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Posted by g_g_g_unit on November 2, 2012, at 23:37:01
I started taking clonazepam about three months ago to assist with insomnia. I started on 1mg at night and ultimately ended up on 2mg.
Anyway, it didn't seem to help much (with sleep or anxiety), so I started cutting down by 0.5mg a week. I was finally on 0.25mg for the past two weeks and stopped completely two days ago.
I also cut my Memantine dose down to 5mg ten days ago. Now when I initially tried Memantine at 5mg, it was causing some anxiety, but for the past two days I've been feeling incredibly restless, jittery and uncomfortable (like I'm crawling out of my skin). My psychiatrist said 0.25mg was quite a small dose, but I tend to be sensitive to medication in general, so could I possibly be going through withdrawal?
It's rather unpleasant, so if so, how long could I anticipate it lasting?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 3, 2012, at 0:35:14
In reply to could this be clonazepam withdrawal?, posted by g_g_g_unit on November 2, 2012, at 23:37:01
yea.... .25mg is vary small, and it may not have any effect at all depending on the person.
Its probably because your body is losing gaba activity....from cutting down benzos to low doses. Nuerontin would be a GREAT option for withdrawl...its calming it self but not as direct as a benzo in action. that or lyrica
hang in there...
r
Posted by neuroscience on November 3, 2012, at 0:43:16
In reply to could this be clonazepam withdrawal?, posted by g_g_g_unit on November 2, 2012, at 23:37:01
> I started taking clonazepam about three months ago to assist with insomnia. I started on 1mg at night and ultimately ended up on 2mg.
>
> Anyway, it didn't seem to help much (with sleep or anxiety), so I started cutting down by 0.5mg a week. I was finally on 0.25mg for the past two weeks and stopped completely two days ago.
>
> I also cut my Memantine dose down to 5mg ten days ago. Now when I initially tried Memantine at 5mg, it was causing some anxiety, but for the past two days I've been feeling incredibly restless, jittery and uncomfortable (like I'm crawling out of my skin). My psychiatrist said 0.25mg was quite a small dose, but I tend to be sensitive to medication in general, so could I possibly be going through withdrawal?
>
> It's rather unpleasant, so if so, how long could I anticipate it lasting?maybe it's akathisia, memantine can cause this i believe
Posted by g_g_g_unit on November 3, 2012, at 0:48:20
In reply to Re: could this be clonazepam withdrawal?, posted by neuroscience on November 3, 2012, at 0:43:16
> maybe it's akathisia, memantine can cause this i believe
>It definitely feels like akathisia. Only thing is that, regardless of how anxious I've felt on Memantine (been on it for about 6 weeks), I never experienced anything resembling akathisia until now. So I thought it might be the clonazepam .. maybe I'll just bite the bullet and take 0.25mg, then call my psychiatrist next week.
Posted by g_g_g_unit on November 3, 2012, at 0:49:25
In reply to Re: could this be clonazepam withdrawal?, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 3, 2012, at 0:35:14
> yea.... .25mg is vary small, and it may not have any effect at all depending on the person.
>
> Its probably because your body is losing gaba activity....from cutting down benzos to low doses. Nuerontin would be a GREAT option for withdrawl...its calming it self but not as direct as a benzo in action. that or lyrica
>
> hang in there...
> rI have some Neurontin at home .. but last time I stopped that I experienced terrible rebound anxiety ..
Posted by neuroscience on November 3, 2012, at 1:19:39
In reply to Re: could this be clonazepam withdrawal? » neuroscience, posted by g_g_g_unit on November 3, 2012, at 0:48:20
> > maybe it's akathisia, memantine can cause this i believe
> >
>
> It definitely feels like akathisia. Only thing is that, regardless of how anxious I've felt on Memantine (been on it for about 6 weeks), I never experienced anything resembling akathisia until now. So I thought it might be the clonazepam .. maybe I'll just bite the bullet and take 0.25mg, then call my psychiatrist next week.
>
>
>
>Yeah. It started two days ago when you stopped clonazepam completely, so maybe it's akathisia from clonazepam withdrawal. It would be interesting to hear what your doctor thinks, hopefully he/she is a good one.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 3, 2012, at 6:27:03
In reply to could this be clonazepam withdrawal?, posted by g_g_g_unit on November 2, 2012, at 23:37:01
> I started taking clonazepam about three months ago to assist with insomnia. I started on 1mg at night and ultimately ended up on 2mg.
