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Posted by Vincent_QC on March 2, 2012, at 11:13:01
Well, it's seem that my anxiety is extremely high since more than 1 and a half year and don't know what to do or what to think about all what happen with me? I feel hopeless and its seem to get worse and worse for no reason and cant barely survive for now.
The last PDoc I had said i'm having social phobia (axis 2 + cluster C type of personality), general anxiety, panic disorder as well as somatization disorder (because of the many symptoms I have who mimic disease that I don't have apparently).
I want some advice and assistance on what to do and to learn a little bit about what can exactly be my psychological problems. Will give the list of the main symptoms I have to help you even if I know I wrote them in another thread 2-3 months ago.
The main problem is cardiovascular symptoms, I had almost all tests to ruled out real cardiovascular problem with my Cardiologist, im in the middle of an events monitor test to see (2 weeks) if I dont have an electrical problem with my heart. The other major complain is that I'm suffering of racing thoughts or obsessives thoughts (false beliefs) switching from past events thoughts to present thoughts (especially about how I will be able to be « normal » again, if I have a real disease and not just anxiety), those thoughts are disturbing and they never stop in my head. I always fear to have a heart attack because my heart is pounding all the time and have an irregular heart beat. Next fall, after almost 8 months of complaining of intestinal pain and constipation to my Gastric by-pass Doc, I finally had 1 intestinal obstruction and had also a bile duct obstruction at the same time, I had 2 surgeries and had enteral feeding with a jejunostomy tube entering directly into my small intestine for 3 months because I was in malnutrition state. I still have pain, cramps and bloating symptoms all the time and cant eat a lot of real foods. Each time I eat something I have thoughts about the pain it will give to me, I think about the constipation problem and I fear to have another intestinal obstruction. Its always in my mind and cant gain weight or take the vitamins I need each day (Iron 300 mg + Calcium 500 mg) cause its worse the constipation and no laxative help me for the constipation so always worried about that. Still have the jejunostomy tube in case I fall in malnutrition state and very tired of it. Also will need another surgery because the wound dont want to heal and always have flow of stinks (its not infected just some strange liquid who come out of the wound all the time). Will sww my Gastro Doc about the constipation problem and the other gastro symptoms in april, maybe im having IBS-C?
Of course I feel always tired, even if I go in the bed early it take forever to fall asleep everytime I go in my bed in the evening I the racing thoughts become worse and can take more than 3 hours to fall asleep even with small dose of Remeron (3,5mg) to help me to fall asleep and all the benzo meds I take (Valium + Xanax + Clonazepam). I wake up often in the middle of the night all sweat especially the face (front + temples) and my back and legs, like im having fever. Always have the goosebumps. When I wake up in the middle of the night I cant get up to go to the bathroom cause my heart rate is too fast and its trigerring panic attacks so I stay in my bed and finally have a panic attack each time, so I need to take extra benzo meds to be able to fall asleep again, normally keep the Valium and Xanax for night and Xanax for the morning only. When I wake up in the morning I feel so bad, its like I dont sleep at all, even if I spend 9 or 10 hours in my bed. I feel like all my body sensations were magnified by 1000, so as soon as im awake in the morning I need to take my Inderal to slow down my heart and the Xanax 0.125 mg + my regular Clonazepam dose who is 0.75 mg every 2 hours. Also need to wait 1 hour at least to smoke my first cigarette in the morning cause of the fast heart rate and panic.
I take between 6 to 8 mg of Clonazepam each day divided in small doses every 2 hours and if I skip a dose I have withdrawl effects who start immediatly, its seem that im very addicted to benzos meds and they dont work on me now but I cant stop them, any slow reduction in the dose lead to worse anxiety. I was used to stop them with no problem in the past and if I try to take it less often with higher dose with more space between each dose like 2 mg at the same time of Clonazepam every 4 hours I feel very bad and 2 hours after the 2 mg dose I need to take it again I know that its not logical because the Clonazepam have a long half-life but its seem that my brains are used to that bad habit since I take the Clonazepam 0.75 mg every 2 hours since more than 1 year and sometimes add Xanax at daytime if I have to get out of the house but when I stay at home I keep the Xanax for the night panic or morning. In the morning I have generally more energy so I can take my shower and get dress but at 12 PM I start feeling very tired again and need to return in my bed and every afternoon I can spend 2-3 hours in my bed trying to nap but most of the time I cant fall asleep because of the racing thoughts those thoughts are sometimes music that I hear in my head wierd no?
