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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by schleprock on October 28, 2012, at 16:11:40
In reply to Re: Academic exercise. » SLS, posted by Dinah on October 28, 2012, at 14:30:01
> As you've seen lately, I do have my moments. When buttons get pressed, I'm not always all that civil. Or at least not always when I'm feeling impotent and without recourse.
>
> It probably should be moved to Admin. In fact, the rigorous moving of posts to Faith, Politics, or Admin might go a long way towards making Medication more pleasant.
>
> But I wouldn't count on Dr. Bob doing anything at all. Though he does seem to fix broken technical things. I think we'll have to provide any solutions. And frankly, I don't think that's feasible, since all we have is words.You scared them away Lou. What do you have to say for yourself now?
Posted by schleprock on October 28, 2012, at 17:09:01
In reply to Lou's reply- » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2012, at 10:50:12
> > I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'd really like to know.
> >
> > Is the Rider God? Did he charge you with a mission directly to Babble, or did you take that mission on yourself? Did the Rider give you specific instructions? Does he have ongoing conversations with you about your progress here? How do you understand on a day by day basis how he feels about your posts? Does he tell you how to interpret Babblers' posts, or is that your own interpretation?
> >
> > Do you understand your mission to be to save Babblers from the shackles of addiction to psych meds? Or do you consider it to be to save them from the Lake of Fire? Does addiction put one in the Lake of Fire? Wouldn't the Lake of Fire be reserved for the truly wicked?
> >
> > I could be mistaken. It's been a while since you spoke of your vision. Are Babblers concerned with the lake of fire at all? And wasn't there a boneyard beyond the lake of fire?
>
> D,
> Is this the post?
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20111110/msgs/1002289.htmlLou, why do you purport to have had revelations based on the foundations of Judaism when these revelations borrow so much from Christianity?
1. Lake of fire: borrowed by Christians from Greek conceptions of Hades. Traditional Judaism during and before Jesus time had a very vague at best belief in a neutral afterlife (if at all) that shared no imagery with current beleiefs of heaven and hell. (See Sheol)
2. Rider on white horse: no idea if the imagery is used in the Old Testament, could be referring to either death (pale horse) or maybe Christ as described in the book of revelations.
3. Son of Man: certainly a Christian phrase (reference to Christ). Might be found in the Old Testament, but probably bears little relevance to Jews today.
4. House of Lost Sheep: definite reference taken from the new testament, possibly verbatim. Very close relation to the parable of the prodigal son.
5. Flesh\Spirit dichotomy: not very prominant in the Old Testament. Something that was really more developed in Greece. Again, not very relevant in a culture with a very vague and underdeveloped eschatology.
6. Resurrection: Absolutely not a core Jewish belief. The only case of resurrection to occur in the Old Testament were Job's sons. This concept is essentially what made Christianity what it is, and what sharply divided it from Judaism.
7. Heaven: see number 6.
Lou, I don't know whether these are intended as metaphors or anything, but they certainly don't evoke the foundations of Judaism. Have you considered the possibility that these revelations were intended to motivate you to convert to Christianity in addition to starting your ministry? Maybe you know this deep down inside and it's causing you to project all this antisemitism on this forum, beacuse you're really scared of abandoning your Judaism. But Lou, you don't really come across as "semetic."
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2012, at 17:09:42
In reply to Re: Academic exercise., posted by schleprock on October 28, 2012, at 16:11:40
> > As you've seen lately, I do have my moments. When buttons get pressed, I'm not always all that civil. Or at least not always when I'm feeling impotent and without recourse.
> >
> > It probably should be moved to Admin. In fact, the rigorous moving of posts to Faith, Politics, or Admin might go a long way towards making Medication more pleasant.
> >
> > But I wouldn't count on Dr. Bob doing anything at all. Though he does seem to fix broken technical things. I think we'll have to provide any solutions. And frankly, I don't think that's feasible, since all we have is words.
>
> You scared them away Lou. What do you have to say for yourself now?schleprock,
Please do not post statements here that could lead one to think that you are using me as a scapegoat. The use of scapegoating can be from hatred toward the person that the scapegoating is directed to.
This is now allowed by Mr Hsiung for you to post such, but that does not annul the fact that Jews are very sensitive to any statement of scapegoating directed to them. Mr Hsiung has allowed this. That does not ligitimize the damage to me that it is causing. And Mr Hsiung states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. If you think that scapegoating will be good for this community as a whole, then hate is good for this community as a whole, for scapegoating comes from anger with someone which is what hate is.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 28, 2012, at 20:32:48
In reply to Lou's reply-dvnrev » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2012, at 10:12:04
When one says something about another that is slander, when one writes it it is libel. I used to testify in malpractic suits. I'm used to working with lawyers, giving depositions, and testifying in court. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on October 28, 2012, at 20:49:59
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-dvnrev » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on October 28, 2012, at 20:32:48
Also what about Buddism, Mormons, Jehovah's Wittness's dont they all have their own belief? What about atheism. If can't see it it doesn't exist. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2012, at 21:55:10
In reply to Re: Lou's reply- » Lou Pilder, posted by schleprock on October 28, 2012, at 17:09:01
> > > I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'd really like to know.
> > >
> > > Is the Rider God? Did he charge you with a mission directly to Babble, or did you take that mission on yourself? Did the Rider give you specific instructions? Does he have ongoing conversations with you about your progress here? How do you understand on a day by day basis how he feels about your posts? Does he tell you how to interpret Babblers' posts, or is that your own interpretation?
> > >
> > > Do you understand your mission to be to save Babblers from the shackles of addiction to psych meds? Or do you consider it to be to save them from the Lake of Fire? Does addiction put one in the Lake of Fire? Wouldn't the Lake of Fire be reserved for the truly wicked?
> > >
> > > I could be mistaken. It's been a while since you spoke of your vision. Are Babblers concerned with the lake of fire at all? And wasn't there a boneyard beyond the lake of fire?
> >
> > D,
> > Is this the post?
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20111110/msgs/1002289.html
>
> Lou, why do you purport to have had revelations based on the foundations of Judaism when these revelations borrow so much from Christianity?
>
> 1. Lake of fire: borrowed by Christians from Greek conceptions of Hades. Traditional Judaism during and before Jesus time had a very vague at best belief in a neutral afterlife (if at all) that shared no imagery with current beleiefs of heaven and hell. (See Sheol)
>
> 2. Rider on white horse: no idea if the imagery is used in the Old Testament, could be referring to either death (pale horse) or maybe Christ as described in the book of revelations.