>
> Anyway, it didn't seem to help much (with sleep or anxiety), so I started cutting down by 0.5mg a week. I was finally on 0.25mg for the past two weeks and stopped completely two days ago.
>
> I also cut my Memantine dose down to 5mg ten days ago. Now when I initially tried Memantine at 5mg, it was causing some anxiety, but for the past two days I've been feeling incredibly restless, jittery and uncomfortable (like I'm crawling out of my skin). My psychiatrist said 0.25mg was quite a small dose, but I tend to be sensitive to medication in general, so could I possibly be going through withdrawal?
>
> It's rather unpleasant, so if so, how long could I anticipate it lasting?g_g_g unit,
You asked, how long? What you are experiancing could be the beginning of sorrows. You see, the benzodiazepine that you have been taking can induce addiction in as few as 7 days and withdrawal can happen when you stop the drug. The withdrawal period can induce a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves amd/or others.
Now the great danger here is that someone may tell you to take more mind-altering drugs. If you do take them, there could be a reacation that could be worse than the state that you are in now. And then you could go the rest of your life looking for a new drug and suffer horrendous consequences including tardive dyskinesia/dystonia, diabetes, suicidal ideation, heart attack, loss of sexual function, liver disease, blood disease, high blood pressure , extreme weight gain, and other complications that could cause death.
So now you ask here what road to go on and how long will the withdrawal last. You have a chance now to understand the severe consequences awaiting you from these mind-altering chemicals. Yet tody, I am prevented from posting here much educational aspects of these chemicals that IMHHHO could save your life or prevent a life-ruining condition, addiction or death, due to the prohibitions posted to me here from Mr Hsiung. And on top of that, Mr Hsiung is allowing all members here to post hatred about me that can be considerd supportive here by the nature that support takes precedence according to Mr Hsiung and people could think that if something is being allowed to be posted without sanction, then it is supportive. Those type of defamatory statements about me, including lies, decreases the respect and regard and confidence in what I post here and can cause hostile and disagreeable opinions or feelings against me. This then being allowed here could IMHO keep you from healing and lead you to a road that leads to death or a life-ruining condition or addiction from drugs. It is generally accpeted that 42,000 people died last year from psychotropic drugs. And this year could be more deaths because of the advertising allowed to promote mind-altering drugs that can cause death and addiction and life-ruining conditions. And many here could be enticed by the smileing face of a woman taking the drug advertised and be led to believe that it is safe to take by that advertisement. But look at the lives here. Look at the sufferring. Look at the crying that people are going to kill themselves. Look at the posts here allowed by Mr Hsiung tha insult Judaism/Islam and other faiths. Look at the huge amount of defamation toward me dumped upon me here that is allowed to stand.
Time is ticking and some may run out of time here soon. Now is the time. Now is the time to understand that by Mr Hsiung suppressing my speech here with his prohibitions to me, that there is an attempt to keep people here from knowing all of the truth, for a suppressed truth IMHO can lead one here to their death.
Now it has been revealed to me a way for you to withdrawal from the drugs and come out of the darkness of addiction and depression into a marvelous light free from the bondage of mind-altering addicting drugs. I am prohibited by Mr Hsiung to post that here. Yet today, members here can post to you to take this drug or that drug, and all the while the chemicals in those drugs attack the structures of your brain to produce what the drugs do and you can get deeper and deeper into depression and addiction and life-ruining conditions or death.
So I say to you, take no thought about what people here are allowed to post about me, and go to your psychiatrist/doctor/other prescriber and ask them:
A. Are there chemicals in the pills that you give me those that are used in insecticides to kill?
B. Can the drug cause addiction to me?
C. Can the chemicals in the pill cause diabetes?
D. Can the chemicals in the pills induce a mind-altered state to compel me to want to kill myself and/or others?
E. If I am addicted by the drugs you give me, will you pay me for the suffereing and pain that I have to go through to withdrawal from the drug?
F. If the pills kill me, will you pay my survivors a death benefit?
G. Are any of the chemicals in the drugs also chemicals that have been used in nerve agents to commit mass-murder?
H. If the chemicals in the pills rob me of my sexuallity would you be willing to pay me for the dehumanizing of me that robs me of part of my humanity?
K. If the PI states that the drug can cause depression, and I am depressed, why are you giving me a drug like that?
L. If the FDA says hat the drug can increase suicidal thing, and I am suicidal, why are you wanting me to take such a drug?
