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Posted by phillipa on October 8, 2012, at 12:56:55
In reply to Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by Phil on October 8, 2012, at 12:43:53
Phil shouldn't you be able to apply to needy meds from drug companies as it's ridiculous of course you can't pay this. And people shouldn't be on ap's unless needed and I know you do. Can't you doc apply for you? for the meds? Phillipa
Posted by ChicagoKat on October 8, 2012, at 13:13:11
In reply to Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by Phil on October 8, 2012, at 12:43:53
> Lately when I come here I might get lucky getting one person to respond. If you do have something to add please do. I'm not here much anymore but I've been here since very close to the beginning but it doesn't mean that I don't need help. Even commiserating, you know?
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> I've said once that I'm on disability. There is no insurance I can afford period.
> So I told my doc that I had to get off of Seroquel 300mg a day, $550. And Vyvanse, around $330 (I love Vyvanse.) Vyvanse is basically no help on price and Seroquel gives you a $75 coupon.
> He switched me to Adderall XR generic and said if I want to go to IR Seroquel I could get it from Canada..sigh. I said did doc, I have this weird Pisa Syndrome from antipsychotics and I weigh 250 pounds and climbing. My normal weight used to be around 195.
> Without side effects I liked Seroquel but you get serious side effects and y'all know that. If a shrink sees good improvement on a med it's like they don't acknowledge that your *ss is twice the size than it used to be.
> Then I get a physical and it's the other way around.
> Sorry this is long, there is a question buried in there.
> One other thing that everybody here knows. They are passing out Seroquel like jelly beans..I think their sales are like 50 mil or bil.
> On the net I see people say my doc has me on Seroquel, a sleeping pill. oye Yes you'll sleep but you're taking an antipsychotic and you need to know that. One guy said, I'm taking Xanax, an antidepressant. I said you're taking a benzodiazepine and when you try to stop it you'll know.
>
> Sorry I'm very frustrated and my mood is dropping along with my Seroquel dose. I can't afford depression when it's so hard to keep the faith on disability. Am I concerned? No, I'm scared.
>Hi Phil,
I'm so sorry you are going through a rough time. I hope I can help a little bit, but if not, at least I tried.
First, I kinda agree with your doc's idea of putting you on Adderall...the XR I'm not so sure about, I'm sure it's way more expensive than IR Adderall, and tbh, it really doesn't last much longer than IR Adderall. And keep in mind that the ingredient in Vyvanse is also found in Adderall, so Adderall should be as helpful as Vyvanse. It just will last a few hours less. So maybe you could take two doses/day of IR Adderall, one in the morning, and one around noon; you wouldn't want to take a dose much later than noon b/c the half-life of IR Adderall is 10-13hrs. But, at any rate, after all this info, I think IR Adderall would be a good choice b/c it should be much cheaper (it has a generic version), and b/c it should be as effective as Vyvanse.
Secondly, about your Seroquel. I agree that it seems as if docs are rxing it like jelly beans. I blame the drug companies for over-marketing the atypiicals and basically lying when they say they are so much safer than typical APs. Personally, I find this amazingly horrible. I believe the "atypicals" are used far too casually. They may be better than traditional APs as far as side effects go, but they are not THAT much better; they still do have some potentially very bad and dangerous side effectz. I think using them for sleep is a travesty, expecially when there are so many other agents out there. Anyways, what do you take the Seroqueel for? I rescanned your post and I don't think you mentioned. If I did miss it, I apologize. But I need to know what you take it for before I can perhaps offer better options.
Hope to hear from you soon, and hang in there,
Kat
Posted by B2chica on October 8, 2012, at 13:35:32
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond) » Phil, posted by ChicagoKat on October 8, 2012, at 13:13:11
def try the adderall generic. i take mine three times a day. though it was just lowered in dose for the two afternoon doses.
i have noticed a difference between two generics so if one is not working as desired give a different mfg a try.
Posted by gadchik on October 8, 2012, at 16:28:12
In reply to Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by Phil on October 8, 2012, at 12:43:53
Hi Phil! You're so right about the pdoc not being concerned with weight gain,and then you go to your pcp and have to deal with the reality of what its done to your body. Thats why I dropped remeron and zoloft. I was offered seroquel by my pdoc for sleep,and Im glad I didnt take it. But isnt it generic now? Yes,I will know it when I taper klonopin-keep putting it off.