>
> 3. Son of Man: certainly a Christian phrase (reference to Christ). Might be found in the Old Testament, but probably bears little relevance to Jews today.
>
> 4. House of Lost Sheep: definite reference taken from the new testament, possibly verbatim. Very close relation to the parable of the prodigal son.
>
> 5. Flesh\Spirit dichotomy: not very prominant in the Old Testament. Something that was really more developed in Greece. Again, not very relevant in a culture with a very vague and underdeveloped eschatology.
>
> 6. Resurrection: Absolutely not a core Jewish belief. The only case of resurrection to occur in the Old Testament were Job's sons. This concept is essentially what made Christianity what it is, and what sharply divided it from Judaism.
>
> 7. Heaven: see number 6.
>
> Lou, I don't know whether these are intended as metaphors or anything, but they certainly don't evoke the foundations of Judaism. Have you considered the possibility that these revelations were intended to motivate you to convert to Christianity in addition to starting your ministry? Maybe you know this deep down inside and it's causing you to project all this antisemitism on this forum, beacuse you're really scared of abandoning your Judaism. But Lou, you don't really come across as "semetic."schleprock,
You wrote a lot here that I would like to answer. But first, I need to know what you want to mean concerning,[...project all this antisemitism...]
What I am trying to do is stop Mr Hsiung from allowing statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings from being allowed to stand. You see, what I could say to lead people to be free from depression and addiction depends on stopping the encouragment of antisemitism that happens when antisemitic statements here are allowed to stand. This is because Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that one match could start a forest fire. This means that there is the potential for statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand to lead peole to think that antisemitism is supportive here and since Mr Hsiung states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, people could think to collaborate with him and post more antisemitism and hatred toward the Jews and then I could become a victim of antisemitic violence as well as myself not being allowed to share my perspective here, leavng only what Mr Hsiung will allow others here to know. So the antisemitic statements, unless sanctioned here, essentually prevent me from offering a way that could free people from addiction and depression from my perspective, which is from a Jewish perspective.
So is what you posted what you wanted to post?
Lou
Posted by schleprock on October 28, 2012, at 22:46:25
In reply to Lou's reply-clarify » schleprock, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2012, at 21:55:10
> > > > I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'd really like to know.
> > > >
> > > > Is the Rider God? Did he charge you with a mission directly to Babble, or did you take that mission on yourself? Did the Rider give you specific instructions? Does he have ongoing conversations with you about your progress here? How do you understand on a day by day basis how he feels about your posts? Does he tell you how to interpret Babblers' posts, or is that your own interpretation?
> > > >
> > > > Do you understand your mission to be to save Babblers from the shackles of addiction to psych meds? Or do you consider it to be to save them from the Lake of Fire? Does addiction put one in the Lake of Fire? Wouldn't the Lake of Fire be reserved for the truly wicked?
> > > >
> > > > I could be mistaken. It's been a while since you spoke of your vision. Are Babblers concerned with the lake of fire at all? And wasn't there a boneyard beyond the lake of fire?
> > >
> > > D,
> > > Is this the post?
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20111110/msgs/1002289.html
> >
> > Lou, why do you purport to have had revelations based on the foundations of Judaism when these revelations borrow so much from Christianity?
> >
> > 1. Lake of fire: borrowed by Christians from Greek conceptions of Hades. Traditional Judaism during and before Jesus time had a very vague at best belief in a neutral afterlife (if at all) that shared no imagery with current beleiefs of heaven and hell. (See Sheol)
> >
> > 2. Rider on white horse: no idea if the imagery is used in the Old Testament, could be referring to either death (pale horse) or maybe Christ as described in the book of revelations.
> >
> > 3. Son of Man: certainly a Christian phrase (reference to Christ). Might be found in the Old Testament, but probably bears little relevance to Jews today.
> >
> > 4. House of Lost Sheep: definite reference taken from the new testament, possibly verbatim. Very close relation to the parable of the prodigal son.
> >
> > 5. Flesh\Spirit dichotomy: not very prominant in the Old Testament. Something that was really more developed in Greece. Again, not very relevant in a culture with a very vague and underdeveloped eschatology.
> >
> > 6. Resurrection: Absolutely not a core Jewish belief. The only case of resurrection to occur in the Old Testament were Job's sons. This concept is essentially what made Christianity what it is, and what sharply divided it from Judaism.
> >
> > 7. Heaven: see number 6.
> >
> > Lou, I don't know whether these are intended as metaphors or anything, but they certainly don't evoke the foundations of Judaism. Have you considered the possibility that these revelations were intended to motivate you to convert to Christianity in addition to starting your ministry? Maybe you know this deep down inside and it's causing you to project all this antisemitism on this forum, beacuse you're really scared of abandoning your Judaism. But Lou, you don't really come across as "semetic."
>
> schleprock,
> You wrote a lot here that I would like to answer. But first, I need to know what you want to mean concerning,[...project all this antisemitism...]
> What I am trying to do is stop Mr Hsiung from allowing statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings from being allowed to stand. You see, what I could say to lead people to be free from depression and addiction depends on stopping the encouragment of antisemitism that happens when antisemitic statements here are allowed to stand. This is because Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that one match could start a forest fire. This means that there is the potential for statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand to lead peole to think that antisemitism is supportive here and since Mr Hsiung states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, people could think to collaborate with him and post more antisemitism and hatred toward the Jews and then I could become a victim of antisemitic violence as well as myself not being allowed to share my perspective here, leavng only what Mr Hsiung will allow others here to know. So the antisemitic statements, unless sanctioned here, essentually prevent me from offering a way that could free people from addiction and depression from my perspective, which is from a Jewish perspective.
> So is what you posted what you wanted to post?
> LouHave you ever wondered why God would send to a forum to deliver your revelation that is a known wretched hive of antisemitism and villainy? Christ and his disciples were also sent to places to deliver their ministry that would violently reject their message, and you know what happened to them. Christ did not let the cup pass, nor wait 8 years for a response regarding the rampant antichristianity in Roman dominated Jewish villages. Maybe the idea is to be brave and deliver your message despite the rampant antisemitism, even if your message has the indirect consequences of provoking more antisemitism and violence. Perhaps it's important enough for that. You certainly wouldn't deny that God had the omniscience to know you would experience antisemitic reactions on psychobabble, just as Jesus knew he would be crucified. But perhaps this need not be every prophets path, and maybe some sort of compromise is acceptable in delivering the revelation. Perhaps, in an effort to keep you and others from experiencing physical harm from rampant antisemitism that Mr. Hsuing, either intentionally or unintentionally, is unable to contain, God gave you the revelation in a form bearing many Christian motifs, so to disguise their Jewish roots and therefore avoid the arousal of antisemitism. Maybe it is not your destiny to be crucified, as long as you modify your current behavior. The book of revelations was written in metaphors so to deceive the Roman oppresors of early Christianity. Perhaps, if you're clever enough, you can deliver your message in a similar fashion, and thus deceive Dr. Hsuing and all the antisimetic members of this forum (who would seem to compose the majority.) Maybe it's time to fight Mr. Hsuings sorcery with some sorcery of your own!