M. Can the drug induce tardive dyskinesia/dystonia?
N. other questions needed for answers to be given
Lou
Posted by neuroscience on November 3, 2012, at 8:04:26
In reply to Lou's response-nowlizdahtym » g_g_g_unit, posted by Lou Pilder on November 3, 2012, at 6:27:03
> > I started taking clonazepam about three months ago to assist with insomnia. I started on 1mg at night and ultimately ended up on 2mg.
> >
> > Anyway, it didn't seem to help much (with sleep or anxiety), so I started cutting down by 0.5mg a week. I was finally on 0.25mg for the past two weeks and stopped completely two days ago.
> >
> > I also cut my Memantine dose down to 5mg ten days ago. Now when I initially tried Memantine at 5mg, it was causing some anxiety, but for the past two days I've been feeling incredibly restless, jittery and uncomfortable (like I'm crawling out of my skin). My psychiatrist said 0.25mg was quite a small dose, but I tend to be sensitive to medication in general, so could I possibly be going through withdrawal?
> >
> > It's rather unpleasant, so if so, how long could I anticipate it lasting?
>
> g_g_g unit,
> You asked, how long? What you are experiancing could be the beginning of sorrows. You see, the benzodiazepine that you have been taking can induce addiction in as few as 7 days and withdrawal can happen when you stop the drug. The withdrawal period can induce a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves amd/or others.If I felt better right now I'd add more in reply, but, this mind-altered state, it's ambiguous as you put it though, with no explanation.
Of the cases I've read of these drugs causing someone to be suicidal/homicidal at their cessation (usually abrupt cessation), the given explanations were akathisia, an acute withdrawal induced akathisia; psychosis (I'm supposing mixed with akathisia). I think because of the way these drugs work sometimes, inhibition perhaps plays a role.
g_g_g_unit will be fine though. It's probably withdrawal form klonopin. And it's hardly sounding as a disastrous withdrawal.
Lou maybe you want to really help people. But telling people here that you can't because Dr. Bob won't let you, isn't helping people imo.
Posted by Phil on November 3, 2012, at 8:18:14
In reply to could this be clonazepam withdrawal?, posted by g_g_g_unit on November 2, 2012, at 23:37:01
The 5th chart down shows a taper off of 1.5 mg Clonazepam using Valium as a substitution and then tapering it. This could help getting off of the last bit.
That's a pretty big dose for sleep.
Posted by phillipa on November 3, 2012, at 9:39:02
In reply to Re: could this be clonazepam withdrawal? » g_g_g_unit, posted by Phil on November 3, 2012, at 8:18:14
Phil .5 of klonopin seriously is a large dose for sleep? Wow I had a horrible doc at one time. He had me on xanax and had upped chloral hydrate to 20cc for sleep. I no longer take it years now but he sure was liberal with meds. I feel the same klonopin is strong and taper to valium is what's usually done in detox. Phillipa
Posted by phillipa on November 3, 2012, at 9:40:15
In reply to Re: could this be clonazepam withdrawal? » g_g_g_unit, posted by Phil on November 3, 2012, at 8:18:14
Read original post again see it is or was 2mg yes agree that is a high dose. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 3, 2012, at 9:53:29
In reply to Re: Lou's response-nowlizdahtym, posted by neuroscience on November 3, 2012, at 8:04:26
> > > I started taking clonazepam about three months ago to assist with insomnia. I started on 1mg at night and ultimately ended up on 2mg.
> > >
> > > Anyway, it didn't seem to help much (with sleep or anxiety), so I started cutting down by 0.5mg a week. I was finally on 0.25mg for the past two weeks and stopped completely two days ago.
> > >
> > > I also cut my Memantine dose down to 5mg ten days ago. Now when I initially tried Memantine at 5mg, it was causing some anxiety, but for the past two days I've been feeling incredibly restless, jittery and uncomfortable (like I'm crawling out of my skin). My psychiatrist said 0.25mg was quite a small dose, but I tend to be sensitive to medication in general, so could I possibly be going through withdrawal?
> > >
> > > It's rather unpleasant, so if so, how long could I anticipate it lasting?
> >
> > g_g_g unit,
> > You asked, how long? What you are experiancing could be the beginning of sorrows. You see, the benzodiazepine that you have been taking can induce addiction in as few as 7 days and withdrawal can happen when you stop the drug. The withdrawal period can induce a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves amd/or others.
