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Posted by Phillipa on March 26, 2014, at 11:43:49
Just reading threads and posts on here. Sounds like quite a few people feel they should never have gone on meds. Or got off them sooner? Or then those that definitely requirement them to Treat severe symptomology diagnosis's which seem to change not by the posters but by science or docs all the time. I for one should have listened to myself years ago yes used the benzos for a period of time. Most like about l0 years and when I wasn't taking them anymore should have not started them. Then when SSRI's came out should have listened to my gut as felt fine and never taken the first pill. So what is your feeling on medications. Most assuredly many do require them. But then seems so many started one which turned into two then three four and more. So if you could do it again what what do you feel you would do? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by gadchik on March 26, 2014, at 11:54:23
In reply to Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by Phillipa on March 26, 2014, at 11:43:49
http://beyondmeds.com/2012/01/10/comingoffpsychdrugs/
I like this guy's take on psych meds-Will Hall-watch his video. I think a psych drug can be useful for short term only. U have to watch this video to really put that into perspective. I took klonopin too long,really, I would've been fine had I used it to calm down, get some sleep then tapered once I'd gotten that episode under control. I employ many things to help myself other than pills & u have to be willing to that to get to where u need to be w/o pills. Im feeling the klonopin really leaving me today, I think. Don't feel well, but the valium is helping so how can I complain too much. I will get completely free of benzos, I will.
Posted by Beckett on March 26, 2014, at 22:13:37
In reply to Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by Phillipa on March 26, 2014, at 11:43:49
Ssri's and benzodiazepines. Benzodiazepines made the anxiety refractory and ssri's created deeper more jagged mood cycles. Some would believe that the worsening mood was progressive, but I disagree. In my case, ssri's were destructive. My problem was that I took them longer than six weeks and that they were prescribed for longer than six weeks. In my own case, they were not appropriate, and studies have observed ssri treatment destabilizes certain individuals.
Imo, in historical context, and factoring for financial corruption, treatment is at least half blind.
Posted by Phillipa on March 26, 2014, at 23:18:18
In reply to Re: Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by Beckett on March 26, 2014, at 22:13:37
Beckett knowing what I didn't think before but not understand I do agree with you.
Posted by Christ_empowered on March 27, 2014, at 11:00:43
In reply to Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by Phillipa on March 26, 2014, at 11:43:49
I dunno. I think Abilify and I may well be life partners.For less severe problems, maybe non-drug solutions would be best.
Posted by merpmerp on March 29, 2014, at 11:42:35
In reply to Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by Phillipa on March 26, 2014, at 11:43:49
I definitely needed meds at a couple of points in my life, no doubts about it. There were times when I was suicidal and needed to be pulled out of that abyss immediately.
Looking back though, all of my depressive episodes were caused by specific situations. I wish I had taken the meds long enough to stabilize and make the needed changes, and then tapered off.
Instead I just kind of continued them for years because of inertia. I'm not sure that was the best thing. They kept me content enough that I didn't really make any needed changes.
> Just reading threads and posts on here. Sounds like quite a few people feel they should never have gone on meds. Or got off them sooner? Or then those that definitely requirement them to Treat severe symptomology diagnosis's which seem to change not by the posters but by science or docs all the time. I for one should have listened to myself years ago yes used the benzos for a period of time. Most like about l0 years and when I wasn't taking them anymore should have not started them. Then when SSRI's came out should have listened to my gut as felt fine and never taken the first pill. So what is your feeling on medications. Most assuredly many do require them. But then seems so many started one which turned into two then three four and more. So if you could do it again what what do you feel you would do? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by Beckett on March 29, 2014, at 15:25:28
In reply to Re: Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some? » Phillipa, posted by merpmerp on March 29, 2014, at 11:42:35
>I I definitely needed meds at a couple of points in my life, no doubts about it. There were times when I was suicidal and needed to be pulled out of that abyss immediately.
Lithium does that for me. I think the two of us will be lifers.
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on March 31, 2014, at 1:03:37
In reply to Re: Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by Beckett on March 29, 2014, at 15:25:28
I think meds alone are the answer for some, therapy alone the answer for others, therapy and meds for some, even if the therapy is just to help you unlearn bad habits you have aquired while you've been ill
Posted by SLS on March 31, 2014, at 15:40:06
In reply to Re: Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on March 31, 2014, at 1:03:37
> I think meds alone are the answer for some, therapy alone the answer for others, therapy and meds for some, even if the therapy is just to help you unlearn bad habits you have aquired while you've been ill
Precisely.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2014, at 20:31:29
In reply to Re: Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some? » jono_in_adelaide, posted by SLS on March 31, 2014, at 15:40:06
What sort of bad habits? Phillipa
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on March 31, 2014, at 22:57:19
In reply to Re: Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2014, at 20:31:29
Well, for me, it was avoiding things that miht bring on a panic attack, and becoming somthing of a recluse, somewhat agrophobic
I managed to break thses habits without a therapist once I was feeling better, but some people need help to get around their personal deamons
Posted by Phillipa on April 1, 2014, at 20:24:45
In reply to Re: Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on March 31, 2014, at 22:57:19
Jono so glad you are doing so well. Did you ever take brand vs generic and notice a difference? Yesterday I wanted to be a recluse so many neighbors outside and all had conversations with. I was overwhelmed with heart rate of 120. Phillipa
Posted by Zyprexa on April 3, 2014, at 21:45:05
In reply to Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by Phillipa on March 26, 2014, at 11:43:49
I wish I had listened to the doctor, when they told me l needed the meds. Instead they put me in mental hospital, and forced me to take them.
Posted by SheSaidWhat on April 4, 2014, at 12:48:54
In reply to Re: Are Meds The Answer For All Or Just Some?, posted by Zyprexa on April 3, 2014, at 21:45:05
Excellent thread!! What a great question to ask. Looking back, I am glad I chose to use meds at the onset of my depression. I firmly believe I would have suicided otherwise. The pain was unbearable and I had no clue how to understand it, let alone cope. I had a toxic family and no support.
But I am also really, really glad that I used therapy and support groups over the years. THAT work has made the most impact in my life. I am not med-free, but I have (safely) gone off most of them. Having said that, if my chemistry gets out of whack, I would not hesitate to see my doc. But overall, at this point, I'm getting older, and I want to rid my body of as many chemicals as possible.
The psych meds roller coaster is bumpy. There are awesome docs & horrible ones. There are some bad meds. Big pharma doesn't care about Joe Blow. Insurance is a PITA. So it's easy to feel overwhelmed by the process. But we are worth the struggle. We each MUST be our own advocate. It is our body, our life, our health. So, although it's a real pain we have a responsibility to ask questions, have a relationship with our pdocs, MDs, therapists and peers. Balance between trusting what you are told and at times doing your own research. Thats HARD when you're at your lowest point.
Keep asking questions. Never stop learning and reaching out like you are now. You're on the right track :-)
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