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2012, at 23:17:53
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-clarify, posted by schleprock on October 28, 2012, at 22:46:25
> > > > > I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'd really like to know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the Rider God? Did he charge you with a mission directly to Babble, or did you take that mission on yourself? Did the Rider give you specific instructions? Does he have ongoing conversations with you about your progress here? How do you understand on a day by day basis how he feels about your posts? Does he tell you how to interpret Babblers' posts, or is that your own interpretation?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you understand your mission to be to save Babblers from the shackles of addiction to psych meds? Or do you consider it to be to save them from the Lake of Fire? Does addiction put one in the Lake of Fire? Wouldn't the Lake of Fire be reserved for the truly wicked?
> > > > >
> > > > > I could be mistaken. It's been a while since you spoke of your vision. Are Babblers concerned with the lake of fire at all? And wasn't there a boneyard beyond the lake of fire?
> > > >
> > > > D,
> > > > Is this the post?
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20111110/msgs/1002289.html
> > >
> > > Lou, why do you purport to have had revelations based on the foundations of Judaism when these revelations borrow so much from Christianity?
> > >
> > > 1. Lake of fire: borrowed by Christians from Greek conceptions of Hades. Traditional Judaism during and before Jesus time had a very vague at best belief in a neutral afterlife (if at all) that shared no imagery with current beleiefs of heaven and hell. (See Sheol)
> > >
> > > 2. Rider on white horse: no idea if the imagery is used in the Old Testament, could be referring to either death (pale horse) or maybe Christ as described in the book of revelations.
> > >
> > > 3. Son of Man: certainly a Christian phrase (reference to Christ). Might be found in the Old Testament, but probably bears little relevance to Jews today.
> > >
> > > 4. House of Lost Sheep: definite reference taken from the new testament, possibly verbatim. Very close relation to the parable of the prodigal son.
> > >
> > > 5. Flesh\Spirit dichotomy: not very prominant in the Old Testament. Something that was really more developed in Greece. Again, not very relevant in a culture with a very vague and underdeveloped eschatology.
> > >
> > > 6. Resurrection: Absolutely not a core Jewish belief. The only case of resurrection to occur in the Old Testament were Job's sons. This concept is essentially what made Christianity what it is, and what sharply divided it from Judaism.
> > >
> > > 7. Heaven: see number 6.
> > >
> > > Lou, I don't know whether these are intended as metaphors or anything, but they certainly don't evoke the foundations of Judaism. Have you considered the possibility that these revelations were intended to motivate you to convert to Christianity in addition to starting your ministry? Maybe you know this deep down inside and it's causing you to project all this antisemitism on this forum, beacuse you're really scared of abandoning your Judaism. But Lou, you don't really come across as "semetic."
> >
> > schleprock,
> > You wrote a lot here that I would like to answer. But first, I need to know what you want to mean concerning,[...project all this antisemitism...]
> > What I am trying to do is stop Mr Hsiung from allowing statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings from being allowed to stand. You see, what I could say to lead people to be free from depression and addiction depends on stopping the encouragment of antisemitism that happens when antisemitic statements here are allowed to stand. This is because Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that one match could start a forest fire. This means that there is the potential for statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand to lead peole to think that antisemitism is supportive here and since Mr Hsiung states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, people could think to collaborate with him and post more antisemitism and hatred toward the Jews and then I could become a victim of antisemitic violence as well as myself not being allowed to share my perspective here, leavng only what Mr Hsiung will allow others here to know. So the antisemitic statements, unless sanctioned here, essentually prevent me from offering a way that could free people from addiction and depression from my perspective, which is from a Jewish perspective.
> > So is what you posted what you wanted to post?
> > Lou
>
> Have you ever wondered why God would send to a forum to deliver your revelation that is a known wretched hive of antisemitism and villainy? Christ and his disciples were also sent to places to deliver their ministry that would violently reject their message, and you know what happened to them. Christ did not let the cup pass, nor wait 8 years for a response regarding the rampant antichristianity in Roman dominated Jewish villages. Maybe the idea is to be brave and deliver your message despite the rampant antisemitism, even if your message has the indirect consequences of provoking more antisemitism and violence. Perhaps it's important enough for that. You certainly wouldn't deny that God had the omniscience to know you would experience antisemitic reactions on psychobabble, just as Jesus knew he would be crucified. But perhaps this need not be every prophets path, and maybe some sort of compromise is acceptable in delivering the revelation. Perhaps, in an effort to keep you and others from experiencing physical harm from rampant antisemitism that Mr. Hsuing, either intentionally or unintentionally, is unable to contain, God gave you the revelation in a form bearing many Christian motifs, so to disguise their Jewish roots and therefore avoid the arousal of antisemitism. Maybe it is not your destiny to be crucified, as long as you modify your current behavior. The book of revelations was written in metaphors so to deceive the Roman oppresors of early Christianity. Perhaps, if you're clever enough, you can deliver your message in a similar fashion, and thus deceive Dr. Hsuing and all the antisimetic members of this forum (who would seem to compose the majority.) Maybe it's time to fight Mr. Hsuings sorcery with some sorcery of your own!schleprock,
You wrote the above. There is a lot of aspects to your post that I would like to respond to.
But let us look at things here. There are people that are living in a death-state here, wanting to be free from the addiction of these drugs being allowed to be promoted as going to be antidepressants and such. But the facts speak for themselves, for looking at the posts here there are thoe that have tried the drugs and want a way out. I know of a way out. But this revelation hinges on the foundation of Judaism and you saw the post with the prohibition to me from Mr Hsiung and you posted to it and it is on the top of the admin board here saying a big hello from 2012. If you could post here what you mean by that, I would appreciate it.