>
> If I felt better right now I'd add more in reply, but, this mind-altered state, it's ambiguous as you put it though, with no explanation.
>
> Of the cases I've read of these drugs causing someone to be suicidal/homicidal at their cessation (usually abrupt cessation), the given explanations were akathisia, an acute withdrawal induced akathisia; psychosis (I'm supposing mixed with akathisia). I think because of the way these drugs work sometimes, inhibition perhaps plays a role.
>
> g_g_g_unit will be fine though. It's probably withdrawal form klonopin. And it's hardly sounding as a disastrous withdrawal.
>
> Lou maybe you want to really help people. But telling people here that you can't because Dr. Bob won't let you, isn't helping people imo.
>
> n_s
You wrote about the mind-altered state that one can be in when they are in the withdraweal phsae from mind-altering drugs as being ambiguous with no explanation. Yo say the poster will be fine and that it doesn't help to post the fact that Mr Hiung has posted prohbitions to me here.
On the contrary, my friend. You see, when a person's speech is supressed to where they can not post what hey think could help others withdrawal without killing themselves, then an indoctrination could happen which could lead the person to think that there is not hope from the perspective that is prohibited to be posted. That could lead the person in a direction away from their chance to be healed and prevent a life-ruining condition or death by the nature that they are prohibited from learning from me which it has been revaled to me a way that could lead the person to freedom from addiction without the risk of getting a life-ruining condition or a substituted addiction from other drugs, or death. e
You see, I think that I have an obligation to post truth here. Truth that IMHO could mark the difference between life and death and that if one knows that I am prohibited from doing that, then I have done what I could to help. You say that the member will be fine. There are people that have withdrawal symptoms from BZDs for a very long time. They are not fine in that state at all. There are cases of suicide in the withdrawal phase as you say is when they have akathisia. I hae read cases where people in withdrawal think that they will never recover out of it and kill themselves in a compeled type of suicide. This is a dangerous period where peopole do kill themselves and I am posting that fact so the member could take heed and not be deceived into thinking that the chance of suicide is not there. I want them to know that now, not after it is too late.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/clonazepam/suicidal+thoughts
>
Posted by neuroscience on November 3, 2012, at 12:56:20
In reply to Lou's reply-warneeng » neuroscience, posted by Lou Pilder on November 3, 2012, at 9:53:29
> > > > I started taking clonazepam about three months ago to assist with insomnia. I started on 1mg at night and ultimately ended up on 2mg.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, it didn't seem to help much (with sleep or anxiety), so I started cutting down by 0.5mg a week. I was finally on 0.25mg for the past two weeks and stopped completely two days ago.
> > > >
> > > > I also cut my Memantine dose down to 5mg ten days ago. Now when I initially tried Memantine at 5mg, it was causing some anxiety, but for the past two days I've been feeling incredibly restless, jittery and uncomfortable (like I'm crawling out of my skin). My psychiatrist said 0.25mg was quite a small dose, but I tend to be sensitive to medication in general, so could I possibly be going through withdrawal?
> > > >
> > > > It's rather unpleasant, so if so, how long could I anticipate it lasting?
> > >
> > > g_g_g unit,
> > > You asked, how long? What you are experiancing could be the beginning of sorrows. You see, the benzodiazepine that you have been taking can induce addiction in as few as 7 days and withdrawal can happen when you stop the drug. The withdrawal period can induce a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves amd/or others.
> >
> > If I felt better right now I'd add more in reply, but, this mind-altered state, it's ambiguous as you put it though, with no explanation.
> >
> > Of the cases I've read of these drugs causing someone to be suicidal/homicidal at their cessation (usually abrupt cessation), the given explanations were akathisia, an acute withdrawal induced akathisia; psychosis (I'm supposing mixed with akathisia). I think because of the way these drugs work sometimes, inhibition perhaps plays a role.
> >
> > g_g_g_unit will be fine though. It's probably withdrawal form klonopin. And it's hardly sounding as a disastrous withdrawal.
> >
> > Lou maybe you want to really help people. But telling people here that you can't because Dr. Bob won't let you, isn't helping people imo.
> >
> > n_s
> You wrote about the mind-altered state that one can be in when they are in the withdraweal phsae from mind-altering drugs as being ambiguous with no explanation. Yo say the poster will be fine and that it doesn't help to post the fact that Mr Hiung has posted prohbitions to me here.