I have migraine every day, neck pain, jaw pain and teeth pain, my eyes burn all the time, my hands and feet are cold and clammy, they turn red most of the time and sometimes blueish color, numbness of the left arm all the time, chest pain all the time who is worse if I eat but its not related to my stomach since im taking Prevacid to prevent GERD, dizziness all the time, nausea when I eat or when im very anxious in a car. Also cant eat sugar or chocolate or drink a coffee cause it put me in a panic state for almost 24 hours in a rowwas used to drink 10 cups of coffee back in 2009 and was addicted to sugar I stop drinking coffee in the middle of 2009 and my energy level is at 0 since then and my anxiety is 1000000 times worsenever understand that since it was my PDoc who told me to stop the coffee telling me it will be good for my anxiety!!! I try to drink a coffee again but its making more agitated and increase the speed of my heart.
It's seem that I can't do anything now and have no safety zone... can't stay alone at home, can't drive a car or be a passenger, if I have to go to an appointment I will go with my mom but we can't go on the highway so we always use the small roads and need to stop often because I have a too fast heart rate and nausea.
The constipation problem is getting worse and each time I need to have a bowel movement I start being very anxious and my heart start racing, same for the shower and many others situations that are linked to some unknow fears. If I go out of the house I feel the numbness effect all over my body, my headache become very intense and have chest pain, it's like everything all around me assaulting me and feel not safe and cannot feel relax even if I know that it's not true, my body can't just relax and enjoy the time I spend out of the house. Its seem that I dont have full blow panic attacks but that I live in a panic attack who last foreverfull blow panic attack will occur less often and are trigger by a lot of fears like being in a car, wake up in the middle of the night with racing heart (fear of a heart attack), taking my shower, having a bowel movement or having a bowel movement in the middle of the night (impossible for now) or not having a bowel movement since more than 2 days. What I live all the time now is worse than a panic attack or the fear to have another panic attack cause I know that a panic attack will not kill me since I have them on and off since i'm 19 yo and now 36 yo.
Also can't focus on a task because its hurting my eyes and trigger very bad migraine (no vision problem and had my eyes checked this year), everything that I will do who ask for a mental effort will lead to worse symptoms with extreme fatigue, I can't focus and enjoy a movie or just watching TV because of the racing thoughts and the low energy. I cant also listen to music because im sensitive to noise, same for the TV, everything seem to be agressive to my ears now and have tinnitus all the time in both ears.
Those are my main symptoms. Sorry if it's a long list and sorry for the bad english, with the low concentration and cognitive level I have right now, I can't write better than this.Another point, it's that im meds sensitive, 5-10 mg of Inderal for the fast heart beat is the maximum I can use cause my blood pressure is normal and often on the low side. I can't start again an AD since even 0.5mg of Paxil will trigger panic ( I know that some peoples here will told me its not normal or that 0.5mg of Paxil do nothing BUT on me its doing a lot of things and increase my anxiety and have a very fast pulse rate when I try to take it at a low 0.5 mg and the cardiovascular symptoms are real and don't fade away with time. I was used to take higher dose of all the SSRI's (only never try the Luvox) and older meds like Parnate and Nardil with almost no problem (only hypertensives crisis from the Parnate who almost kill me and severe orthostatic hypotension on the Nardil), now every med I try to take increase my anxiety Even taking a regular Advil lead to severe anxiety and cardiovascular symptoms (was used to take 8 Advil each day for my migraine in the past). I always think about the side-effects and how bad I will feel after taking them.