But to go on, I have been talking about Noah here and the flood and the ark. An like in the days of Noah when they mocked and taunted him and ridiculed him, he went on with the building of the ark because he had revelation from God to do so. Now Jonah did not want to be sent to Ninaveh and was swallowed by a great fish and taken thewre and spit up on the beach. Noe Jesus of Nazereth I have not talked about here yet. But I have talked about Mekchizedek. The point here is that I know what there is here like you say. I know that there is persecution ahead and I have ben there before. I know how hate is promulgted toward someone. The process is ancient. First the leaders arpouse anger toward te target person. They do this by scapegoating and saying that the person will ruin the ommunity or it is hiis fault for there whatever. Then when enough anger is aroused toward that person a venue of spewing that anger out to the person is provided. That is what hate is, the anger that is fomented by the leader or leaders of the community. Then the leader could collaborate with the members and lead tham to think that they will be doig good for the commiunty if they attack the targeted person. This has been carried out historically for millimium.
Now Mr Hsiung calls me the Prince of Death and leaves the hatred toward me here unsanctioned.
BUt as Noah went on building the ark, so will I go on. And it took Noah 100 years to build the ark. I know a hard rain is gonna fall here. The skys are dark now and I perceive the winds of death permeateing the land here. I see those that are scoffing being led to hate me, but I am also building an ark, an ark that could lift them out of the darkness and into the light of life. When the rains come hard and the fountains of the deep are opened, the door may be shut to those here.
Lou
Posted by schleprock on October 28, 2012, at 23:44:42
In reply to Lou's reply-gonafal » schleprock, posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2012, at 23:17:53
> > > > > > I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'd really like to know.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is the Rider God? Did he charge you with a mission directly to Babble, or did you take that mission on yourself? Did the Rider give you specific instructions? Does he have ongoing conversations with you about your progress here? How do you understand on a day by day basis how he feels about your posts? Does he tell you how to interpret Babblers' posts, or is that your own interpretation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you understand your mission to be to save Babblers from the shackles of addiction to psych meds? Or do you consider it to be to save them from the Lake of Fire? Does addiction put one in the Lake of Fire? Wouldn't the Lake of Fire be reserved for the truly wicked?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I could be mistaken. It's been a while since you spoke of your vision. Are Babblers concerned with the lake of fire at all? And wasn't there a boneyard beyond the lake of fire?
> > > > >
> > > > > D,
> > > > > Is this the post?
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20111110/msgs/1002289.html
> > > >
> > > > Lou, why do you purport to have had revelations based on the foundations of Judaism when these revelations borrow so much from Christianity?
> > > >
> > > > 1. Lake of fire: borrowed by Christians from Greek conceptions of Hades. Traditional Judaism during and before Jesus time had a very vague at best belief in a neutral afterlife (if at all) that shared no imagery with current beleiefs of heaven and hell. (See Sheol)
> > > >
> > > > 2. Rider on white horse: no idea if the imagery is used in the Old Testament, could be referring to either death (pale horse) or maybe Christ as described in the book of revelations.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Son of Man: certainly a Christian phrase (reference to Christ). Might be found in the Old Testament, but probably bears little relevance to Jews today.
> > > >
> > > > 4. House of Lost Sheep: definite reference taken from the new testament, possibly verbatim. Very close relation to the parable of the prodigal son.
> > > >
> > > > 5. Flesh\Spirit dichotomy: not very prominant in the Old Testament. Something that was really more developed in Greece. Again, not very relevant in a culture with a very vague and underdeveloped eschatology.
> > > >
> > > > 6. Resurrection: Absolutely not a core Jewish belief. The only case of resurrection to occur in the Old Testament were Job's sons. This concept is essentially what made Christianity what it is, and what sharply divided it from Judaism.
> > > >
> > > > 7. Heaven: see number 6.
> > > >
> > > > Lou, I don't know whether these are intended as metaphors or anything, but they certainly don't evoke the foundations of Judaism. Have you considered the possibility that these revelations were intended to motivate you to convert to Christianity in addition to starting your ministry? Maybe you know this deep down inside and it's causing you to project all this antisemitism on this forum, beacuse you're really scared of abandoning your Judaism. But Lou, you don't really come across as "semetic."
> > >
> > > schleprock,
> > > You wrote a lot here that I would like to answer. But first, I need to know what you want to mean concerning,[...project all this antisemitism...]
> > > What I am trying to do is stop Mr Hsiung from allowing statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings from being allowed to stand. You see, what I could say to lead people to be free from depression and addiction depends on stopping the encouragment of antisemitism that happens when antisemitic statements here are allowed to stand. This is because Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that one match could start a forest fire. This means that there is the potential for statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand to lead peole to think that antisemitism is supportive here and since Mr Hsiung states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, people could think to collaborate with him and post more antisemitism and hatred toward the Jews and then I could become a victim of antisemitic violence as well as myself not being allowed to share my perspective here, leavng only what Mr Hsiung will allow others here to know. So the antisemitic statements, unless sanctioned here, essentually prevent me from offering a way that could free people from addiction and depression from my perspective, which is from a Jewish perspective.
> > > So is what you posted what you wanted to post?
> > > Lou
> >
> > Have you ever wondered why God would send to a forum to deliver your revelation that is a known wretched hive of antisemitism and villainy? Christ and his disciples were also sent to places to deliver their ministry that would violently reject their message, and you know what happened to them. Christ did not let the cup pass, nor wait 8 years for a response regarding the rampant antichristianity in Roman dominated Jewish villages. Maybe the idea is to be brave and deliver your message despite the rampant antisemitism, even if your message has the indirect consequences of provoking more antisemitism and violence. Perhaps it's important enough for that. You certainly wouldn't deny that God had the omniscience to know you would experience antisemitic reactions on psychobabble, just as Jesus knew he would be crucified. But perhaps this need not be every prophets path, and maybe some sort of compromise is acceptable in delivering the revelation. Perhaps, in an effort to keep you and others from experiencing physical harm from rampant antisemitism that Mr. Hsuing, either intentionally or unintentionally, is unable to contain, God gave you the revelation in a form bearing many Christian motifs, so to disguise their Jewish roots and therefore avoid the arousal of antisemitism. Maybe it is not your destiny to be crucified, as long as you modify your current behavior. The book of revelations was written in metaphors so to deceive the Roman oppresors of early Christianity. Perhaps, if you're clever enough, you can deliver your message in a similar fashion, and thus deceive Dr. Hsuing and all the antisimetic members of this forum (who would seem to compose the majority.) Maybe it's time to fight Mr. Hsuings sorcery with some sorcery of your own!
>
> schleprock,
> You wrote the above. There is a lot of aspects to your post that I would like to respond to.