> On the contrary, my friend. You see, when a person's speech is supressed to where they can not post what hey think could help others withdrawal without killing themselves, then an indoctrination could happen which could lead the person to think that there is not hope from the perspective that is prohibited to be posted. That could lead the person in a direction away from their chance to be healed and prevent a life-ruining condition or death by the nature that they are prohibited from learning from me which it has been revaled to me a way that could lead the person to freedom from addiction without the risk of getting a life-ruining condition or a substituted addiction from other drugs, or death. e
> You see, I think that I have an obligation to post truth here. Truth that IMHO could mark the difference between life and death and that if one knows that I am prohibited from doing that, then I have done what I could to help. You say that the member will be fine. There are people that have withdrawal symptoms from BZDs for a very long time. They are not fine in that state at all. There are cases of suicide in the withdrawal phase as you say is when they have akathisia. I hae read cases where people in withdrawal think that they will never recover out of it and kill themselves in a compeled type of suicide. This is a dangerous period where peopole do kill themselves and I am posting that fact so the member could take heed and not be deceived into thinking that the chance of suicide is not there. I want them to know that now, not after it is too late.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/clonazepam/suicidal+thoughts
> >
>
>I myself have had tardive akathisia now for 8 1/2 years. I know how dangerous these drugs can be. I don't like neuroleptics and wish I was never given them and I'm glad I'm at least not on them anymore.
I think g_g_g_unit will be ok though because his symptoms don't seem that bad.
You always say that information has been revealed to you. This sounds like a spiritual revelation to me, is that what you mean?
You never say research for example, or an epiphany.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 3, 2012, at 20:48:43
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-warneeng, posted by neuroscience on November 3, 2012, at 12:56:20
> > > > > I started taking clonazepam about three months ago to assist with insomnia. I started on 1mg at night and ultimately ended up on 2mg.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, it didn't seem to help much (with sleep or anxiety), so I started cutting down by 0.5mg a week. I was finally on 0.25mg for the past two weeks and stopped completely two days ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also cut my Memantine dose down to 5mg ten days ago. Now when I initially tried Memantine at 5mg, it was causing some anxiety, but for the past two days I've been feeling incredibly restless, jittery and uncomfortable (like I'm crawling out of my skin). My psychiatrist said 0.25mg was quite a small dose, but I tend to be sensitive to medication in general, so could I possibly be going through withdrawal?
> > > > >
> > > > > It's rather unpleasant, so if so, how long could I anticipate it lasting?
> > > >
> > > > g_g_g unit,
> > > > You asked, how long? What you are experiancing could be the beginning of sorrows. You see, the benzodiazepine that you have been taking can induce addiction in as few as 7 days and withdrawal can happen when you stop the drug. The withdrawal period can induce a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves amd/or others.
> > >
> > > If I felt better right now I'd add more in reply, but, this mind-altered state, it's ambiguous as you put it though, with no explanation.
> > >
> > > Of the cases I've read of these drugs causing someone to be suicidal/homicidal at their cessation (usually abrupt cessation), the given explanations were akathisia, an acute withdrawal induced akathisia; psychosis (I'm supposing mixed with akathisia). I think because of the way these drugs work sometimes, inhibition perhaps plays a role.
> > >
> > > g_g_g_unit will be fine though. It's probably withdrawal form klonopin. And it's hardly sounding as a disastrous withdrawal.
> > >
> > > Lou maybe you want to really help people. But telling people here that you can't because Dr. Bob won't let you, isn't helping people imo.
> > >
> > > n_s
> > You wrote about the mind-altered state that one can be in when they are in the withdraweal phsae from mind-altering drugs as being ambiguous with no explanation. Yo say the poster will be fine and that it doesn't help to post the fact that Mr Hiung has posted prohbitions to me here.
