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Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 28, 2012, at 21:54:58
i've been taking LOADS of multivitamens, and in the shakes I have too....there's no big diffrence...the only thing is B12 and B6 which give a bit of energy....all that wivestale stuff of how excess vitamens is good...it just goes right in and right out....much would love to stick with Nuvigil for energy...and coffee too. Maybe there's some benefit with vitamen C on the immune system....but all those other ones, its silly....all these health freaks eating aspargus and all these health food vegitatian s h i t...its a bunch of wivestales....and ugh...i hate healthy food too....much perfer pizza....
r
Posted by linkadge on December 29, 2012, at 7:13:55
In reply to vitamens really don't work, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 28, 2012, at 21:54:58
There's not much evidence that megadoses of vitamins do anything (or are safe). I would not take more than the RDI and even then, try to get them from food.
Posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2012, at 9:34:29
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work, posted by linkadge on December 29, 2012, at 7:13:55
I agree about the vita C linus Pauling believed it was the cure all for all. But I find if up the 2000mg of C I have taken daily for years they any symptoms of illness disappears. B's aggitate. B6 is a good diuretic for me. CA & MG &D I need for osteoporosis. And the MVI to cover the bases. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on December 29, 2012, at 13:12:58
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work, posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2012, at 9:34:29
> I agree about the vita C linus Pauling believed it was the cure all for all. But I find if up the 2000mg of C I have taken daily for years they any symptoms of illness disappears. B's aggitate. B6 is a good diuretic for me. CA & MG &D I need for osteoporosis. And the MVI to cover the bases. Phillipa
I take a multivitamin and B-complex. I think the B vitamins might be helpful in depression and stress. I am not absolutely certain of this, but they seem benign enough. One thing in the vitamin B category that I reacted quite badly to was P-5-P. I became hideously depressed and suicidal within two hours of taking my first and only dose. It took at least 8 hours to dissipate. Another substance that makes me feel decidedly worse is megadose calcium.
I stay away from megadoses of vitamin C unless I feel the very beginnings of a cold coming on, at which times I take 5 grams b.i.d. for two days. That's all I do. It seems to work. However, if I wait too long to begin this treatment, the infection follows its usual course despite megadosing.
I sometimes think that the world of dietary "supplementation" and herbology is more complicated than psychopharmacology. It's too much for me to keep up with.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 29, 2012, at 13:13:43
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work, posted by linkadge on December 29, 2012, at 7:13:55
I hope all is well with you.
- Scott
Posted by linkadge on December 29, 2012, at 13:54:32
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work » linkadge, posted by SLS on December 29, 2012, at 13:13:43
Things are going alright.
Currently on california rocket fuel + ritalin.
remeron 15 mg
effexor 37.5 mg
methylphenidate 10mgAdmitedly, omega-3 and niacin do seem to help.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on December 29, 2012, at 13:57:58
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work, posted by linkadge on December 29, 2012, at 13:54:32
Oh, I have also found that cocoa nibs are beneficial (unprocessed organic cocoa plant) for my mood - very high in epicatechin and catechin (natural serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine reuptake inhibitors (preferentially NET) + MAO a and b inhibition)
Posted by linkadge on December 29, 2012, at 14:05:59
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work, posted by linkadge on December 29, 2012, at 13:57:58
I also got a treadmill and full spectrum SAD lights. This has been very beneficial in the winter months.
Posted by herpills on December 29, 2012, at 14:26:44
In reply to vitamens really don't work, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 28, 2012, at 21:54:58
If you're body isn't absorbing your meds properly, I wouldn't expect vitamins to work as well either I guess.
I think targeted vitamin strategies can help, but loading up on megadoses of everything is a bad idea in my view. herpills
Posted by herpills on December 29, 2012, at 14:28:37
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work, posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2012, at 9:34:29
> I agree about the vita C linus Pauling believed it was the cure all for all. But I find if up the 2000mg of C I have taken daily for years they any symptoms of illness disappears. B's aggitate. B6 is a good diuretic for me. CA & MG &D I need for osteoporosis. And the MVI to cover the bases. Phillipa
Sounds like you have a good idea about what works for you. Glad you mentioned B's aggitate I find them stimulating at higher doses. herpills
Posted by Prefect on December 29, 2012, at 14:47:28
In reply to vitamens really don't work, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 28, 2012, at 21:54:58
Anyone find B6 50-100 mg help with anxiety? I haven't tried it yet.
Posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2012, at 20:29:19
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work, posted by Prefect on December 29, 2012, at 14:47:28
Could not sure as take 200mg and also less benzos. A theory of mine only is that if the B6 releases water. And this goes back to the days of PMS when would get horrible headache with it. That maybe the brain also had water. Sounds silly but at the time it worked. Have always stuck with it. Phillipa ps talk about studies of herbs, vitamins, arnica montana was introduced to me by a surgeon who's sister is a homeopathic doc in Florida and taught the doc that it keeps bruising and swelling away. And it does. Have used it and gave some to neighbor when her dog kicked her by mistake and she was getting a black eye. It was totally gone the next day. Google arnica montana safe and it really works.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 29, 2012, at 22:06:52
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work » rjlockhart37, posted by herpills on December 29, 2012, at 14:26:44
what i mean is that vitamens don't hardly do anything like the meds do....i would never be stupid enough to but 3 megavitamen under the tongue...throw up in my mouth....goodness.
i always do all the bad stradegies before i find the good ones....like 2 weeks on a liquid diet no food at all...then i got weak, couldnt think...had to start eating...so found a better thing to do...portion control.
thanks...
r
Posted by in_denial on December 31, 2012, at 14:34:23
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work » herpills, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 29, 2012, at 22:06:52
I agree that vitamins are over rated for the treatment of any mental illness. Unless you are vitamin deficient due to diet or some illness you're wasting money taking them in hopes of curing a chemical imbalance. If the true problem is vitamin deficiency, you need to explore the root cause of that.
Posted by herpills on December 31, 2012, at 16:50:40
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work, posted by Prefect on December 29, 2012, at 14:47:28
> Anyone find B6 50-100 mg help with anxiety? I haven't tried it yet.
No, in fact I tried 50mg B6 recently for nerve pain, and found it stimulating in an uncomfortable way, so I cut down to 25mg. Have been at that dose for a couple weeks. Will probably try 50mg again soon. I've heard it can help depression. herpills
Posted by herpills on December 31, 2012, at 16:51:46
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work » Prefect, posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2012, at 20:29:19
Phillipa I agree arnica is great, safe and it helps! herpills
Posted by bleauberry on December 31, 2012, at 16:55:58
In reply to vitamens really don't work, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 28, 2012, at 21:54:58
I've never seen vitamins cure anyone. Except for a couple distinct situations but they weren't vitamins in general, they were both B12. One friend got the shots, the other the patch. Both were basically reborn. But you can't duplicate that by taking a fistful of B12 by mouth. Vitamin C will cause diarhea when the dose is too high, but if it didn't, then maybe the dose wasn't high enough. Same for magnesium. Personally I think the minerals are far more important than the vitamins. But then, everything works in concert. See, we are assuming that a gobful of vitamins is going to all go down the right path, follow the intended metabolism, no insults or imbalances along the way, and you know. We already know from our psychiatric symptoms that something within us is awry. So if vitamins weren't to work right, that shouldn't be a surprise I don't think anyway. Personally I respond poorly to high doses of any of the Bs. B12 shots made me more depressed and almost psychotic. C feels almost like valium. D causes herxheimer reactions with my lyme related stuff. But anyway I just wanted to share that I think things are just way too complicated and taking vitamins is probably not going to make a massive difference. Once in a while it will though. Regardless of whether vitamins helps us feel better or not, I think they are a good idea for basic general health, longterm healing, support against diseases and infections, cholesterol, toxin excretion, and such. For therapeutic purposes in psychiatric symptoms I strongly prefer botanical medicines, herbs, over vitamins. Hands down.No contest.
Posted by Phil on December 31, 2012, at 19:49:21
In reply to Re: vitamens really don't work » linkadge, posted by SLS on December 29, 2012, at 13:13:43
Eat a healthy diet and put your vitamin money in the bank.
Posted by gilmourr on January 3, 2013, at 5:29:03
In reply to vitamens really don't work, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 28, 2012, at 21:54:58
Disagree. Family member was Bipolar I and had it for many years.
He took a special type of vitamin blend of vitamins, minerals and amino acids and within 2 weeks he began have less pronounced swings. In 1-2 months he was completely normal.
I didn't believe in vitamins either, but they DEFINITELY work in certain situations. And there is a large variability of vitamins. He took vitamins that have double blind placebo testing.
Vitamin companies OTC don't do this because most of their products are bull.
They are expensive though, $250 = 2 months I believe. But sh*t, if I could get rid of my issues for that cost.. I'd pay that and get back to work ASAP to pay for it.
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