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Posted by poser938 on June 20, 2013, at 20:59:32
In reply to (2): correction: Lou's reply-, posted by Lou Pilder on June 20, 2013, at 19:09:52
Lou, you do come across as just an alarmist. People aren't going to listen to a thing you say if you keep yelling "fire!".
But to be honest I wish I would have had a legitimate seeming source back in 2005 warning me if the dangers of these meds. If I had that id probably be in a much better place in my life today. And you in no way appear to be a legit source of info, mainly because of your alarmist attitude.I've experienced some of the horrors that these meds can cause. It took over year to realize it was the medicine that was ruining my brain, probably permanently, because my mood stayed low months after stopping the medicine. And now 8 years later my emotional processing is quite a bit deformed.
But what people like to see is a ligitimate source of info. You'renot making yourself appear as one because of your alarmist attitude. Though I do believe using your information would be much better than from 98% of psychiatrist, even though you present it in a flawed way. But the average Joe isn't going to think that.
Posted by vbs on June 20, 2013, at 21:24:38
In reply to Re: Unfounded alarmism » vbs, posted by SLS on June 20, 2013, at 20:11:00
SLS, you're right on - I have schizoaffective disorder. I often wonder if the Cymbalta is aggravating my underlying psychosis. I would think not since it doesn't affect dopamine. I just don't understand why I continue to hear voices despite taking three APs. I opted for the Invega Sustenna injection b/c Saphris & Zyprexa wasn't helping me manage my symptoms. I'm eager to feel better. I may discontinue Cymbalta if I don't feel better in about a week. What anti-depressant would you recommend?
Posted by vbs on June 20, 2013, at 22:31:07
In reply to Re: Lou's reply- » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2013, at 20:18:41
Posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2013, at 23:05:43
In reply to Re: (2): correction: Lou's reply-, posted by poser938 on June 20, 2013, at 20:59:32
Not to Hijack thread but poser what would you have done differently back in 05? Phillipa
Posted by SLS on June 20, 2013, at 23:29:48
In reply to Re: (2): correction: Lou's reply- » poser938, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2013, at 23:05:43
Posted by SLS on June 21, 2013, at 0:10:35
In reply to Re: (2): correction: Lou's reply- » poser938, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2013, at 23:05:43
> > But to be honest I wish I would have had a legitimate seeming source back in 2005 warning me if the dangers of these meds. If I had that id probably be in a much better place in my life today.
> Not to Hijack thread but poser what would you have done differently back in 05? Phillipa
Sorry for the interruption, but I wanted to reset the subject line so as to reflect issues related to the thread. I chose the subject line of the first post by default as a replacement. I guess thread drift is to be expected along with changes made to subject lines as a thread evolves. I am more concerned that threads not devolve.
Phillipa, this is in no way a reflection on you. Personally, I would have preferred that you prevent the propagation of the hijacked subject line by changing its verbiage to one that is relevant to the thread. It is a good habit to get into when someone on the board is intent on repeatedly injecting his name prominently and exclusively in every thread he involves himself in. Such subject lines appear to me as litter. I'm sure it does to lurkers and prospective members, too. It looks like the entire board is devoted to one person. This appearance can be changed with the investment of an extra 5 - 10 seconds in restoring the subject line.
- Scott
Posted by vbs on June 21, 2013, at 7:16:15
In reply to Simplifying my med regimen (nm), posted by SLS on June 20, 2013, at 23:29:48
Well I feel weird this morning. Slept for about four hours. I'm *not* hearing voices. I'm drinking a lot of milk, vegetable juice and water.
Peace.
Posted by polarbear206 on June 21, 2013, at 8:51:55
In reply to Re: Unfounded alarmism » vbs, posted by SLS on June 20, 2013, at 20:11:00
Lou, How many times have other posters asked you to stop changing the origional title post?????? I find this very rude of you. Please show some respect for others. I know how hard it is for you...after all you have an agenda!!!