> > On the contrary, my friend. You see, when a person's speech is supressed to where they can not post what hey think could help others withdrawal without killing themselves, then an indoctrination could happen which could lead the person to think that there is not hope from the perspective that is prohibited to be posted. That could lead the person in a direction away from their chance to be healed and prevent a life-ruining condition or death by the nature that they are prohibited from learning from me which it has been revaled to me a way that could lead the person to freedom from addiction without the risk of getting a life-ruining condition or a substituted addiction from other drugs, or death. e
> > You see, I think that I have an obligation to post truth here. Truth that IMHO could mark the difference between life and death and that if one knows that I am prohibited from doing that, then I have done what I could to help. You say that the member will be fine. There are people that have withdrawal symptoms from BZDs for a very long time. They are not fine in that state at all. There are cases of suicide in the withdrawal phase as you say is when they have akathisia. I hae read cases where people in withdrawal think that they will never recover out of it and kill themselves in a compeled type of suicide. This is a dangerous period where peopole do kill themselves and I am posting that fact so the member could take heed and not be deceived into thinking that the chance of suicide is not there. I want them to know that now, not after it is too late.
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/clonazepam/suicidal+thoughts
> > >
> >
> >
>
> I myself have had tardive akathisia now for 8 1/2 years. I know how dangerous these drugs can be. I don't like neuroleptics and wish I was never given them and I'm glad I'm at least not on them anymore.
>
> I think g_g_g_unit will be ok though because his symptoms don't seem that bad.
>
> You always say that information has been revealed to you. This sounds like a spiritual revelation to me, is that what you mean?
>
> You never say research for example, or an epiphany.n_s,
You wrote the above.
Now the aspect of revelation here reveals the mysteries of life to me which enables me to understand what is depression and addiction and how one could be freed from them. This comes from a Jewish perspective and the fouindation of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibited by Mr Hsiung for me to post what I need to in order for others to be freed from depression and addiction.
There are years of outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung and if you go to the admin board here you could post from your perspective and I could respond to you there.
Lou
Posted by g_g_g_unit on November 5, 2012, at 1:50:47
In reply to Re: could this be clonazepam withdrawal?, posted by neuroscience on November 3, 2012, at 1:19:39
>
> Yeah. It started two days ago when you stopped clonazepam completely, so maybe it's akathisia from clonazepam withdrawal. It would be interesting to hear what your doctor thinks, hopefully he/she is a good one.
>
>Hmm, I did end up reinstating clonazepam the night I wrote this .. it eased the physical anxiety, but I was still feeling mildly restless. Two days later and it seems to be doing very little, so maybe the Memantine is causing akathisia (I'm not particularly anxious, but I am quite jittery and internally restless, and I also feel like I'm gently biting on my tongue a lot of the time).
Do you have any idea if the akathisia is meant to be a temporary side-effect, neuroscience? Overall 5mg is proving quite a lot more tolerable than the higher doses, so I'd be curious to see if it does anything over time, but akathisia would be a deal-breaker.
Posted by neuroscience on November 5, 2012, at 7:56:16
In reply to Re: could this be clonazepam withdrawal? » neuroscience, posted by g_g_g_unit on November 5, 2012, at 1:50:47
>
> >
> > Yeah. It started two days ago when you stopped clonazepam completely, so maybe it's akathisia from clonazepam withdrawal. It would be interesting to hear what your doctor thinks, hopefully he/she is a good one.
> >
> >
>
> Hmm, I did end up reinstating clonazepam the night I wrote this .. it eased the physical anxiety, but I was still feeling mildly restless. Two days later and it seems to be doing very little, so maybe the Memantine is causing akathisia (I'm not particularly anxious, but I am quite jittery and internally restless, and I also feel like I'm gently biting on my tongue a lot of the time).
>
> Do you have any idea if the akathisia is meant to be a temporary side-effect, neuroscience? Overall 5mg is proving quite a lot more tolerable than the higher doses, so I'd be curious to see if it does anything over time, but akathisia would be a deal-breaker.
>
>I don't know if it's a temporary side-effect. If it was really bad though, the feeling would be unbearable, you'd call your doctor as soon as possible to do something about the symptom.
With akathisia there are two parts: subjective and objective. Subjective is the inner tension, unbearable sometimes and even torturing. Objective is motor restlessness, moving your legs or moving your body constantly.
g_g_g_unit, I was doing a search on google for memantine and akathisia and I stumbled upon an old post of yours from this website about memantine + SSRI akathisia. It seems you are no stranger to akathisia. So you know what torture is then. So do I. Wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 5, 2012, at 10:32:18
In reply to Re: could this be clonazepam withdrawal?, posted by neuroscience on November 5, 2012, at 7:56:16
> >
> > >
> > > Yeah. It started two days ago when you stopped clonazepam completely, so maybe it's akathisia from clonazepam withdrawal. It would be interesting to hear what your doctor thinks, hopefully he/she is a good one.