Each day I feel like it's the last day. Of course I have lost a lot of things since im almost homebound, I have no friend to talk, nothing to do at daytime cause im so tired and anxious that I have no energy to do anything, I stop driving 1 ½ years ago so cant go out bymyself and always need someone to drive me to my appointments. Feel like im dependent of all my family and they are tired of me and my problems. I can't have access to Psychologist cause i'm disable from work and have no money to pay for it and for now I don't have a PDoc, the last one wasnt fair with me and treat my intestinal symptoms like they are just in my imagination but I almost die from intestinal obstruction (had 5,5 liters of liquid in the bile duct and the by-pass Doc told me that if I did not attend the emergency, 24 hours later it would have exploded in my abdomen and cause death). For now I try to find a Private PDoc but its hard where I live cause we have a public health system, so I just have a regular Family Doc who RX Benzo meds and that's it.
Any idea of what happen with me and what to do? Feel very hopeless and think that depression hit me nowThanks everyone
Posted by Phillipa on March 2, 2012, at 12:00:11
In reply to Need some help please (long thread sorry)., posted by Vincent_QC on March 2, 2012, at 11:13:01
I so hope you get lots of good advise. Phillipa
Posted by Vincent_QC on March 2, 2012, at 12:03:47
In reply to Need some help please (long thread sorry)., posted by Vincent_QC on March 2, 2012, at 11:13:01
I forget to talk about the depersonalization/derealization feeling who is there almost all the time... it's like everything around me is not real and that I will going crazy and can'T do anything or control myself BUT that occur all the time and not only when I have a panic attack, in fact when I have a panic attack the depersonalization feeling is not one of the symptom...I feel very detached from this world... weird to explain and to live also and I really hate it!
Posted by Vincent_QC on March 2, 2012, at 12:07:08
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry). » Vincent_QC, posted by Phillipa on March 2, 2012, at 12:00:11
> I so hope you get lots of good advise. Phillipa
Me too Phillipa ;-) I hope because I feel hopeless right now... I call for a Private PDoc this morning and it's around 400$ for the first appointment and 150$ the others...can't afford it for now even if I stop smoking cigarettes...my income is 500$ and have to pay for my phone, foods and many other things so don't have enought money...I guess I will end with a Private Psychologist at the university, they charge 50$ by appointment so around 200$ each month...
Posted by SLS on March 2, 2012, at 12:45:33
In reply to Need some help please (long thread sorry)., posted by Vincent_QC on March 2, 2012, at 11:13:01
What is your history of psychotherapy?
CBT?
Which antipsychotics have you tried?
Which anticonvulsants have you tried?
Have you tried Cymbalta?
- Scott
Posted by Vincent_Qc on March 2, 2012, at 16:23:53
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry). » Vincent_QC, posted by SLS on March 2, 2012, at 12:45:33
> What is your history of psychotherapy?
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> CBT?
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> Which antipsychotics have you tried?
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> Which anticonvulsants have you tried?
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> Have you tried Cymbalta?
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> - ScottHi Scott, I do a lot of therapy...first I done back in 1994 until 1996 was a behavior therapy and was by far the more effective therapy I had in my life. I done group therapy with CBT approach who fail to produce improvement. No improve for CBT therapy with exposure time... just between may 2010 and may 2011 I had 3 CBT therapy with exposition time to events who trigger anxiety and try to learn to cope with the symptoms and things like that and I didnt improve. The last Psychologist I had told my PDoc that I had somatoform disorder and that I was a hard case to treat with only CBT therapy...
I try almost all the newer AP and 2 typical AP...haloperidol who was not effective at all and give extra pyramidal effects...try also zyprexa at normal dose without any improve, risperdal who give to me panic attacks when I was free of them for almost 10 years...try also geodon who was an awful experience, try seroquel at first for insomnia and start at 25mg and ending 6 months later at 150 mg and at the same time the panic disorder return for good in my life so I dont know if the seroquel is to blame...I try also the Abilify and had a very bad reaction to it at a low 2 mg dose, its seem that everything who increase or decrease the dopamine increase my anxiety...I remember when I try the Mirapex drug, I had the worse panic attack of my life, even after 2 weeks on it I had panic attacks all the time.
