or vodka or cannabis or tobacco or amphetamine or any other psychoactive drug. The drug does not cure depression or anxiety or such, and there could be side effects that could kill the person or cause them to kill others. This is because the drug does something to the mind, it alters the mind. The drug does not address the cause of the depression, anxiety or such. This is one of the dangers of mind-altering drugs as to if they come from illegal means or the psychiatrist gives you a prescription to buy pharmaceutical drugs that are mind-altering.
To understand a little bit more of what is in discussion here, I would like for you to watch the following video. In order to see the video, go to Google and type in:
[ youtube, cwlDfcc5Z3w ]
Now I do know that somewhere along the way some people will not see this video because I can not post links here due to a prohibition to me by Mr. Hsiung if there is , let's say, a word in the discussion under the video that is prohibited here to post. The rule for posting links, at least to me, is so far-reaching, that in order for me to get this to you, I have to use the way that I am doing it here. I am sorry that you may not see this due to not wanting to take the extra hoops and jumps that are needed to see it and I accept that there will be readers that opt to not do the extra and miss out on what is in the video.
But let us try to understand that I am here to save lives, prevent life-ruing conditions and addictions without cost, which the drugs that the psychiatrist has you go out and pay for, unless you get them free, and profits from you even though the drugs could cause you to kill yourself and /or others.
There are important aspects in the video that you may want to use the pause feature and replay that part. In particular as to concerning those that advocate taking the drugs, as Dr. Breggin covers that.
There will be people here advocating the taking of mind-altering drugs, but one person's testimonial does not translate into annulling the facts that thousands of people die each year from, addict you, give you a life-ruining condition and could cause you to kill yourself or others.
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 6:19:54
In reply to Lou's response-wunpersonstesta » Zyprexa, posted by Lou Pilder on May 7, 2015, at 5:32:33
Zyprexa,
thats an entirely different story than mine.
Posted by Zyprexa on May 8, 2015, at 3:09:00
In reply to Re: Lou's response-wunpersonstesta, posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 6:19:54
Why are you on AP drugs?
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