Posted by polarbear206 on June 21, 2013, at 10:57:52
In reply to Simplifying my med regimen (nm), posted by SLS on June 20, 2013, at 23:29:48
Posted by vbs on June 21, 2013, at 13:38:47
In reply to Re: Simplifying my med regimen (nm), posted by polarbear206 on June 21, 2013, at 10:57:52
I just woke up from a long nap. I went grocery shopping earlier. I bought more milk and vegetable juice, among other items. The weirdness that I felt this morning has mosly passed. I feel pretty good now; refreshed.
The good news is that the Invega Sustenna seems to be keeping the voices at bay. Knock on wood.
Peace. :-)
Posted by SLS on June 21, 2013, at 13:59:05
In reply to Re: Simplifying my med regimen, posted by vbs on June 21, 2013, at 13:38:47
> I just woke up from a long nap. I went grocery shopping earlier. I bought more milk and vegetable juice, among other items. The weirdness that I felt this morning has mosly passed. I feel pretty good now; refreshed.
>
> The good news is that the Invega Sustenna seems to be keeping the voices at bay. Knock on wood.I did what you said. Now my head hurts.
- Scott
Posted by poser938 on June 21, 2013, at 19:00:00
In reply to Re: (2): correction: Lou's reply- » poser938, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2013, at 23:05:43
What I'd have done different is only do therapy instead of therapy and meds from the very beginning. The therapy was helping, but after like 2 months the medicine ruined me.
So, ONLY therapy and zero medicine.
Posted by poser938 on June 21, 2013, at 19:32:44
In reply to Re: Simplifying med regimen: Phillipa, posted by poser938 on June 21, 2013, at 19:00:00
And I'm positive there are many, many other situations where someones mood was made much worse by a psychiatric Med, and that this mood/brain chemistry is often permanent or very long-term after stopping the Med. And that the patient never realizes it. I've read too many situations where someone says "My antidepressant stopped working and now my depression is worse than it ever was"
Posted by Phillipa on June 21, 2013, at 20:28:31
In reply to Re: Simplifying med regimen: Phillipa, posted by poser938 on June 21, 2013, at 19:32:44
Poser I also have. Thanks for the response. Phillipa
Posted by vbs on June 21, 2013, at 22:22:51
In reply to Re: Simplifying my med regimen » vbs, posted by SLS on June 21, 2013, at 13:59:05
I started hearing voices earlier so I restarted the Zyprexa.
Posted by vbs on June 22, 2013, at 8:08:56
In reply to Re: Unfounded alarmism » vbs, posted by SLS on June 20, 2013, at 20:11:00
I'm going to try discontinuing Cymbalta. I didn't take it this morning. Let's hope I hear fewer voices or none at all. I'm worried about discontinuation syndrome like brain zaps. I'm also worried that I'll start feeling depressed. Time will tell. Wish me luck, again.
Peace. :-)
Posted by vbs on June 22, 2013, at 9:30:59
In reply to Simplifying my med regimen, posted by vbs on June 20, 2013, at 4:33:30
So as of now I'm taking three psych meds: Zyprexa, Invega Sustenna & trazodone. Let's see where this takes me. The goal is to simplify my med regimen and to eliminate or at least reduce the hallucinations.
Posted by vbs on June 22, 2013, at 15:52:10
In reply to Re: Simplifying my med regimen, posted by vbs on June 22, 2013, at 9:30:59
I think I'm clutching at straws. I'm still hearing voices despite not taking my Cymbalta this morning. So I took my Cymbalta about 15 minutes ago. I'm going to have to talk to my pdoc. I may need a dose increase of the Invega Sustenna.
Posted by SLS on June 22, 2013, at 19:15:54
In reply to Re: Simplifying my med regimen, posted by vbs on June 22, 2013, at 15:52:10
> I think I'm clutching at straws. I'm still hearing voices despite not taking my Cymbalta this morning. So I took my Cymbalta about 15 minutes ago. I'm going to have to talk to my pdoc. I may need a dose increase of the Invega Sustenna.
If you get stuck, you might take a look at Navane (thiothixene). It's one of the older drugs, but is fairly light on side effects, and can often shut down delusions and auditory hallucinations.