Same thing for meds who play with the NE like the effexor-xr, Pristiq or Cymbalta or the older TCA's like the Imipramine, Clomipramine, Nortryptiline <that one increase a lot my heart rate> or desipramine who also affect a lot my heart rate being extremely irregular on it...
Strangely, back in 2007-2008 before the panic disorder return in my life I was on 60 mg day of Remeron + 20 mg of Prozac + 50 mg of Elavil for the headache and never had fast heart beat or heart problems...
I try the Gabapentin at high dose for my social phobia, 3600mg for 3 months with no improve on my anxiety. I try the Lyrica but wasnt able to take more than 150mg cause of the extreme dizziness and facial flushing. I was on Topomax at 100mg for 6 months for the prevention of migraine but it never really work. Try also Lamictal but was too much activating for me...Never try the other anticonvulsants like Epival...
For the other meds, all the SSRI's are very effective against panic disorder but the Paxil is by far superior for me and need only a low dose to work around 15_20 mg...the prozac is by far the more stimulating and above 30 mg lead to more panic, the celexa and lexapro are the worse for anxiety they dont work as well and need higher dose and the zoloft work but is the harder for me to start increasing the number of panic at first and at 200mg stoping it cause is was doing nothing for the social anxiety making it worse in fact. Only the Paxil seem to work on the panic and social phobia.
The Maoi's dont help me at all, the nardil is only good to help me to reduce my benzo intake but have too much orthostatic hypotension at dose above 60mg even with florinef help to stabilize the blood pressure...and the Parnate almost kill me 3 times with hypertensive crisis even if I was following the diet and even if I had nifepidine pills to reduce the blood pressure in case of hypertensive crisis...
Also try others meds for the energy level, wellbutrin and Ritalin and Concerta at low dose with SSRI because the SSRI's tend to make me feel very tired...
Well thats my complete meds use history so far...it will be too easy for me to be able to take the paxil again but I cant, my body react strongly to it...
Posted by sigismund on March 2, 2012, at 18:42:39
In reply to Need some help please (long thread sorry)., posted by Vincent_QC on March 2, 2012, at 11:13:01
Vincent, I am sorry you are so sick and in this awful situation. There is certainly too much for me to be able to be helpful with.
Before you had the gastric banding you had serious problems, IIRC.
I just wanted to say that anxiety and depersonalisation (for me) are made worse *eventually* with high doses of benzos.
Even as they help, they make the overall situation worse, especially with higher doses..Of course you have a real disease in as much as you are quite sick. Whether giving you a psychiatric diagnosis will help is more doubtful.
An integrative doctor (to look at all of your problems together) could be helpful, but then that costs.I wish I could be more helpful.
Posted by polarbear206 on March 2, 2012, at 19:41:35
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry). » Vincent_QC, posted by sigismund on March 2, 2012, at 18:42:39
What about Lithium and Depakote?
Posted by Vincent_QC on March 3, 2012, at 7:32:18
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry). » Vincent_QC, posted by sigismund on March 2, 2012, at 18:42:39
> Vincent, I am sorry you are so sick and in this awful situation. There is certainly too much for me to be able to be helpful with.
>That's ok, I appreciate the fact that you answer ;-)
> Before you had the gastric banding you had serious problems, IIRC.