> But let us look at things here. There are people that are living in a death-state here, wanting to be free from the addiction of these drugs being allowed to be promoted as going to be antidepressants and such. But the facts speak for themselves, for looking at the posts here there are thoe that have tried the drugs and want a way out. I know of a way out. But this revelation hinges on the foundation of Judaism and you saw the post with the prohibition to me from Mr Hsiung and you posted to it and it is on the top of the admin board here saying a big hello from 2012. If you could post here what you mean by that, I would appreciate it.
> But to go on, I have been talking about Noah here and the flood and the ark. An like in the days of Noah when they mocked and taunted him and ridiculed him, he went on with the building of the ark because he had revelation from God to do so. Now Jonah did not want to be sent to Ninaveh and was swallowed by a great fish and taken thewre and spit up on the beach. Noe Jesus of Nazereth I have not talked about here yet. But I have talked about Mekchizedek. The point here is that I know what there is here like you say. I know that there is persecution ahead and I have ben there before. I know how hate is promulgted toward someone. The process is ancient. First the leaders arpouse anger toward te target person. They do this by scapegoating and saying that the person will ruin the ommunity or it is hiis fault for there whatever. Then when enough anger is aroused toward that person a venue of spewing that anger out to the person is provided. That is what hate is, the anger that is fomented by the leader or leaders of the community. Then the leader could collaborate with the members and lead tham to think that they will be doig good for the commiunty if they attack the targeted person. This has been carried out historically for millimium.
> Now Mr Hsiung calls me the Prince of Death and leaves the hatred toward me here unsanctioned.
> BUt as Noah went on building the ark, so will I go on. And it took Noah 100 years to build the ark. I know a hard rain is gonna fall here. The skys are dark now and I perceive the winds of death permeateing the land here. I see those that are scoffing being led to hate me, but I am also building an ark, an ark that could lift them out of the darkness and into the light of life. When the rains come hard and the fountains of the deep are opened, the door may be shut to those here.
> LouLou, did God send Christ and his disciples all over Palestine and beyond to protest their treatment by the orthodox and the Romans, or to preach about God's love and "the kingdom"? Would there be such a thing as Christianity today were that the case? Similarly, did God send you to dr-bob.org to protest anti-semitism, or to deliver your revelations concerning mind-altering drugs and those on them who urgently need to be free from them and the means to do this? The two are practically mutually exclusive. Like Noah, time is of the essence, and he doesn't have another eight years to get permission to finish the ark.
Lou, how many people have you killed over these eight years because you witheld information that could help them over a minor beurocratic technicality. What if Noah wasted his time over such things? Maybe we wouldn't have giraffes, or elephants, or platypusses (paltypi?)? Wouldn't that have been tragic! God chose you for this mission, and he expects you to carry it out! When it comes to people, God's judgements are infallible; after all, he invented them.
Who's more important to you Lou: Melvin Chizedeck or Mr. Hsuing. It's time to choose.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 5:02:09
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-gonafal » Lou Pilder, posted by schleprock on October 28, 2012, at 23:44:42
> > > > > > > I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'd really like to know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is the Rider God? Did he charge you with a mission directly to Babble, or did you take that mission on yourself? Did the Rider give you specific instructions? Does he have ongoing conversations with you about your progress here? How do you understand on a day by day basis how he feels about your posts? Does he tell you how to interpret Babblers' posts, or is that your own interpretation?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you understand your mission to be to save Babblers from the shackles of addiction to psych meds? Or do you consider it to be to save them from the Lake of Fire? Does addiction put one in the Lake of Fire? Wouldn't the Lake of Fire be reserved for the truly wicked?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I could be mistaken. It's been a while since you spoke of your vision. Are Babblers concerned with the lake of fire at all? And wasn't there a boneyard beyond the lake of fire?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > D,
> > > > > > Is this the post?
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20111110/msgs/1002289.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou, why do you purport to have had revelations based on the foundations of Judaism when these revelations borrow so much from Christianity?
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Lake of fire: borrowed by Christians from Greek conceptions of Hades. Traditional Judaism during and before Jesus time had a very vague at best belief in a neutral afterlife (if at all) that shared no imagery with current beleiefs of heaven and hell. (See Sheol)
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Rider on white horse: no idea if the imagery is used in the Old Testament, could be referring to either death (pale horse) or maybe Christ as described in the book of revelations.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Son of Man: certainly a Christian phrase (reference to Christ). Might be found in the Old Testament, but probably bears little relevance to Jews today.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. House of Lost Sheep: definite reference taken from the new testament, possibly verbatim. Very close relation to the parable of the prodigal son.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. Flesh\Spirit dichotomy: not very prominant in the Old Testament. Something that was really more developed in Greece. Again, not very relevant in a culture with a very vague and underdeveloped eschatology.
> > > > >
> > > > > 6. Resurrection: Absolutely not a core Jewish belief. The only case of resurrection to occur in the Old Testament were Job's sons. This concept is essentially what made Christianity what it is, and what sharply divided it from Judaism.
> > > > >
> > > > > 7. Heaven: see number 6.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou, I don't know whether these are intended as metaphors or anything, but they certainly don't evoke the foundations of Judaism. Have you considered the possibility that these revelations were intended to motivate you to convert to Christianity in addition to starting your ministry? Maybe you know this deep down inside and it's causing you to project all this antisemitism on this forum, beacuse you're really scared of abandoning your Judaism. But Lou, you don't really come across as "semetic."
> > > >
> > > > schleprock,
> > > > You wrote a lot here that I would like to answer. But first, I need to know what you want to mean concerning,[...project all this antisemitism...]
> > > > What I am trying to do is stop Mr Hsiung from allowing statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings from being allowed to stand. You see, what I could say to lead people to be free from depression and addiction depends on stopping the encouragment of antisemitism that happens when antisemitic statements here are allowed to stand. This is because Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that one match could start a forest fire. This means that there is the potential for statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand to lead peole to think that antisemitism is supportive here and since Mr Hsiung states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, people could think to collaborate with him and post more antisemitism and hatred toward the Jews and then I could become a victim of antisemitic violence as well as myself not being allowed to share my perspective here, leavng only what Mr Hsiung will allow others here to know. So the antisemitic statements, unless sanctioned here, essentually prevent me from offering a way that could free people from addiction and depression from my perspective, which is from a Jewish perspective.
> > > > So is what you posted what you wanted to post?
