![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 12 to 36 of 47. Go back in thread:
Posted by linkadge on April 24, 2015, at 16:56:03
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by hello123 on April 24, 2015, at 13:23:58
It really doesn't too much about listening. Let's be honest, we go to them to prescribe meds. There are a dozen people we could go to, if we just wanted to talk.
They just need to fit us into one of 3 boxes.
1) In need of an antidepressant
2) In need of a mood stabilizer
3) In need of an antipsychoticThat's really it. Sure, some psychiatrists think there is an art to the "selection" of one drug over an other, based on symptoms, but there is very little scientific evidence to support that.
If you're angry about the doctor prescribing nardil and then an antipsychotic. Then stop taking them. Sure, you'll go through rebound, but in a few months (or a year) you'll be back to whatever your baseline was. At that point, you can make a decision as to whether you want to go the psychiatry route again.
Posted by hello123 on April 24, 2015, at 18:27:21
In reply to Re: yup yup... » hello123, posted by linkadge on April 24, 2015, at 16:56:03
> It really doesn't too much about listening. Let's be honest, we go to them to prescribe meds. There are a dozen people we could go to, if we just wanted to talk.
>
> They just need to fit us into one of 3 boxes.
>
> 1) In need of an antidepressant
> 2) In need of a mood stabilizer
> 3) In need of an antipsychoticim not referring to needing someone just talk to. and treatment resistant cases can benefit from thinking outside the box. rather than keeping patients in a few different categories. which seems to be how most psychiatrists ive seen work. if your situation has been resistant to treatments, i dont at all intend to be rude, but it seems you would have come to this conclusion. at first, i did just take what ever they handed out. but before too long, i realized no one is going to give a damn as much as i do about my mental health improving. and ive developed a deep interest in understanding how medications effect the brain. ive taken a step back to analyze how i react to various meds, and the reason i might react to them the way i do. and with my situation, it seems counter-productive to just go with a med simply because the FDA says theres a possibility that it might benefit my symptoms. which is how mlst psychiatrists seem to work. non treatment resistant cases might have no problem with that approach. but psychiatrists need to get out of that mindset when treating a patient that is resistant.
Posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2015, at 23:10:28
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by burial on April 24, 2015, at 10:37:11
Mine prescribes me both xanax and valium. Hey after 45 years ridiculous to even think of stopping them
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 25, 2015, at 2:09:30
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. » burial, posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2015, at 23:10:28
Wow i have been quite psychotic yesterday.
But i still had insight...Its rough. Really rough.
But i believe it is better for me long term to withdraw!
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 25, 2015, at 6:46:08
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by Lamdage22 on April 25, 2015, at 2:09:30
i just wonder where to find a supportive doctor to help my quest for less AAPs.
Maybe a non psychiatrist? Psychiatrists all have that "AAPs cause no addiction" brainwash.
I dont need that.
Posted by hello123 on April 25, 2015, at 11:52:31
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by Lamdage22 on April 25, 2015, at 6:46:08
> i just wonder where to find a supportive doctor to help my quest for less AAPs.
>
> Maybe a non psychiatrist? Psychiatrists all have that "AAPs cause no addiction" brainwash.
>
> I dont need that.yep, my experience with family doctors is that theyre less likely to buy in to the propaganda thats been spread about psych meds. but of course theyre also less likely to prescribe anything beyond basic meds like buspar, prozac or cymbalta.
Posted by Linkadge on April 25, 2015, at 18:29:52
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by hello123 on April 24, 2015, at 18:27:21
If he is not listening, maybe it's cause you're not telling him what you want. If he's not giving you what you want, that's a different matter.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 26, 2015, at 9:36:09
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by Linkadge on April 25, 2015, at 18:29:52
Update:
its another day on 15mg Zyprexa (before 12.5mg) and 800 (before 900) mg Seroquel.
The psychosis i experienced two day ago subsided.
I feel content. Almost euphoric. Now i know this initial euphoria is followed by some psychotic symptoms and i am ready for that.
Gone are the days where i ate tons of APs because of an psychotic outburst.
Two days ago i could calm myself down with basically what they teach with CBT. "Yes i think its a conspiracy and everyone is against me, but ITS NOT".
So far so good.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 26, 2015, at 9:36:43
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by Lamdage22 on April 26, 2015, at 9:36:09
> Update:
>
> its another day on 15mg Zyprexa (before 12.5mg) and 800 (before 900) mg Seroquel.I am sorry: before 17.5mg of course!
>
> The psychosis i experienced two day ago subsided.
>
> I feel content. Almost euphoric. Now i know this initial euphoria is followed by some psychotic symptoms and i am ready for that.
>
> Gone are the days where i ate tons of APs because of an psychotic outburst.
>
> Two days ago i could calm myself down with basically what they teach with CBT. "Yes i think its a conspiracy and everyone is against me, but ITS NOT".