> > >
> > > n_s,
You wrote,
[...I wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me...].
> >
> > Hmm, I did end up reinstating clonazepam the night I wrote this .. it eased the physical anxiety, but I was still feeling mildly restless. Two days later and it seems to be doing very little, so maybe the Memantine is causing akathisia (I'm not particularly anxious, but I am quite jittery and internally restless, and I also feel like I'm gently biting on my tongue a lot of the time).
> >
> > Do you have any idea if the akathisia is meant to be a temporary side-effect, neuroscience? Overall 5mg is proving quite a lot more tolerable than the higher doses, so I'd be curious to see if it does anything over time, but akathisia would be a deal-breaker.
> >
> >
>
> I don't know if it's a temporary side-effect. If it was really bad though, the feeling would be unbearable, you'd call your doctor as soon as possible to do something about the symptom.
>
> With akathisia there are two parts: subjective and objective. Subjective is the inner tension, unbearable sometimes and even torturing. Objective is motor restlessness, moving your legs or moving your body constantly.
>
> g_g_g_unit, I was doing a search on google for memantine and akathisia and I stumbled upon an old post of yours from this website about memantine + SSRI akathisia. It seems you are no stranger to akathisia. So you know what torture is then. So do I. Wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me.
>n_s,
You wrote,
[...I wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me...]
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 5, 2012, at 21:22:41
In reply to Lou's response- » neuroscience, posted by Lou Pilder on November 5, 2012, at 10:32:18
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah. It started two days ago when you stopped clonazepam completely, so maybe it's akathisia from clonazepam withdrawal. It would be interesting to hear what your doctor thinks, hopefully he/she is a good one.
> > > >
> > > > n_s,
> You wrote,
> [...I wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me...].
> > >
> > > Hmm, I did end up reinstating clonazepam the night I wrote this .. it eased the physical anxiety, but I was still feeling mildly restless. Two days later and it seems to be doing very little, so maybe the Memantine is causing akathisia (I'm not particularly anxious, but I am quite jittery and internally restless, and I also feel like I'm gently biting on my tongue a lot of the time).
> > >
> > > Do you have any idea if the akathisia is meant to be a temporary side-effect, neuroscience? Overall 5mg is proving quite a lot more tolerable than the higher doses, so I'd be curious to see if it does anything over time, but akathisia would be a deal-breaker.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I don't know if it's a temporary side-effect. If it was really bad though, the feeling would be unbearable, you'd call your doctor as soon as possible to do something about the symptom.
> >
> > With akathisia there are two parts: subjective and objective. Subjective is the inner tension, unbearable sometimes and even torturing. Objective is motor restlessness, moving your legs or moving your body constantly.
> >
> > g_g_g_unit, I was doing a search on google for memantine and akathisia and I stumbled upon an old post of yours from this website about memantine + SSRI akathisia. It seems you are no stranger to akathisia. So you know what torture is then. So do I. Wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me.
> >
>
> n_s,
> You wrote,
> [...I wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me...]
>
n_s,
There is a way revealed to me that you could return to the life you used to know. Gone will be the dark clouds and the cold winds. And there will be a new Day. And the Sun of righteousness will arise with healing in his wings. And you will tread down depression and addiction and they will be ashes under the soles of your feet.
Lou
Posted by g_g_g_unit on November 5, 2012, at 21:34:00
In reply to Re: could this be clonazepam withdrawal?, posted by neuroscience on November 5, 2012, at 7:56:16
Yeah, I was under the impression Memantine *relieved* akathisia, which is why I was considering it as a treatment for Prozac-induced akathisia a couple of years ago.
The akathisia seems to come and go -- it lasts about 1-3 hours after I dose, and is quite a bit better today, so maybe it will pass with time.
I've never suffered from tardive akathisia. I can only imagine it must be hellish. I'm really sorry for you.
>
> I don't know if it's a temporary side-effect. If it was really bad though, the feeling would be unbearable, you'd call your doctor as soon as possible to do something about the symptom.
>
> With akathisia there are two parts: subjective and objective. Subjective is the inner tension, unbearable sometimes and even torturing. Objective is motor restlessness, moving your legs or moving your body constantly.
>
> g_g_g_unit, I was doing a search on google for memantine and akathisia and I stumbled upon an old post of yours from this website about memantine + SSRI akathisia. It seems you are no stranger to akathisia. So you know what torture is then. So do I. Wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me.