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Have you ever wondered why God would send to a forum to deliver your revelation that is a known wretched hive of antisemitism and villainy? Christ and his disciples were also sent to places to deliver their ministry that would violently reject their message, and you know what happened to them. Christ did not let the cup pass, nor wait 8 years for a response regarding the rampant antichristianity in Roman dominated Jewish villages. Maybe the idea is to be brave and deliver your message despite the rampant antisemitism, even if your message has the indirect consequences of provoking more antisemitism and violence. Perhaps it's important enough for that. You certainly wouldn't deny that God had the omniscience to know you would experience antisemitic reactions on psychobabble, just as Jesus knew he would be crucified. But perhaps this need not be every prophets path, and maybe some sort of compromise is acceptable in delivering the revelation. Perhaps, in an effort to keep you and others from experiencing physical harm from rampant antisemitism that Mr. Hsuing, either intentionally or unintentionally, is unable to contain, God gave you the revelation in a form bearing many Christian motifs, so to disguise their Jewish roots and therefore avoid the arousal of antisemitism. Maybe it is not your destiny to be crucified, as long as you modify your current behavior. The book of revelations was written in metaphors so to deceive the Roman oppresors of early Christianity. Perhaps, if you're clever enough, you can deliver your message in a similar fashion, and thus deceive Dr. Hsuing and all the antisimetic members of this forum (who would seem to compose the majority.) Maybe it's time to fight Mr. Hsuings sorcery with some sorcery of your own!
> >
> > schleprock,
> > You wrote the above. There is a lot of aspects to your post that I would like to respond to.
> > But let us look at things here. There are people that are living in a death-state here, wanting to be free from the addiction of these drugs being allowed to be promoted as going to be antidepressants and such. But the facts speak for themselves, for looking at the posts here there are thoe that have tried the drugs and want a way out. I know of a way out. But this revelation hinges on the foundation of Judaism and you saw the post with the prohibition to me from Mr Hsiung and you posted to it and it is on the top of the admin board here saying a big hello from 2012. If you could post here what you mean by that, I would appreciate it.
> > But to go on, I have been talking about Noah here and the flood and the ark. An like in the days of Noah when they mocked and taunted him and ridiculed him, he went on with the building of the ark because he had revelation from God to do so. Now Jonah did not want to be sent to Ninaveh and was swallowed by a great fish and taken thewre and spit up on the beach. Noe Jesus of Nazereth I have not talked about here yet. But I have talked about Mekchizedek. The point here is that I know what there is here like you say. I know that there is persecution ahead and I have ben there before. I know how hate is promulgted toward someone. The process is ancient. First the leaders arpouse anger toward te target person. They do this by scapegoating and saying that the person will ruin the ommunity or it is hiis fault for there whatever. Then when enough anger is aroused toward that person a venue of spewing that anger out to the person is provided. That is what hate is, the anger that is fomented by the leader or leaders of the community. Then the leader could collaborate with the members and lead tham to think that they will be doig good for the commiunty if they attack the targeted person. This has been carried out historically for millimium.
> > Now Mr Hsiung calls me the Prince of Death and leaves the hatred toward me here unsanctioned.
> > BUt as Noah went on building the ark, so will I go on. And it took Noah 100 years to build the ark. I know a hard rain is gonna fall here. The skys are dark now and I perceive the winds of death permeateing the land here. I see those that are scoffing being led to hate me, but I am also building an ark, an ark that could lift them out of the darkness and into the light of life. When the rains come hard and the fountains of the deep are opened, the door may be shut to those here.
> > Lou
>
> Lou, did God send Christ and his disciples all over Palestine and beyond to protest their treatment by the orthodox and the Romans, or to preach about God's love and "the kingdom"? Would there be such a thing as Christianity today were that the case? Similarly, did God send you to dr-bob.org to protest anti-semitism, or to deliver your revelations concerning mind-altering drugs and those on them who urgently need to be free from them and the means to do this? The two are practically mutually exclusive. Like Noah, time is of the essence, and he doesn't have another eight years to get permission to finish the ark.
>
> Lou, how many people have you killed over these eight years because you witheld information that could help them over a minor beurocratic technicality. What if Noah wasted his time over such things? Maybe we wouldn't have giraffes, or elephants, or platypusses (paltypi?)? Wouldn't that have been tragic! God chose you for this mission, and he expects you to carry it out! When it comes to people, God's judgements are infallible; after all, he invented them.
>
> Who's more important to you Lou: Melvin Chizedeck or Mr. Hsuing. It's time to choose.schleprock,
There are important issues that you have brought up here that could mark the diffrence between people being alive or dead. And I have no way of knowing for sure if those here that were killed by the drugs that Mr Hsiung allows to be promoted would be alive today if the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung were not made to me. I wonder though, by the nature of all the evidence coming out now that substantiates that psychotropic drugs shorten the life span of those that take them. And the number of deaths from these drugs continue to mathematically increase as the advertising increases, and internet sites that promote mind-altering drugs increase to lead people to think that they can take a drug that could kill them give them peace and joy.
Now I do not have the blood of those that have died here from the drugs upon me. I can only do what you see here and I am prevented from posting what needs to be posted here by the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung. There is no doubt in my mind that if I was not prohibited from posting from a Jewish perspective here, that those that were killed by the drugs here, could at least have had the opportunity to turn from the drugs that killed them and be lead into a new life and be alive today.
Your psychiatrist/doctor can legally give you a drug that could kill you or addict you or give you a life-ruining condition. Look at the lives of the people here that promote these drugs. And when someone comes here to get help to get off the drugs, I am prohibited to post to them what I think could deliver them out of the bondage of drugs from my perspective, and they then are deprived not by me, but by the prohibitor, of learnng from me that could save their lives or prevent them from getting a life-ruining condition or death.
Time is of the essence here, for the longer the drugs are taken, the more the chances increase of the drugs killing them. Yet today, the furnace of hate is being stoked here by Mr Hsiung allowing scapegoating to be directed toward me accusing me of being responsible for their real or imagined problems here. Mr Hsiung and his deputy control the content here, so they are responsible, not me.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 8:08:50
In reply to Re: Academic exercise., posted by schleprock on October 28, 2012, at 16:11:40
> You scared them away Lou. What do you have to say for yourself now?
If you're referring to me, I don't think it's fair to blame Lou as the sole cause.
There's a limit to the level of unpleasantness a sole voice on an internet bulletin board can stir up without assistance from others.
Posted by SLS on October 29, 2012, at 10:34:05
In reply to Re: Academic exercise. » schleprock, posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 8:08:50
Perhaps someone could redirect these subthreads to the appropriate boards?