>
> So far so good.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 27, 2015, at 9:53:50
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. » burial, posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2015, at 23:10:28
> Mine prescribes me both xanax and valium. Hey after 45 years ridiculous to even think of stopping them
Does it have any effect or are you utterly used to it?
Posted by Phillipa on April 27, 2015, at 19:24:33
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on April 27, 2015, at 9:53:50
Worked til about 12 years ago then started to just make me tired so only take to sleep.
Posted by linkadge on May 2, 2015, at 19:02:15
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on April 27, 2015, at 19:24:33
Psychiatry doesn't destroy you. *You* choose to take the meds. Don't take them, if you don't want to.
Withdrawal doesn't last 5 years.
If the withdrawal lasts 5 years, its because there is an underlying imbalance. If this is case, you need to accept that there is (and may continue to be) something wrong. As such, take the meds if they do more good than harm. Stop taking them, if they do more harm than good.Linkadge
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 5, 2015, at 13:36:12
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by linkadge on May 2, 2015, at 19:02:15
Have i not posted a study that says even people diagnosed with schizophrenia do better long term with less/no meds?
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:47:29
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 5, 2015, at 13:36:12
I would agree with you that psychiatry doesnt destroy people if there wasnt all the propaganda/brainwash associated with it.
Its simply not true.
They are lying.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:59:16
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:47:29
Not even to mention forced drugging.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:01:06
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:59:16
I was pre-psychotic and they didnt leave me much choice wether to take meds or just sit it out.
It is humongous BS.
Chemical inbalance?
Exactly. Thats why i dont want to take meds because they CAUSE it.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:06:08
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:01:06
Why do i have symptoms of low dopamine if my "inbalance is corrected"?
Why do i get akathisia?
We know very little about the brain. Much less than most psychiatrists like to admit.
So please dont burden me with your brainwash.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 6, 2015, at 12:40:07
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:06:08
Friends,
[ youtube, 4yXLlxoGAYk ]
Lou
Posted by hello123 on May 7, 2015, at 0:06:38
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by linkadge on May 2, 2015, at 19:02:15
yeah, psychiatry destroyed me. ive told you about my experience in the past and you choose not to believe it. i was 17 and yes i chose to take the medication. long story short, i grew up a normal kid and about a month into trying these meds, my depression went from what i see now as mild depression caused by normal problems growing up, to being dysfunctional and feeling tortured by my emotions. and after stopping the meds, i stayed like that.
go ahead and blame it on an underlying imballance. but that just means you will continue to be in denial. sure, im just someone on the internet. and you shouldnt believe everything you read online. but, there are many stories online with victims describing how they decided to try psych meds because they believed them to be safe and effective. only to have their lives changed for the worse, with this change being seemingly permanent long after stopping the meds.
and why arent experiences like this expected? after all, we are taking these dumbed down, man made chemicals that are fundamentally a "one size fits all" approach to altering the function of what is as far as we know the most complicated thing in the universe, our brains.
be thankful you havent experienced any life ruining effects from what chemicals youve altered your brain functioning with. but theres a big world out there, filled with millions of genetically different folks, whose brains will react differently to these chemicals.
and the problem is, people arent informed of the worst things these chemicals can do. such as before the suicide warning wasnt put on them, most who took them were clueless about this effect. informed consent changes everything.
Posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 2:05:14
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Linkage, posted by hello123 on May 7, 2015, at 0:06:38
Meds have helped me tremendously. I'm better now than before meds.
Why do you hate meds and psychiatry so much?
Posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 2:11:16
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 5, 2015, at 13:36:12
Why do you think schizo patents do better with no meds? When I was off meds I could not funtion in society. I could not work or get the delusions out of my head. I was crazy!!
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:46:37
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 2:11:16
> Why do you think schizo patents do better with no meds? When I was off meds I could not funtion in society. I could not work or get the delusions out of my head. I was crazy!!
May have been a result of taking the drug before!
http://www.mind-and-brain-blog.de/en/1456/antipsychotika-weniger-ist-wieder-mal-mehr/
This is why i think that. 10 Weeks is not sufficient to predict how drugs impact patients. If you look at it from a perspective of several years, outcomes without neuroleptics are better than with neuroleptics.
Why do i hate psychiatry? Because i am worse than before!
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:47:22
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:46:37
You may have done it too quickly.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:52:53
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:47:22
The thing is, psychosis often goes away without meds.
WIth meds, you rob your body of the chance to do that and you are dependent.
If possible, its better with less neuroleptics.
Posted by Zyprexa on May 7, 2015, at 3:37:08
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you.??, posted by Lamdage22 on May 7, 2015, at 2:52:53
I'm thinking about when I was a kid, long before psychiatry. I never did good in school. Even just before getting medicated, I was crazy. I atribute my success to medication. I was sraight A student in college, did good at work. Got my head straight. Kept out of the hospital.
Go forward in thread:
Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.