>
Posted by neuroscience on November 6, 2012, at 7:52:50
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou PIlder on November 5, 2012, at 21:22:41
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah. It started two days ago when you stopped clonazepam completely, so maybe it's akathisia from clonazepam withdrawal. It would be interesting to hear what your doctor thinks, hopefully he/she is a good one.
> > > > >
> > > > > n_s,
> > You wrote,
> > [...I wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me...].
> > > >
> > > > Hmm, I did end up reinstating clonazepam the night I wrote this .. it eased the physical anxiety, but I was still feeling mildly restless. Two days later and it seems to be doing very little, so maybe the Memantine is causing akathisia (I'm not particularly anxious, but I am quite jittery and internally restless, and I also feel like I'm gently biting on my tongue a lot of the time).
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any idea if the akathisia is meant to be a temporary side-effect, neuroscience? Overall 5mg is proving quite a lot more tolerable than the higher doses, so I'd be curious to see if it does anything over time, but akathisia would be a deal-breaker.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't know if it's a temporary side-effect. If it was really bad though, the feeling would be unbearable, you'd call your doctor as soon as possible to do something about the symptom.
> > >
> > > With akathisia there are two parts: subjective and objective. Subjective is the inner tension, unbearable sometimes and even torturing. Objective is motor restlessness, moving your legs or moving your body constantly.
> > >
> > > g_g_g_unit, I was doing a search on google for memantine and akathisia and I stumbled upon an old post of yours from this website about memantine + SSRI akathisia. It seems you are no stranger to akathisia. So you know what torture is then. So do I. Wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me.
> > >
> >
> > n_s,
> > You wrote,
> > [...I wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me...]
> >
> n_s,
> There is a way revealed to me that you could return to the life you used to know. Gone will be the dark clouds and the cold winds. And there will be a new Day. And the Sun of righteousness will arise with healing in his wings. And you will tread down depression and addiction and they will be ashes under the soles of your feet.
> LouWell tell me what it is. The suspense is killing me.
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on November 10, 2012, at 5:23:30
In reply to Re: could this be clonazepam withdrawal? » neuroscience, posted by g_g_g_unit on November 5, 2012, at 21:34:00
Try diazapam or benztropine or propanolol, all three have been shown to be effective in akathisia
Posted by schleprock on November 11, 2012, at 19:32:57
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou PIlder on November 5, 2012, at 21:22:41
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah. It started two days ago when you stopped clonazepam completely, so maybe it's akathisia from clonazepam withdrawal. It would be interesting to hear what your doctor thinks, hopefully he/she is a good one.
> > > > >
> > > > > n_s,
> > You wrote,
> > [...I wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me...].
> > > >
> > > > Hmm, I did end up reinstating clonazepam the night I wrote this .. it eased the physical anxiety, but I was still feeling mildly restless. Two days later and it seems to be doing very little, so maybe the Memantine is causing akathisia (I'm not particularly anxious, but I am quite jittery and internally restless, and I also feel like I'm gently biting on my tongue a lot of the time).
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any idea if the akathisia is meant to be a temporary side-effect, neuroscience? Overall 5mg is proving quite a lot more tolerable than the higher doses, so I'd be curious to see if it does anything over time, but akathisia would be a deal-breaker.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't know if it's a temporary side-effect. If it was really bad though, the feeling would be unbearable, you'd call your doctor as soon as possible to do something about the symptom.
> > >
> > > With akathisia there are two parts: subjective and objective. Subjective is the inner tension, unbearable sometimes and even torturing. Objective is motor restlessness, moving your legs or moving your body constantly.
> > >
> > > g_g_g_unit, I was doing a search on google for memantine and akathisia and I stumbled upon an old post of yours from this website about memantine + SSRI akathisia. It seems you are no stranger to akathisia. So you know what torture is then. So do I. Wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me.
> > >
> >
> > n_s,
> > You wrote,
> > [...I wish I could go back in time and never take anything they gave me...]
> >
> n_s,
> There is a way revealed to me that you could return to the life you used to know. Gone will be the dark clouds and the cold winds. And there will be a new Day. And the Sun of righteousness will arise with healing in his wings. And you will tread down depression and addiction and they will be ashes under the soles of your feet.
> LouLou, could you explain the "Sun of righteousness" in a way that makes it just as much consistant with Judaism as it is with paganism?
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