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Posted by iris2 on November 10, 2004, at 12:59:15
Wondering what people define as BP2? I read some stuff here that made me think that perhaps taht should be my "label".
Could you explain the diagnosis to me? It could make a difference about what medications I should be trying. I prety much decide what meds I should try myself so I could use all the help I can get.
Thanks,
irene
Posted by Ritch on November 10, 2004, at 13:25:17
In reply to BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression, posted by iris2 on November 10, 2004, at 12:59:15
> Wondering what people define as BP2? I read some stuff here that made me think that perhaps taht should be my "label".
>
> Could you explain the diagnosis to me? It could make a difference about what medications I should be trying. I prety much decide what meds I should try myself so I could use all the help I can get.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ireneHi, I would take a look at this first:
http://www.psycheducation.org/depression/BSDS.htm
and see if this fits you well. If it does, you should see a doctor and tell them about it.
Posted by iris2 on November 10, 2004, at 13:37:29
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression » iris2, posted by Ritch on November 10, 2004, at 13:25:17
Thanks,
I took a look and I am not sure how helpful the tests on the sight were. I kind of score odd becuases of meds I was on too.
irene
Posted by Ritch on November 11, 2004, at 10:14:30
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression » Ritch, posted by iris2 on November 10, 2004, at 13:37:29
> Thanks,
>
> I took a look and I am not sure how helpful the tests on the sight were. I kind of score odd becuases of meds I was on too.
>
> ireneThere are so many substances that people get exposed to which can cause manic symptoms. Someone can smoke grass or drink alcohol, use coke, etc. and obviously experience all sorts of strange reactions. Hangovers (even mild ones) can cause people to rage, get depressed, etc. Prescription drugs are a major precipitator of manic symptoms, too. Antidepressants are the most common ones, but I was given high dose prednisone in the past (for a week) and I had a major manic spinout from that. But... there are some people that get a reaction like that to a certain drug who absolutely have no manic symptoms whatsoever if they aren't exposed to it. I've been off all meds, substances, etc., for lengthy periods and *still* get hypomanic spells. So, I don't dispute the diagnosis. You pretty much have to live with it for several years to really draw a clear picture of what is going on. Hope this helps some.
Posted by iris2 on November 11, 2004, at 13:21:31
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression » iris2, posted by Ritch on November 11, 2004, at 10:14:30
I think that at least most of the time I am not on meds I am very down. Unfortunately I self medicated so much in the past that it is difficult to remember times that I was not and how I was then.
Thanks,
irene
Posted by Shalom34Israel on November 12, 2004, at 19:20:17
In reply to BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression, posted by iris2 on November 10, 2004, at 12:59:15
> Wondering what people define as BP2? I read some stuff here that made me think that perhaps taht should be my "label".
>
> Could you explain the diagnosis to me? It could make a difference about what medications I should be trying. I prety much decide what meds I should try myself so I could use all the help I can get.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ireneHere in Israel, my Israeli psychiatrist explained to me that in America there are many psychiatric fads. One of which is bipolar type II disorder. In Israel we dont have this diagnosis that much. In America, psychiatrists who get poor results look for an escape valve to use as an excuse and oftentimes blame the patient for having bp II.
Come to Israel, better psychiatrists here. You get better results. All jews like myself are crazy so we must have good shrinks here.
Shalom
Posted by Deen Mohd on June 26, 2014, at 11:53:29
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression » iris2, posted by Ritch on November 10, 2004, at 13:25:17
I have took a test at
http://illnessquiz.com/bipolar-test/
and found that i scored high. I know i should not trust the online quiz but after i went to my doctor i was diagnosed with ocd or obsessive disorder and bipolar. I asked my doctor how much time it will take but he laughed .
Please tell me how much time it will take.
Posted by herpills on July 18, 2014, at 20:04:14
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression, posted by Deen Mohd on June 26, 2014, at 11:53:29
> I have took a test at
> http://illnessquiz.com/bipolar-test/
> and found that i scored high. I know i should not trust the online quiz but after i went to my doctor i was diagnosed with ocd or obsessive disorder and bipolar. I asked my doctor how much time it will take but he laughed .
> Please tell me how much time it will take.What do you mean by how much time it will take? Time until remission of symptoms? With the right medications, you could be feeling better in a month. I'm sorry the doctor laughed, that sounds unprofessional. I hope you feel better soon. herpills
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 10, 2014, at 2:56:45
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression » Ritch, posted by iris2 on November 10, 2004, at 13:37:29
I dont think you should decide your diagnosis with reactions to medications. Only if they stay after a med change.