Posted by jane d on October 8, 2012, at 16:52:14
In reply to Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by Phil on October 8, 2012, at 12:43:53
Hi Phil,
This is just a commiseration post. I'm not good at posting under the best of circumstances and I have absolutely no information to contribute to your current question. But I want you to know that I do notice when you post. And I do care about what you're going through.
Jane
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2012, at 17:07:25
In reply to Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by Phil on October 8, 2012, at 12:43:53
> Lately when I come here I might get lucky getting one person to respond. If you do have something to add please do. I'm not here much anymore but I've been here since very close to the beginning but it doesn't mean that I don't need help. Even commiserating, you know?
> _________________________________-
>
> I've said once that I'm on disability. There is no insurance I can afford period.
> So I told my doc that I had to get off of Seroquel 300mg a day, $550. And Vyvanse, around $330 (I love Vyvanse.) Vyvanse is basically no help on price and Seroquel gives you a $75 coupon.
> He switched me to Adderall XR generic and said if I want to go to IR Seroquel I could get it from Canada..sigh. I said did doc, I have this weird Pisa Syndrome from antipsychotics and I weigh 250 pounds and climbing. My normal weight used to be around 195.
> Without side effects I liked Seroquel but you get serious side effects and y'all know that. If a shrink sees good improvement on a med it's like they don't acknowledge that your *ss is twice the size than it used to be.
> Then I get a physical and it's the other way around.
> Sorry this is long, there is a question buried in there.
> One other thing that everybody here knows. They are passing out Seroquel like jelly beans..I think their sales are like 50 mil or bil.
> On the net I see people say my doc has me on Seroquel, a sleeping pill. oye Yes you'll sleep but you're taking an antipsychotic and you need to know that. One guy said, I'm taking Xanax, an antidepressant. I said you're taking a benzodiazepine and when you try to stop it you'll know.
>
> Sorry I'm very frustrated and my mood is dropping along with my Seroquel dose. I can't afford depression when it's so hard to keep the faith on disability. Am I concerned? No, I'm scared.
>Phil,
You wrote,[...please respond...I'm scared...].
Phil,
You can ask all the posters on the psych-med boards for their advise. You can go to the doc and ask for more drugs that could end your life. But just remember whose life those drugs are gonna be, so Phillip, save the last post for me.
Lou
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 8, 2012, at 19:26:45
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond) » Phil, posted by jane d on October 8, 2012, at 16:52:14
Phil - i sent you a babblemail that might be of some help
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2012, at 20:50:28
In reply to Lou's response-lazpoez » Phil, posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2012, at 17:07:25
> > Lately when I come here I might get lucky getting one person to respond. If you do have something to add please do. I'm not here much anymore but I've been here since very close to the beginning but it doesn't mean that I don't need help. Even commiserating, you know?
> > _________________________________-
> >
> > I've said once that I'm on disability. There is no insurance I can afford period.
> > So I told my doc that I had to get off of Seroquel 300mg a day, $550. And Vyvanse, around $330 (I love Vyvanse.) Vyvanse is basically no help on price and Seroquel gives you a $75 coupon.
> > He switched me to Adderall XR generic and said if I want to go to IR Seroquel I could get it from Canada..sigh. I said did doc, I have this weird Pisa Syndrome from antipsychotics and I weigh 250 pounds and climbing. My normal weight used to be around 195.
> > Without side effects I liked Seroquel but you get serious side effects and y'all know that. If a shrink sees good improvement on a med it's like they don't acknowledge that your *ss is twice the size than it used to be.
> > Then I get a physical and it's the other way around.
> > Sorry this is long, there is a question buried in there.
> > One other thing that everybody here knows. They are passing out Seroquel like jelly beans..I think their sales are like 50 mil or bil.
> > On the net I see people say my doc has me on Seroquel, a sleeping pill. oye Yes you'll sleep but you're taking an antipsychotic and you need to know that. One guy said, I'm taking Xanax, an antidepressant. I said you're taking a benzodiazepine and when you try to stop it you'll know.
> >
> > Sorry I'm very frustrated and my mood is dropping along with my Seroquel dose. I can't afford depression when it's so hard to keep the faith on disability. Am I concerned? No, I'm scared.
> >
>
> Phil,
> You wrote,[...please respond...I'm scared...].
> Phil,
> You can ask all the posters on the psych-med boards for their advise. You can go to the doc and ask for more drugs that could end your life. But just remember whose life those drugs are gonna be, so Phillip, save the last post for me.
> LouPhil,
You wrote[...If you have something to add please do....I had to get off the Seroquel...]