I am not sorry that I initiated this thread. However, I didn't foresee it heading in different directions.
The point I was trying to make is that people should not be ridiculed personally for their views on psychiatric treatments. What I see happening is a split into two themes that have little to do with the Medications board. Although difficult to separate, there are matters of Administration and Faith that I think should be redirected to those boards. As it stands now, the thread is causing a distraction from psychiatric treatment issues, and consumes a great portion of the board. I don't think it makes this forum attractive to others to join or participate.
Perhaps it makes sense for participants to refrain from posting along this thread issues of site administration or religion, and begin new threads regarding these issues on the appropriate boards. If not, then I guess we might suggest that certain posts be redirected to other boards. I would prefer to see a website forum moderator do this, though.
- Scott
Posted by schleprock on October 29, 2012, at 12:34:29
In reply to Lou's reply-theblud » schleprock, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 5:02:09
Lou, could you possibly post a link to Mr. Hsuing's exact prohibition towards you. I wish to see exactly what manner of tyranny we're up against.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 13:09:15
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-theblud, posted by schleprock on October 29, 2012, at 12:34:29
> Lou, could you possibly post a link to Mr. Hsuing's exact prohibition towards you. I wish to see exactly what manner of tyranny we're up against.
schleprock,
There is another prohibition to me here that prevents mr from posting that link, even thogh it is a post here.
BUt you saw the one prohibition and is on the top of the admin board that involves the prohibition of me from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me.
I would like for all to see that post to me from Mr Hsiung but he did prohibit me from posting links to poste here that have particular criteria. Granted, the post and prohibition was only to me, which brings up the issue of that there could be two standards here. And when a Jew id subjected to different terms and cionditions in a community, the EU defines that to be an antisemitic policy. So you see, there is much more to antisemitism than just allowing antisemitic statements to stand here, There is what is known as {against Judaism) or anti-Judaism.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 29, 2012, at 18:28:26
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-theblud, posted by schleprock on October 29, 2012, at 12:34:29
To Clarify Lou did not hurt or kill anyone here. If someone did. It was either free will, or a mistake. I knew those people from here. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 19:43:43
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-theblud » schleprock, posted by Phillipa on October 29, 2012, at 18:28:26
> To Clarify Lou did not hurt or kill anyone here. If someone did. It was either free will, or a mistake. I knew those people from here. Phillipa
Phillipa,
Thank you for coming to the aid of the truth.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 29, 2012, at 19:59:42
In reply to Lou's reply- » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 19:43:43
Lou it's true. I will not see you or anyone else hurt here is I can help it. Phillipa
Posted by Moishe Pipik on October 30, 2012, at 12:14:19
In reply to Re: Lou's reply- » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on October 29, 2012, at 19:59:42
Putting aside the "mental illness" debate for a moment, perhaps single-minded unrelenting zeal is more the case here. There are many "issues" where often-frightening activists ply their wares ad nauseum, sometimes even with deadly results - anti-abortionists, animal rights people, the Tea Party, the KKK, anti-Obama Republicans, etc.. I call it "Chicken Little Syndrome". Such people seem to be unable to look at a bigger picture.
Insanity? Mental illness? Or perhaps just really, really, really annoying.
And like the boy who cried wolf, often simply ignored.
Posted by Moishe Pipik on October 30, 2012, at 12:28:25
In reply to Re: Let us not ridicule the person., posted by SLS on October 27, 2012, at 7:09:02
>
> I sometimes wonder in what ways Dr. Bob might be influenced to no longer block people from posting. Perhaps there is a man behind the curtain to the man behind the curtain.
>
> I'm just musing. Obviously, something changed the behavior of the moderator. I am interested to know what that was.
>
>
> - Scott(referencing my previous post) Maybe Bob finally realized that the civility zealots were wrong, and that the forum didn't go to hell in a handbasket as a result of not blocking posters.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 31, 2012, at 22:30:08
In reply to Lou's reply-ahntygwdazm, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 13:09:15
> > Lou, could you possibly post a link to Mr. Hsuing's exact prohibition towards you. I wish to see exactly what manner of tyranny we're up against.
>
> schleprock,
> There is another prohibition to me here that prevents mr from posting that link, even thogh it is a post here.
> BUt you saw the one prohibition and is on the top of the admin board that involves the prohibition of me from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me.
> I would like for all to see that post to me from Mr Hsiung but he did prohibit me from posting links to poste here that have particular criteria. Granted, the post and prohibition was only to me, which brings up the issue of that there could be two standards here. And when a Jew id subjected to different terms and cionditions in a community, the EU defines that to be an antisemitic policy. So you see, there is much more to antisemitism than just allowing antisemitic statements to stand here, There is what is known as {against Judaism) or anti-Judaism.
> Louschleprock,
Here is another prohibition reppressing my speech here to prohibit me from posting anything that was in a particular time period. Notice that the prohibition reppresses what a Jew needs to show historical parallels of antisemitic tactics. Notice that the prohibition is only to me. This brings up the issue of special rules to me which is also a form of (redacted by respondent)and the concept of two-standards.
Lou
To see this post, pull up Google and type in:
[Re: referring, 100990]
th number 100990 will be iin the colord strip.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 31, 2012, at 22:47:45
In reply to Lou's reply-ptewpstan, posted by Lou Pilder on October 31, 2012, at 22:30:08
> > > Lou, could you possibly post a link to Mr. Hsuing's exact prohibition towards you. I wish to see exactly what manner of tyranny we're up against.
> >
> > schleprock,
> > There is another prohibition to me here that prevents mr from posting that link, even thogh it is a post here.
> > BUt you saw the one prohibition and is on the top of the admin board that involves the prohibition of me from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me.
> > I would like for all to see that post to me from Mr Hsiung but he did prohibit me from posting links to poste here that have particular criteria. Granted, the post and prohibition was only to me, which brings up the issue of that there could be two standards here. And when a Jew id subjected to different terms and cionditions in a community, the EU defines that to be an antisemitic policy. So you see, there is much more to antisemitism than just allowing antisemitic statements to stand here, There is what is known as {against Judaism) or anti-Judaism.
> > Lou
>
> schleprock,
> Here is another prohibition reppressing my speech here to prohibit me from posting anything that was in a particular time period. Notice that the prohibition reppresses what a Jew needs to show historical parallels of antisemitic tactics. Notice that the prohibition is only to me. This brings up the issue of special rules to me which is also a form of (redacted by respondent)and the concept of two-standards.