Your diagnosis could temporarily change if you say go manic on Remeron or MAOI. If you discontinued and the symptoms that were med induced STAY then i would consider taking these symptoms into account. If they wane(d) then i wouldnt worry about it.
What is your story behind this. What happened and what meds where you on at the time?
Also you say you decide about meds yourself. Your pdoc just approves everything?
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 10, 2014, at 3:04:17
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression » Deen Mohd, posted by herpills on July 18, 2014, at 20:04:14
Like for me, i went hypomanic on Nardil. It was very pleasurable. At the end i went psychotic on Nardil.
The hypomania disappeared but the psychotic symptoms stayed. So the bipolar diagnosis i had for a while was ditched and i am considered Schizophrenic now or Schizo affective.
I never was hypomanic before or after. Unfortunately. I had a high functioning hypomania that was very pöeasurable.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 10, 2014, at 3:24:12
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression, posted by Lamdage22 on August 10, 2014, at 3:04:17
Actually it shouldnt even temporarily go into diagnosis. Thats a Mistake they made with me.
If its Med induced its not your diagnosis unless it stays with you.
Posted by herpills on August 10, 2014, at 15:39:26
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression, posted by Lamdage22 on August 10, 2014, at 3:04:17
> Like for me, i went hypomanic on Nardil. It was very pleasurable. At the end i went psychotic on Nardil.
>Had you ever experienced psychosis prior to treatment with Nardil?
Posted by herpills on August 10, 2014, at 15:42:33
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression, posted by Lamdage22 on August 10, 2014, at 3:24:12
> Actually it shouldnt even temporarily go into diagnosis. Thats a Mistake they made with me.
>
> If its Med induced its not your diagnosis unless it stays with you.I agree, this idea for example that if you go manic on the SSRIs means you're automatically bipolar never made sense to me. Maybe there's more current research on that, I don't know...
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 11, 2014, at 5:11:54
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression » Lamdage22, posted by herpills on August 10, 2014, at 15:39:26
> > Like for me, i went hypomanic on Nardil. It was very pleasurable. At the end i went psychotic on Nardil.
> >
>
> Had you ever experienced psychosis prior to treatment with Nardil?
>Never!
Just some paranoia the seldom times i have smoked weed. thats it.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 11, 2014, at 5:20:23
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression » Lamdage22, posted by herpills on August 10, 2014, at 15:42:33
> > Actually it shouldnt even temporarily go into diagnosis. Thats a Mistake they made with me.
> >
> > If its Med induced its not your diagnosis unless it stays with you.
>
> I agree, this idea for example that if you go manic on the SSRIs means you're automatically bipolar never made sense to me. Maybe there's more current research on that, I don't know...
It would just translate into more pills. I don't know, maybe adding a mood stabilizer would make sense, but i can't see how you can say with any certainty that this is true bipolar. This is just my personal common sense and not backed up by studies at all. What would Dr Bob say?
Posted by Deen Mohd on May 8, 2016, at 2:41:19
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression » Deen Mohd, posted by herpills on July 18, 2014, at 20:04:14
> > I have took a test at
> > http://illnessquiz.com/bipolar-test/
> > and found that i scored high. I know i should not trust the online quiz but after i went to my doctor i was diagnosed with ocd or obsessive disorder and bipolar. I asked my doctor how much time it will take but he laughed .
> > Please tell me how much time it will take.
>
> What do you mean by how much time it will take? Time until remission of symptoms? With the right medications, you could be feeling better in a month. I'm sorry the doctor laughed, that sounds unprofessional. I hope you feel better soon. herpills
>
Thanks for the suggestions and now i am feeling better and after taken bipolar test i got only 30% score.
http://freebipolartest.com is saying i have 30% chances."
Posted by babbler20 on May 22, 2016, at 21:54:25
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression, posted by Deen Mohd on May 8, 2016, at 2:41:19
Medications are no better than placebo. Watch this 60 Minutes interview with a Harvard Scientist:
Posted by SLS on May 23, 2016, at 7:45:07
In reply to Re: BP2 or Treatment resistant Depression, posted by babbler20 on May 22, 2016, at 21:54:25
> Medications are no better than placebo. Watch this 60 Minutes interview with a Harvard Scientist:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zihdr36WVi4Antidepressants are way better than placebo, as long as you are using them for the illnesses that they are meant to treat.
I'm sorry you had a difficult time with treatment.
- Scott
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