There are two ways that I know of to overcome depression/addiction. One by {human acheivement}, the other by {divine accomplishment}. I do not know of anyone that has been healed of depression/ addiction by human acheivement by taking psychotropic drugs. Now I am talking about healing from years of druggin'. As I see in your case, members here could just keep on telling you to take more drugs. Others could tell you to use Mr. Beck's therapy or such. But I say to you, that today you could go on a new road, and sing a new song. A song of life. This song comes from one having a new heart a new spirit, a new life. A life free from pain, free from crying, free from slavery, free from death. A life of peace and joy.
If you want to go on a new road, a road that leads to freedom and life and life more abundantly, now is a time to make that decision. Do you want more drugs that could lead to death? In the new road there is healing. This healing is of the spirit. And when the spirit of man is healed, then the mind can be healed. And truth could be revealed and when you know the truth, you are made free from the lies of the world that shackle people in slavery and depression and addiction. And when the chains of depression/addiction are unlocked, you could go out in joy and sing, "Free at last free at last. Thank God almighty I am free at last."
Lou
Posted by phillipa on October 8, 2012, at 21:19:20
In reply to Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by Phil on October 8, 2012, at 12:43:53
Phil I don't blame you for being scared. Is this the time of year you relapse? Phillipa
Posted by SLS on October 9, 2012, at 7:31:19
In reply to Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by Phil on October 8, 2012, at 12:43:53
Hi Phil.
I have nothing of substance to say. I just thought you should know that you are not invisible.
- Scott
Posted by Phil on October 9, 2012, at 12:02:01
In reply to Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by Phil on October 8, 2012, at 12:43:53
Well you know how bipolar is. I'm a walking contradiction. After asking for everyone's help, last night I thought, I am sick to death of talking. I told my best friend that I would be out of touch for a while. I've dumped on him enough. I will deal with this and I'll get through it. Hopefully they will be seeing me at NAMI meetings soon.If I ever feel I'm in danger the psych ward is 5 minutes from me and I enjoyed my first stay so...
I think everyone knows there are times you need to reach out and there are times you just want to be left alone to think things through. I'm not suicidal or having any thoughts of it. I just want to let it go for a while. Thanks for your responses. Babble has always had the best people and all you have to do is go to other forums to see that. Thanks again. I'll be back when my hermit mode passes. Oh, I still have some of the 300 mg Seroquel and if I get worse I'll call my doc for his blessing to go back up till we think of something else
Phil
Posted by gadchik on October 9, 2012, at 12:14:33
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by Phil on October 9, 2012, at 12:02:01
Posted by ChicagoKat on October 9, 2012, at 12:19:03
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond) » Phil, posted by SLS on October 9, 2012, at 7:31:19
> Hi Phil.
>
> I have nothing of substance to say. I just thought you should know that you are not invisible.
>
>
> - Scottawwww Scott....at the rsk of embarrassing you, that was the nicest thing to do. I told you that you are too modest; you are not only incredibly intelligent, you are incredibly kind as well.
Hope your face is not too red now ;)And Phil! Please respond to our posts so we can know how you are, and I still want to know what your diagnosis is.
My best to both you, Phil, and to you, Scott,
Kat
Posted by Dinah on October 12, 2012, at 8:12:50
In reply to Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by Phil on October 8, 2012, at 12:43:53
Doesn't disability come with some sort of medical coverage? It seems rather counterintuitive. Or is that the medication gap in insurance? I've never understood the priorities of coverage. Surely it's cheaper to make sure someone is adequately treated than to pay for the consequences of the lack of treatment?
I agree that there is a lack of information out there about the drugs that doctors hand out. I was taking whatever they gave me for diabetes until I looked into the matter. Consumers must trust but verify, and do their own research about what goes into their bodies.
I've always responded rather well to AP's, so I can't really negatively comment on them. Other than that I try to minimize my use of them because of the blood sugar issue. I compare my life to before and after, and after definitely wins.
No matter how inactive Babble gets, you could never be invisible. It's the Babble participants who have known you for so long that have issues with visibility, myself included. I apologize for that. It doesn't mean the Babblers who have known and cared about you so long have quit caring about you just because they aren't here, or aren't here on a regular basis. Certainly it doesn't in my case.
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 22:34:48
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond) » Phil, posted by phillipa on October 8, 2012, at 12:56:55
I did go thru Needy Meds. They linked to mfg and get this, here's their deal. I pay the first $25, they pay $75 and I pay the rest. I thought, what kind of deal is that? I guess they can't afford to do more seeing how they've only sold a trillion of those pills.