Not really, before the gastric by-pass I was A LOT BETTER psychologicly and also physically. Ok, I had morbid obesity and my weight was at 201 kg / 445 pounds, BUT I was strong and never was tired even when I was on the Paxil, had 2 jobs, going to school at the same time and have friends and get out almost every night. Now my weight is only 170 who is too low for me, have no muscle mass, no strenght or endurance, can't do exercise, always tired, have anemia, fat solube vitamins are low because the kind of gastric by-pass I had is not the same they do in the USA, mine is more drastic, they remove 2/3 of the stomach and by-pass 3/4 of the intestine leaving only 1.5 meters of functionnal intestine to absorb foods and vitamins so that's why I need to take daily 900 mg of Iron, 30 000 Units of Vit A, 50 000 units of Vit D, 500 mg of Calcium and 1 strong Centrum. Had also a lot of health problems after the gastric by-pass, had 1 surgery to repair a hernia in the abdomen, start having bleeding internal hemorrhoids who lead to severe anemia with low hemoglobin level and 2 years of weekly IV iron treatment + blood transfusions and a surgery to remove all the hemorrhoids (very painful...Since that surgery I stat having severe constipation who seem to be linked to the anal sphyncter muscle and the list goes on...
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> I just wanted to say that anxiety and depersonalisation (for me) are made worse *eventually* with high doses of benzos.
> Even as they help, they make the overall situation worse, especially with higher doses..
>On me, the Clonazepam in high dose is the worse benzo meds in the world, but I can't stop it for now, even tapering with Valium substitution is not a solution since 10 mg of Valium do nothing on me now... and will need something like 160 mg of Valium to = the 8 mg of Clonazepam and it's impossible to have such a high dose, my Doc allow a maximum of 40 mg of Valium now, in the past he was more open minded and RX to me 80 mg + 4 mg of Clonazepam to do a slow tapering from the Clonazepam but now he don't want do to it. What I know is the fact that when i'm not into a panic disorder phase, prior to 2009, the Valium at 20 mg day was enough for me to be able to have a normal life, drive my car, going to school, have friends, get out... The Xanax is the worse for the addiction... I don't know if they lead to worse depersonalisation on me, but I know they don't work now for me, I take them because of the severe rebound anxiety I get if I miss a dose and take the Valium to be able to sleep a little bit and the Xanax in the morning cause I feel very bad for 2 hours after I get up so I need something who work fast to kill the panic or prevent it, but the Xanax is not even effective now, I reduce it slowly, was at 1.5 mg day so 0.5 mg x 3 /day last summer and now only take 0.125 mg in the morning and 0.125 mg if I have to get out of the house. It's seem that my addiction and tolerance level is very high for that kind of meds... I admit that I have an addiction personnality, I mean that as a teenager I was addicted to street drugs, I stop all of them when the panic attacks start at 19yo...and I had an alcohol addiction who last 2 years from 2004-2005 and I stop cold turkey to drink alcohol... very addict to cigarette, hard to stop for me... when I had my 2 surgeries back in October 2011, I stay 1 month at the hospital without smoking and it was hard, very hard in fact...the first thing I do when I get out of the hospital was to smoke a cigarette...
> Of course you have a real disease in as much as you are quite sick. Whether giving you a psychiatric diagnosis will help is more doubtful.
I understand what you mean, but it will maybe help me to find the good meds... for now i'm not even sure if it's really severe anxiety disorder with GAD and panic and social phobia or only somatization disorder or maybe bi-polar??? Had mania state while I was on the Effexor-xr 400 mg day so I don't know if it's possible that I have that disorder as well... or OCD kind of anxiety since I take often my blood pressure and my pulse rate, it's like an obsession for me.
> An integrative doctor (to look at all of your problems together) could be helpful, but then that costs.
>My Family Doc have only patients with depression and anxiety disorders... but he really don't know what I really have... He think that it's severe anxiety with weird other symptoms that he cannot figure out. He told me I was on his top 5 list of harder patient to treat, who don't help me to feel better for sure...
> I wish I could be more helpful.
That's ok ;-) You are very helpful and a nice person to talk with!!! Thank you again ;-)
Vincent
Posted by SLS on March 3, 2012, at 7:35:09
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry)., posted by polarbear206 on March 2, 2012, at 19:41:35
> What about Lithium and Depakote?
I was thinking the same thing.
- Scott
Posted by Vincent_QC on March 3, 2012, at 7:39:25
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry)., posted by polarbear206 on March 2, 2012, at 19:41:35
> What about Lithium and Depakote?
