Posted by Lou Pilder on October 28, 2012, at 23:17:53
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-clarify, posted by schleprock on October 28, 2012, at 22:46:25
> > > > > I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'd really like to know.
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> > > > > Is the Rider God? Did he charge you with a mission directly to Babble, or did you take that mission on yourself? Did the Rider give you specific instructions? Does he have ongoing conversations with you about your progress here? How do you understand on a day by day basis how he feels about your posts? Does he tell you how to interpret Babblers' posts, or is that your own interpretation?
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> > > > > Do you understand your mission to be to save Babblers from the shackles of addiction to psych meds? Or do you consider it to be to save them from the Lake of Fire? Does addiction put one in the Lake of Fire? Wouldn't the Lake of Fire be reserved for the truly wicked?
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> > > > > I could be mistaken. It's been a while since you spoke of your vision. Are Babblers concerned with the lake of fire at all? And wasn't there a boneyard beyond the lake of fire?
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> > > > D,
> > > > Is this the post?
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20111110/msgs/1002289.html
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> > > Lou, why do you purport to have had revelations based on the foundations of Judaism when these revelations borrow so much from Christianity?
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> > > 1. Lake of fire: borrowed by Christians from Greek conceptions of Hades. Traditional Judaism during and before Jesus time had a very vague at best belief in a neutral afterlife (if at all) that shared no imagery with current beleiefs of heaven and hell. (See Sheol)
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> > > 2. Rider on white horse: no idea if the imagery is used in the Old Testament, could be referring to either death (pale horse) or maybe Christ as described in the book of revelations.
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> > > 3. Son of Man: certainly a Christian phrase (reference to Christ). Might be found in the Old Testament, but probably bears little relevance to Jews today.
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> > > 4. House of Lost Sheep: definite reference taken from the new testament, possibly verbatim. Very close relation to the parable of the prodigal son.
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> > > 5. Flesh\Spirit dichotomy: not very prominant in the Old Testament. Something that was really more developed in Greece. Again, not very relevant in a culture with a very vague and underdeveloped eschatology.
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> > > 6. Resurrection: Absolutely not a core Jewish belief. The only case of resurrection to occur in the Old Testament were Job's sons. This concept is essentially what made Christianity what it is, and what sharply divided it from Judaism.
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> > > 7. Heaven: see number 6.
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> > > Lou, I don't know whether these are intended as metaphors or anything, but they certainly don't evoke the foundations of Judaism. Have you considered the possibility that these revelations were intended to motivate you to convert to Christianity in addition to starting your ministry? Maybe you know this deep down inside and it's causing you to project all this antisemitism on this forum, beacuse you're really scared of abandoning your Judaism. But Lou, you don't really come across as "semetic."
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> > schleprock,
> > You wrote a lot here that I would like to answer. But first, I need to know what you want to mean concerning,[...project all this antisemitism...]
> > What I am trying to do is stop Mr Hsiung from allowing statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings from being allowed to stand. You see, what I could say to lead people to be free from depression and addiction depends on stopping the encouragment of antisemitism that happens when antisemitic statements here are allowed to stand. This is because Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that one match could start a forest fire. This means that there is the potential for statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand to lead peole to think that antisemitism is supportive here and since Mr Hsiung states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, people could think to collaborate with him and post more antisemitism and hatred toward the Jews and then I could become a victim of antisemitic violence as well as myself not being allowed to share my perspective here, leavng only what Mr Hsiung will allow others here to know. So the antisemitic statements, unless sanctioned here, essentually prevent me from offering a way that could free people from addiction and depression from my perspective, which is from a Jewish perspective.
> > So is what you posted what you wanted to post?
> > Lou
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> Have you ever wondered why God would send to a forum to deliver your revelation that is a known wretched hive of antisemitism and villainy? Christ and his disciples were also sent to places to deliver their ministry that would violently reject their message, and you know what happened to them. Christ did not let the cup pass, nor wait 8 years for a response regarding the rampant antichristianity in Roman dominated Jewish villages. Maybe the idea is to be brave and deliver your message despite the rampant antisemitism, even if your message has the indirect consequences of provoking more antisemitism and violence. Perhaps it's important enough for that. You certainly wouldn't deny that God had the omniscience to know you would experience antisemitic reactions on psychobabble, just as Jesus knew he would be crucified. But perhaps this need not be every prophets path, and maybe some sort of compromise is acceptable in delivering the revelation. Perhaps, in an effort to keep you and others from experiencing physical harm from rampant antisemitism that Mr. Hsuing, either intentionally or unintentionally, is unable to contain, God gave you the revelation in a form bearing many Christian motifs, so to disguise their Jewish roots and therefore avoid the arousal of antisemitism. Maybe it is not your destiny to be crucified, as long as you modify your current behavior. The book of revelations was written in metaphors so to deceive the Roman oppresors of early Christianity. Perhaps, if you're clever enough, you can deliver your message in a similar fashion, and thus deceive Dr. Hsuing and all the antisimetic members of this forum (who would seem to compose the majority.) Maybe it's time to fight Mr. Hsuings sorcery with some sorcery of your own!schleprock,
You wrote the above. There is a lot of aspects to your post that I would like to respond to.
But let us look at things here. There are people that are living in a death-state here, wanting to be free from the addiction of these drugs being allowed to be promoted as going to be antidepressants and such. But the facts speak for themselves, for looking at the posts here there are thoe that have tried the drugs and want a way out. I know of a way out. But this revelation hinges on the foundation of Judaism and you saw the post with the prohibition to me from Mr Hsiung and you posted to it and it is on the top of the admin board here saying a big hello from 2012. If you could post here what you mean by that, I would appreciate it.
But to go on, I have been talking about Noah here and the flood and the ark. An like in the days of Noah when they mocked and taunted him and ridiculed him, he went on with the building of the ark because he had revelation from God to do so. Now Jonah did not want to be sent to Ninaveh and was swallowed by a great fish and taken thewre and spit up on the beach. Noe Jesus of Nazereth I have not talked about here yet. But I have talked about Mekchizedek. The point here is that I know what there is here like you say. I know that there is persecution ahead and I have ben there before. I know how hate is promulgted toward someone. The process is ancient. First the leaders arpouse anger toward te target person. They do this by scapegoating and saying that the person will ruin the ommunity or it is hiis fault for there whatever. Then when enough anger is aroused toward that person a venue of spewing that anger out to the person is provided. That is what hate is, the anger that is fomented by the leader or leaders of the community. Then the leader could collaborate with the members and lead tham to think that they will be doig good for the commiunty if they attack the targeted person. This has been carried out historically for millimium.
Now Mr Hsiung calls me the Prince of Death and leaves the hatred toward me here unsanctioned.
BUt as Noah went on building the ark, so will I go on. And it took Noah 100 years to build the ark. I know a hard rain is gonna fall here. The skys are dark now and I perceive the winds of death permeateing the land here. I see those that are scoffing being led to hate me, but I am also building an ark, an ark that could lift them out of the darkness and into the light of life. When the rains come hard and the fountains of the deep are opened, the door may be shut to those here.
Lou
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