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Posted by Tepi on October 12, 2012, at 22:58:28
Ive been a lot of time sufering from Social Phobia Anxiety and many more things... Ive tried almost all the meds out there , including Nardil but nothing seems to give me a normal life
I found a good Doc some moths ago and explained him that alocohol sometimes help me a little
I told him that I wanted to live with a certain amount of alcohol in my blood so I can have a better life quality
I have been doing that in fact... I drink 3 or 4 beers every nigth and it helps me on the next day with social problems...
Doc thinks that if alcohol can do that then there is got to be something that could make the same thing,,, Sometimes I doubt it...
I know alcohol its not the solution and I dont like it because it affects my health but I prefer to die soon but live a few years with a better life qualityanyway Im gonna trying again lyrica but this time high doses.. 1200 mg per day.. lets see what happen
Any thougths are well received
Posted by gilmourr on October 13, 2012, at 0:35:48
In reply to Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF, posted by Tepi on October 12, 2012, at 22:58:28
I've never been a big fan of Lyrica by itself because it just apparently increases GABA which will work initially but you will build a tolerance to it.
Nardil + lyrica is better because Nardil inhibits GABA-T so GABA isn't metabolized as quickly which means you accumulate more GABA and then when you add lyrica it adds more GABA so it works very synergistically.
Beer = GABA, Lyrica = GABA. It should make you feel very similar, but I don't think it will work long term.
I would analyze what went wrong with Nardil, maybe try a SSRI + stimulant + klonopin which is potent too.
Posted by phillipa on October 13, 2012, at 9:20:36
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF, posted by gilmourr on October 13, 2012, at 0:35:48
Hi Tepi I had a doc that substituted chloral hydrate for alchohol at night. It worked with an ad for a few years. Then doses needed to be increased. Eventually I weaned off it. Yes I did feel better when drinking beer. Why who knows but I did. Other than this how have you been? Phillipa
Posted by phidippus on October 13, 2012, at 16:34:09
In reply to Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF, posted by Tepi on October 12, 2012, at 22:58:28
You're a good candidate for Ketamine.
1200 mg of Lyrica? That's twice the prescribed dose for GAD in Europe.
Social Phobia and what else?
Eric
Posted by Tepi on October 14, 2012, at 14:21:16
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF » Tepi, posted by phidippus on October 13, 2012, at 16:34:09
> You're a good candidate for Ketamine.
>
> 1200 mg of Lyrica? That's twice the prescribed dose for GAD in Europe.
>
> Social Phobia and what else?
>
> Ericwhats Ketamine Eric? Is that a new drug?
Posted by Tepi on October 14, 2012, at 14:33:28
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF, posted by phillipa on October 13, 2012, at 9:20:36
> Hi Tepi I had a doc that substituted chloral hydrate for alchohol at night. It worked with an ad for a few years. Then doses needed to be increased. Eventually I weaned off it. Yes I did feel better when drinking beer. Why who knows but I did. Other than this how have you been? Phillipa
Hi phillipa... whats chloral hydrate? Is that a med ?
Ive been doing better but with the help of alcohol... its been a good year I suppose compared with previous year.. Good but still looking to improve my healt... I still have ver very bnd momentsGod Bless you
Posted by Tepi on October 14, 2012, at 14:35:24
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF, posted by gilmourr on October 13, 2012, at 0:35:48
> I've never been a big fan of Lyrica by itself because it just apparently increases GABA which will work initially but you will build a tolerance to it.
>
> Nardil + lyrica is better because Nardil inhibits GABA-T so GABA isn't metabolized as quickly which means you accumulate more GABA and then when you add lyrica it adds more GABA so it works very synergistically.
>
> Beer = GABA, Lyrica = GABA. It should make you feel very similar, but I don't think it will work long term.
>
> I would analyze what went wrong with Nardil, maybe try a SSRI + stimulant + klonopin which is potent too.