I never try them. I know the Lithium will not be very helpful for the anxiety but I remember that I read somewhere that the Depakote was good for agitation/anxiety for bipolar 2 type. I think it's working on the Gaba system, increasing the level of Gaba in the brain no and also inhibiting NE level in the brain, who mean maybe less anxiety from the noradrenaline? If it's true, the Gabapentin and Lyrica do the same thing no, for what I know and read? I also try the Sabril med, only available in the Canada but think it's now out in the USA also, it's another med who work on the Gaba system and had no improve on it...had more panic on it...
Anyway, I will ask my Family Doc about the Depakote, maybe it will work better than the Gabapentin and will help to reduce the benzo meds dose? I need to know what my Family Doc think about that since I know it can be a dangerous med if not well dosed in the blood...
Thank you for your suggestions ;-)
Posted by SLS on March 3, 2012, at 7:52:12
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry). » polarbear206, posted by Vincent_QC on March 3, 2012, at 7:39:25
The dosage of Depakote is not that critical with respect to safety. It is important to check your liver enzymes BEFORE and AFTER beginning Depakote. Follow up with blood tests every month or so for 6 months. If everything is okay, you can reduce your frequency of blood tests to every 6 months. Platelet counts should be checked at higher dosages.
Many people do not do this, but I would.
- Scott
Posted by Vincent_Qc on March 3, 2012, at 8:12:00
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry). » Vincent_QC, posted by SLS on March 3, 2012, at 7:52:12
> The dosage of Depakote is not that critical with respect to safety. It is important to check your liver enzymes BEFORE and AFTER beginning Depakote. Follow up with blood tests every month or so for 6 months. If everything is okay, you can reduce your frequency of blood tests to every 6 months. Platelet counts should be checked at higher dosages.
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> Many people do not do this, but I would.
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> - ScottThanks Scott! Very helpful...do you know how the Depakote work for the anxiety? Also do you know if it can have an interraction with the clonazepam and if so what kind of interraction? For the dosage, I guess for anxiety it will be lower, something like 250 to 500mg no? Thanks again , Vincent
Posted by SLS on March 3, 2012, at 8:13:25
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry). » Vincent_QC, posted by SLS on March 3, 2012, at 7:52:12
> The dosage of Depakote is not that critical with respect to safety.
I apologize. Liver enzyme abnormalities are dose-related.
> It is important to check your liver enzymes BEFORE and AFTER beginning Depakote. Follow up with blood tests every month or so for 6 months. If everything is okay, you can reduce your frequency of blood tests to every 6 months. Platelet counts should be checked at higher dosages.
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> Many people do not do this, but I would.
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> - Scott
Posted by SLS on March 3, 2012, at 8:26:28
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry). » SLS, posted by Vincent_Qc on March 3, 2012, at 8:12:00
I had thought of Depakote after your first post. I'm glad that polarbear206 mentioned it.
There is some debate as to how Depakote increases GABA activity. It might be the result of sodium-channel inhibition. Depakote also inhibits GABA transaminase.
There is no dangerous interaction between Depakote and benzodiazepines (BZD) like Klonopin. I don't think Depakote makes a BZDs more potent or vice versa. The only exception that I am aware of is Valium. Depakote inhibits its metabolism and raises Valium blood levels.
- Scott
Posted by Vincent_QC on March 3, 2012, at 9:33:38
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry). » Vincent_Qc, posted by SLS on March 3, 2012, at 8:26:28
> I had thought of Depakote after your first post. I'm glad that polarbear206 mentioned it.
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> There is some debate as to how Depakote increases GABA activity. It might be the result of sodium-channel inhibition. Depakote also inhibits GABA transaminase.
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> There is no dangerous interaction between Depakote and benzodiazepines (BZD) like Klonopin. I don't think Depakote makes a BZDs more potent or vice versa. The only exception that I am aware of is Valium. Depakote inhibits its metabolism and raises Valium blood levels.