> Lou
> To see this post, pull up Google and type in:
> [Re: referring, 100990]
> th number 100990 will be iin the colord strip.correction:
To see this post go to the search box at the bottom of this page for this site, not Google
Type in,
[Re:referring to or the,1009990]
the 1009990 is in the colored strip
Lou
Posted by AlexCanada on November 2, 2012, at 9:38:16
In reply to Let us not ridicule the person., posted by SLS on October 26, 2012, at 0:03:05
Lou has never stated he has any mental illness to speak of because he has none. He cannot relate to the severe mental issues of the individuals on this forum and he somehow feels he is qualified to tell us to ditch the meds and exclusively embrace prayer. That is the problem.
Lou does not realize the great danger he is committing with his anti-med agenda. Especially considering he has no idea what we are going through. He will never know what it means to suffer from melancholic depression, panic disorder, GAD, PTSD, Phychotic depression, and a whole range of other issues which so many are struggling with on this forum.
We are here for help and support. Lou has never expressed any opinion which does not involve Dropping all medication. This includes fear tactics of cherry picked articles and youtube videos to scare people into thinking that we are all going to become serial killers due to taking medication. It sounds rediculous because quite frankly it is.
His behaviour is repulsive and the fact of the matter is that he is causing much harm and suffering. He is oblivious to it as many people who push the anti-med agenda are but he is one of those individuals who does genuinely feel the human brain is the only organ in the human body which somehow cannot get sick. This defies logic. For him to discourage people from taking their meds by using a misinformed anti-med agenda when he himself cannot even relate to anyone here is very dangerous.
He does not suffer from issues which we deal with on a daily basis. He does not understand. He feels qualified to tell us to drop the medication regardless of our plight and regardless of what our doctors advise us.
That is the problem. Lou is causing tremendous harm. Hopefully something will be done about this because too many lives are at risk.
> Lou Pilder is a person. He is not his opinions. I disagree with most of his opinions, but I try not to make him the object of ridicule. I like to think that I succeed, but I may not.
>
> In my opinion, ridicule is ugly, and it makes Psycho-Babble a less attractive place.
>
> I can't know for sure that Lou Pilder has an Axis I mental illness. However, having a mental illness doesn't preclude other people from posting here without being ridiculed.
>
> Of course, the above is just one person's opinion. I just hope that no one will ridicule me for offering it. Contrary to what some people think, I do have feelings, and can be hurt. Lou Pilder demonstrates great resiliency in the face of ridicule. I am not sure that I would be so resilient. If nothing else, Lou Pilder is determined and not easily deterred by ridicule and personal attacks. I wish I were more like him in this respect.
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by Dinah on November 2, 2012, at 12:54:25
In reply to Lou Lou Lou. Causing great harm. » SLS, posted by AlexCanada on November 2, 2012, at 9:38:16
I'm not sure how you came to your conclusions. Other people see the same facts and come to a completely different conclusion.
There are all sorts of possibilities that we can't really be aware of unless Lou chooses to share them. Lou doesn't appear comfortable sharing them. We don't know Lou's experience with the mental health system.
My own belief is that Lou is trying to help others in the best way he knows how. I don't think his intent was malicious.
Posted by phillipa on November 2, 2012, at 20:51:06
In reply to Lou » AlexCanada, posted by Dinah on November 2, 2012, at 12:54:25
Dinah when he writes me he always asks me to support him on one of his threads. He doesn't get it. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 4, 2012, at 6:17:38
In reply to Lou Lou Lou. Causing great harm. » SLS, posted by AlexCanada on November 2, 2012, at 9:38:16
> Lou has never stated he has any mental illness to speak of because he has none. He cannot relate to the severe mental issues of the individuals on this forum and he somehow feels he is qualified to tell us to ditch the meds and exclusively embrace prayer. That is the problem.
>
> Lou does not realize the great danger he is committing with his anti-med agenda. Especially considering he has no idea what we are going through. He will never know what it means to suffer from melancholic depression, panic disorder, GAD, PTSD, Phychotic depression, and a whole range of other issues which so many are struggling with on this forum.
>
> We are here for help and support. Lou has never expressed any opinion which does not involve Dropping all medication. This includes fear tactics of cherry picked articles and youtube videos to scare people into thinking that we are all going to become serial killers due to taking medication. It sounds rediculous because quite frankly it is.
>
> His behaviour is repulsive and the fact of the matter is that he is causing much harm and suffering. He is oblivious to it as many people who push the anti-med agenda are but he is one of those individuals who does genuinely feel the human brain is the only organ in the human body which somehow cannot get sick. This defies logic. For him to discourage people from taking their meds by using a misinformed anti-med agenda when he himself cannot even relate to anyone here is very dangerous.
>
> He does not suffer from issues which we deal with on a daily basis. He does not understand. He feels qualified to tell us to drop the medication regardless of our plight and regardless of what our doctors advise us.
>
> That is the problem. Lou is causing tremendous harm. Hopefully something will be done about this because too many lives are at risk.
>
> > Lou Pilder is a person. He is not his opinions. I disagree with most of his opinions, but I try not to make him the object of ridicule. I like to think that I succeed, but I may not.
> >
> > In my opinion, ridicule is ugly, and it makes Psycho-Babble a less attractive place.
> >
> > I can't know for sure that Lou Pilder has an Axis I mental illness. However, having a mental illness doesn't preclude other people from posting here without being ridiculed.
> >
> > Of course, the above is just one person's opinion. I just hope that no one will ridicule me for offering it. Contrary to what some people think, I do have feelings, and can be hurt. Lou Pilder demonstrates great resiliency in the face of ridicule. I am not sure that I would be so resilient. If nothing else, Lou Pilder is determined and not easily deterred by ridicule and personal attacks. I wish I were more like him in this respect.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> A_C,
Please do not post here anytghing that could have the potential for it to be considerd that you are using me for a scapegoat. The fact that Mr Hsiung is allowing you and others to do this does not ligitimize the damage that could be done to me from what you post about me. I am here to save lives and give support and education that could help people make a more informed decision as to take mind-altering addicting drugs or not that could cause them to have suicidal thoughts or homocidal thoughts or give them a life-ruining condition. That is supportive in any mental health community. I have posted over and over and over that stopping the mind-altering drugs given by a psychiatrist could cause one to be in a suicidal state. I am prohibited by Mr Hsiung from posting what has been revealed to me that could lead people in addiction and depression and in a suicidal state to a new life free from addiction and depression. This involves the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me which is prohibited for me to post here by the directives to me here by Mr Hsiung. Please do not ever agian post here what could have the potential to be considered blame toward me.
Lou
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