>
>thanks for the advice.... I dont know if Im ready to go back to the meds... Im off meds like 5 months ago.. only taking Xanax at nigth... Im not sure if im better with or without meds,,
Posted by phidippus on October 14, 2012, at 18:54:07
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF » gilmourr, posted by Tepi on October 14, 2012, at 14:35:24
>it just increases GABA
Lyrica does no such thing. It has no affinity for GABA. Lyrica binds to the α2δ (alpha2delta) subunit of the voltage-dependent calcium channel in the central nervous system. Lyrica also decreases the release of neurotransmitters including glutamate, noradrenaline, substance P and calcitonin gene-related peptide.
Eric
Posted by phidippus on October 14, 2012, at 18:58:12
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF » phidippus, posted by Tepi on October 14, 2012, at 14:21:16
Ketamine is a NMDA antagonist that can treat depression rather swiftly. It has some undesirable side effects though that are very transient: hallucinations and dissociation.
Its not a new drug. Its been around for a long time.
Look for clinical studies.
Eric
Posted by phillipa on October 14, 2012, at 21:56:03
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF, posted by Tepi on October 14, 2012, at 14:33:28
Tepi chloral hydrate is a very very old med similar to alchohol so it can replace it very nicely. Love Phillipa
Posted by schleprock on October 15, 2012, at 20:14:04
In reply to Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF, posted by Tepi on October 12, 2012, at 22:58:28
I'd just stick with the beer.
Posted by Tepi on October 15, 2012, at 22:06:56
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF » Tepi, posted by schleprock on October 15, 2012, at 20:14:04
> I'd just stick with the beer.
isnt this dangerous?
Posted by Tepi on October 15, 2012, at 22:24:58
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF » Tepi, posted by phidippus on October 14, 2012, at 18:58:12
> Ketamine is a NMDA antagonist that can treat depression rather swiftly. It has some undesirable side effects though that are very transient: hallucinations and dissociation.
>
> Its not a new drug. Its been around for a long time.
>
> Look for clinical studies.
>
> EricNever heard of it before.... Ive reading a little and its interesting... One single dose effect last for a week? wow
Thanks for the advice
Posted by Tepi on October 15, 2012, at 22:27:30
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF » Tepi, posted by phidippus on October 14, 2012, at 18:58:12
> Ketamine is a NMDA antagonist that can treat depression rather swiftly. It has some undesirable side effects though that are very transient: hallucinations and dissociation.
>
> Its not a new drug. Its been around for a long time.
>
> Look for clinical studies.
>
> EricNever heard of it before.... Ive reading a little and its interesting... One single dose effect last for a week? wow
Thanks for the advice
Posted by schleprock on October 15, 2012, at 22:31:46
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF » schleprock, posted by Tepi on October 15, 2012, at 22:06:56
> > I'd just stick with the beer.
>
> isnt this dangerous?Lou hasn't mentioned anything about beer, so I'm assuming no.
Posted by phillipa on October 16, 2012, at 18:31:58
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF » Tepi, posted by schleprock on October 15, 2012, at 22:31:46
Tepi knowing you have a problem with alchohol for you yes I think it could be dangerous. Phillipa
Posted by Tepi on October 16, 2012, at 21:05:32
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF » Tepi, posted by schleprock on October 15, 2012, at 22:31:46
> > > I'd just stick with the beer.
> >
> > isnt this dangerous?
>
> Lou hasn't mentioned anything about beer, so I'm assuming no.
Who is Lou ???
Posted by Tepi on October 16, 2012, at 21:06:47
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF, posted by phillipa on October 16, 2012, at 18:31:58
> Tepi knowing you have a problem with alchohol for you yes I think it could be dangerous. Phillipa
Its not a problem yet... but maybe it may be a problem in some years rigth?
Posted by phillipa on October 17, 2012, at 18:23:25
In reply to Re: Doc wants to try high lyrica dose for Anxiety/SF, posted by Tepi on October 16, 2012, at 21:06:47
Tepi it sure could Phillipa
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