I wish I knew exactly what to suggest to you. You must be quite frustrated.
- Scott
Posted by herpills on June 30, 2013, at 12:08:56
In reply to Lou's warning-, posted by Lou Pilder on June 20, 2013, at 10:40:50
So what you are saying Lou is that if you take meds, you're screwed, and if you go off meds, you're screwed? Sounds like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. I suppose we're all just doing it wrong...herpills
Posted by SLS on June 30, 2013, at 13:05:11
In reply to Re: Lou's warning- 'you're doing it wrong' » Lou Pilder, posted by herpills on June 30, 2013, at 12:08:56
> So what you are saying Lou is that if you take meds, you're screwed, and if you go off meds, you're screwed? Sounds like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. I suppose we're all just doing it wrong...herpills
1. If you take meds, you're screwed.2. If you don't take meds, you're screwed.
3. If you discontinue meds, you're screwed.
4. If you have a mental illness, you're screwed.
Of course, the degree to which #4 is true depends upon the natural course of the illness and the effectiveness of its treatment. A little luck can go a long way. Some of us have to go a long way to find a little luck.
My illness really pisses me off.
- Scott
Posted by sigismund on June 30, 2013, at 21:02:56
In reply to Simplifying my med regimen » herpills, posted by SLS on June 30, 2013, at 13:05:11
Wizards aren't allowed either.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2013, at 8:29:55
In reply to Re: Lou's warning- 'you're doing it wrong' » Lou Pilder, posted by herpills on June 30, 2013, at 12:08:56
> So what you are saying Lou is that if you take meds, you're screwed, and if you go off meds, you're screwed? Sounds like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. I suppose we're all just doing it wrong...herpills
herpills,
You wrote,[...So what are you saying Lou is that if you take meds you're screwed and if you go off meds you're screwed?...we're all just doing it wrong...].
Once you allow the psychiatrist/doctor to put chemicals into your brain and body there then becomes the start of something that is self-evident as can be seen here among the members posting.
I see that is plainly visible that I am prevented from posting here what IMHHHO could save lives and prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions due to the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung.
You see, it has been revealed to me exactly what is going on in the mind and body when mind-altering chemicals are introduced into the brains of those that are in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor that prescribes these drugs, even to children that are most vulnerable to the effects od the chemicals that have been and are used now in the commission of mass-murder. Mothers and fathers drug their children in collaboration with a psychiatrist not knowing all the facts. Facts that could mark the difference between their child being a live person or a corpse. And if the drugs don't kill them right away, they can become a life-long psychiatric recipient of drugs, each drug that could cause more and more life-ruining conditions, addictions and induce a mind-altered state to compel them to kill themselves and/or others, even kill their own parents and innocent people in shopping centers, theaters, schools and in the work place.
You see, I KNOW WHAT THESE DRUGS DO TO THOSE THAT TAKE THEM. AND I ALSO KNOW A WAY OUT THAT HAS BEEN REVEALED TO ME THAT CAN LEAD ONE SHACKLED BY THE DRUGS TO FREEDOM AND A NEW LIFE.
Those that want to follow the world of mind-altering drugs can find the end of that road by looking at the member's lives here. If that is what they want for their lives, or the lives of their children that they are drugging in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor, then
Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on July 11, 2013, at 12:10:00
In reply to Simplifying my med regimen » herpills, posted by SLS on June 30, 2013, at 13:05:11
My illness really pisses me off.
just what i have been thinking
i think it's a healthy sign
Posted by SLS on July 11, 2013, at 13:03:21
In reply to Re: Simplifying my med regimen, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on July 11, 2013, at 12:10:00
> My illness really pisses me off.
>
> just what i have been thinking
> i think it's a healthy signThe emergence of anger can signal an improvement in depression if that depression is generally anergic, vegetative, and inhibiting. It is difficult to feel anger when you barely have enough energy to stare expressionless at a wall, and remain apathetic to all that happens around you. People like this are sometimes called "flat liners".
- Scott
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