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> - ScottThanks again ;-)
And for the side-effects...how it is? I read horrible stories about absences seizures, migraine, weight gain and gastro-intestinal effects... is it a hard med to take or easy to start? Do you think it will be harder for me to start the Depakote than to start again the Paxil? Any kind of heart effect like palpitations or hypotension (alreaedy have orthostatic hypotension and fast pulse rate and irregular pulse rate)...?
I ask a lot of questions I know, but just want to make sure it will be a good med for me since I know that if I ask it to my Family Doc he will probably say yes...
Posted by Phillipa on March 3, 2012, at 18:21:22
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry). » SLS, posted by Vincent_QC on March 3, 2012, at 9:33:38
Vincent take the advise as very knowledgeable folks have answered your thread. Seriously Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on March 4, 2012, at 13:13:34
In reply to Need some help please (long thread sorry)., posted by Vincent_QC on March 2, 2012, at 11:13:01
Wow. Ya know, if I didn't know this was a psychiatric forum, I would have thought you were posting at a Lyme forum. You symptoms are so bad and seemingly bizarre. Whatever meds you have in your present or future just look to me like they are up against a real tough foe, so having difficulties and failures with meds would not surprise me.
I don't know anything about you or your history, just going on your post. I'm not suggesting you have lyme, just saying that what might look like a hopeless bizarre picture actually isn't. There is a reason for all the crap, and a reason the meds are struggling.
There is actually a recognizable pattern to your seemingly bizarre presentation of symptoms.
What messes up brain/hormone chemistry really bad? Well, toxins interrupt and corrupt just about everything they touch along their journey, and many of them are fat soluble which means they aren't leaving any time soon without purposeful effort. In the case of lyme, we're talking some fairly potent neurotoxins that are byproducts of the pathogen's normal lifestyles.
Anyway just thought it was worth mentioning because in cases like yours I think if we want a positive prognosis we have to address every area that could be suspect, not just try to bandaid the resulting symptoms.
Posted by Vincent_Qc on March 4, 2012, at 14:48:47
In reply to Re: Need some help please (long thread sorry)., posted by bleauberry on March 4, 2012, at 13:13:34
> Wow. Ya know, if I didn't know this was a psychiatric forum, I would have thought you were posting at a Lyme forum. You symptoms are so bad and seemingly bizarre. Whatever meds you have in your present or future just look to me like they are up against a real tough foe, so having difficulties and failures with meds would not surprise me.
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> I don't know anything about you or your history, just going on your post. I'm not suggesting you have lyme, just saying that what might look like a hopeless bizarre picture actually isn't. There is a reason for all the crap, and a reason the meds are struggling.
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> There is actually a recognizable pattern to your seemingly bizarre presentation of symptoms.
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> What messes up brain/hormone chemistry really bad? Well, toxins interrupt and corrupt just about everything they touch along their journey, and many of them are fat soluble which means they aren't leaving any time soon without purposeful effort. In the case of lyme, we're talking some fairly potent neurotoxins that are byproducts of the pathogen's normal lifestyles.
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> Anyway just thought it was worth mentioning because in cases like yours I think if we want a positive prognosis we have to address every area that could be suspect, not just try to bandaid the resulting symptoms.
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Hi, well lyme is almost impossible where I live cause it's too cold in the winter and too long and ticks dont survive...I know that some case of lyme disease was discover in the Canada but it's more in the south where they have warmer winter who last not too long... I know that I fit lyme disease perfectly but they dont do those tests where I live cause of the cold wheater and I know that cause I ask my Doc about it...was also on antibiotics meds 2 years ago and one is use for lyme disease and my anxiety was very bad on it... its also not linked to adrenal fatigue, I had a 24 hours urinary test for cortisol, adrenaline, noradrrenaline, dopamine and some others things like that and everything was ok, the cortisol suppression test was also ok and same for blood cortisol take at 8 am, 10 am, 2 pm, 4 pm, 6 pm and midnight... only seem to have low adrenaline from the 24 hours urinary test... It seem that I have low serotonin and that its why I live in fears, phobias and somatization who is almost somataform disorder... well thanks for your answer...Vincent
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