Vyvance gives you a coupon. What's it worth? They don't say.
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 22:47:19
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond) » Phil, posted by ChicagoKat on October 8, 2012, at 13:13:11
Howdy. I took Adderall years ago and liked it OK. It's generic now and I don't remember the price. For me, Vyvance blows Adderall away. It does last 12-14 hours and it is really even. For me one of my favorite drugs but they are proud of it. I think the Add. was pretty cheap and it's close enough.
A shrink before my current one put in my chart that I had drug seeking behavior. When my current doc told me that I almost fell out of my chair. I told him that when I was young I did meth but no one hates that drug worse than I do now. It was 32 years ago. I also told him his drugs were like popping an aspirin to me. Yes they work but I have no plans of getting strung out. Besides I thought 1200 mg a day was a reasonable request. :)
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 22:52:13
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond) » ChicagoKat, posted by B2chica on October 8, 2012, at 13:35:32
Thanks. When I took Ritalin I liked Barr's version. I got a script one time for it and it was thin and crumbly. I couldn't make out what it said on the pill but I think it was Cartel with viva la Mexico on the other side. They bricked it to get thru customs.
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 22:55:51
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by gadchik on October 8, 2012, at 16:28:12
Yeah it is. My post below is a report I received about the cause of weight gain. I went to ask a patient and was surprised to find so many people didn't gain weight. I guess the report kind of clears it up. I dunno. (waddles to refrigerator)
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 23:04:44
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond) » Phil, posted by jane d on October 8, 2012, at 16:52:14
Thanks Jane. I wrote in my blog a few days ago that yeah I need meds, should eat better but what people with MI need is someone to listen. I sent it to my brother who kind of didn't want to listen that much. He called me this morning and we talked for 2 hours, just shooting the breeze no mention of the blog. I have never ever talked that long on the phone to him. It was like the best drug in the world. I also felt like he really cared and even though I knew he loved me, I put in the blog that love is a verb not just a feeling. Really I was incredibly proud of him!
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 23:07:04
In reply to Lou's response-lazpoez » Phil, posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2012, at 17:07:25
I liked that Lou but now you have that song going through my head!!
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 23:11:19
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond), posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 8, 2012, at 19:26:45
Thanks, now I need to remember how to check babblemail. Wish DrB would have used vBulletin for this board. I keep looking for the 'like' button.
But this is babble, I wouldn't recognize a 21st century version now.
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 23:30:04
In reply to Lou's response-ahtlst, posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2012, at 20:50:28
No one wants to take meds. I've been on them for 30 years with very few very short breaks. I sunk like a rock. I believe people most of the time when they say that God saved their life. And I went through a religious period in my thirties including baptism and reading the Bible. I understood what was being said and I have respect for those following that path. But honestly, I've come full circle and just don't buy it anymore. Jesus was a good man. Son of God, virgin birth, Adam and Eve, heaven and hell. Fairy tales.
I want to be honest, I'm not flexible on this and I don't want to talk religion and I don't want to be told how I should address my mental illness.
I do respect your view but I just don't want to have to explain myself so I won't reply to another post concerning this. I like you and your sincere offer to help but I won't get into this discussion. I hope you can respect that.
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 23:34:17
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond) » Phil, posted by phillipa on October 8, 2012, at 21:19:20
I think it was reducing my dose. The wackiest period I had was spring which also leads the seasons in suicides if memory serves.
It's odd in a way, you feel better than you've ever felt in your life and they give you meds to stop it before it gets any more fun. Psychiatry is bizarre.
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 23:49:26
In reply to Re: Psychiatrists can't see the(please respond) » Phil, posted by SLS on October 9, 2012, at 7:31:19
Tell the ladies that. :) I know Scott, I just was reaching out the only way I could at the time. I was having real bad anger problems and couldn't see that. I feel so much better and calmer after bumping the dose back to 300. I hope you're doing OK.
Posted by Phil on October 12, 2012, at 23:59:29
In reply to Phil, this vid's for you., posted by gadchik on October 9, 2012, at 12:14:33
Wow. Bookmarked. Awesome. I have an old schoolmate and we have hooked up again via facebook. I had not talked to her in 40 years and she has a lot of things going on including a really nasty depression. I picked up the phone and called her today. She is working with two doctors to get off meds and trying minerals, supplements etc. I hope it works for her because she's one of the sweetest people I know. I'll send this to her and she will crater. I think we all need that sometimes. Thank you!
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