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Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on January 18, 2012, at 3:47:47
At one of those terrible stages of being disgusted with my meds--all meds
i want to change my ambien but not sure to what--not trazodone maybe sonata. The ambien combined with the other meds is turning me into a stoner stumbler late at night in the kitchen. hate that
was taking wellbutrin and lexapro. The lexapro tore up my mouth and my bowels. Also cracked a tooth. Remained on wellbutrin, cracked another tooth and have an amazing amount of tension in and around my mouth and jaw.
I feel like I will never be okay again
Are there places where you can get opiates prescribed for depression?
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 18, 2012, at 5:14:16
In reply to can i give up now?, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on January 18, 2012, at 3:47:47
> At one of those terrible stages of being disgusted with my meds--all meds
> i want to change my ambien but not sure to what--not trazodone maybe sonata. The ambien combined with the other meds is turning me into a stoner stumbler late at night in the kitchen. hate that
> was taking wellbutrin and lexapro. The lexapro tore up my mouth and my bowels. Also cracked a tooth. Remained on wellbutrin, cracked another tooth and have an amazing amount of tension in and around my mouth and jaw.
> I feel like I will never be okay again
> Are there places where you can get opiates prescribed for depression?
>ER,
You wrote,[...give up..?...disgusted..all meds...change my ambien but not sure to what..turning me into..The lexapro..on wellbutrin...I feel like I will never be okay again..you can get opiates..?..].
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 18, 2012, at 5:50:11
In reply to Lou's response-trahgehdeigh » Elanor Roosevelt, posted by Lou Pilder on January 18, 2012, at 5:14:16
> > At one of those terrible stages of being disgusted with my meds--all meds
> > i want to change my ambien but not sure to what--not trazodone maybe sonata. The ambien combined with the other meds is turning me into a stoner stumbler late at night in the kitchen. hate that
> > was taking wellbutrin and lexapro. The lexapro tore up my mouth and my bowels. Also cracked a tooth. Remained on wellbutrin, cracked another tooth and have an amazing amount of tension in and around my mouth and jaw.
> > I feel like I will never be okay again
> > Are there places where you can get opiates prescribed for depression?
> >
>
> ER,
> You wrote,[...give up..?...disgusted..all meds...change my ambien but not sure to what..turning me into..The lexapro..on wellbutrin...I feel like I will never be okay again..you can get opiates..?..].
>
> ER,
I am reviewing your post for facts to get a vision of your situation. As of now, I do see what in my research could be {a way out}.
You see, there are compounds and such in the make-up of the drugs that you are taking that I have a background in. My study is centerd on the actions of chemicals used in mass-murder that are in many psychotropic drugs. Your situation follows a pattern that some others have taken and have caused their death or addiction or other condition that could be life-ruining.
Now others could offer you their take on the drug that they think could be of help to you. But do they not on the other hand say that you may be different and that therafore the drug that they say to take could backfire on you? Is this a crap-shoot?
Now one of the drugs you take is a fluorinated drug (lexapro}. Fluoride is accumlative in the body. Now as to you seeking an opiate, the use of opiates and what could happen to those that take them are well-documented going back thousands of years. The addiction potential is well documented and what happens to those that become addicted is in the public media as to those that died from the drugs or turned to crime to obtain the drugs after the doctor could not prescribe them anymore to them. There are synthetic drugs like opium and I am prohibited here by a rule made to me by Mr. Hsiung to post a lot concerning those type of drugs, like methadone. Of interest might be that before around 90 years ago, people took a drug that was called laudanum. It was an opiate with other things and it was addicting. The word {laud} means to praise. Well, there were a lot of addicts only 100 years agor from that drug. Abe Lincoln's wife was addicted to opium by way of taking Laudnum. People sometimes think that they will just keep taking the drug. But the use of the drug has consequences to the taker of the drug as the more they take it besides addiction and the potential withdrawal syndrome where some kill themselves during that period. And then when these drugs are combined, as in your case, there is a host of other possibilities that could induce death or a life-ruining condition or even cause the taker to want to kill others.
If you go to your doctor and ask for an opiated drug, could you ask him/her what the consequences could be to you if (redacted by respondent)?
Lou
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2012, at 8:18:38
In reply to can i give up now?, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on January 18, 2012, at 3:47:47
> Are there places where you can get opiates prescribed for depression?
Supposedly, but I don't know where they are. Some doctors are willing to try buprenorphine, which is an opioid that has few studies supporting its use in depression.
Everyone always cites the same one study found below. My doctor is not at all persuaded by it.
Give up?
No one can know your history of pain and your tireless efforts to relieve it. Often, crisis feelings of wanting to give up recede with the passage of time. It could be a matter of days or weeks. I hope it passes quickly for you. Your outlook is probably overwhelmingly stricken with feelings of hopeless and helplessness. How could it not be?
Please take life one moment at a time during this bad period. You know your options. Try not to act on them, as it is probably premature to do so. The bad time is likely to pass, even if you don't see how it possibly could. It will.
Do the best you can. Things should get easier soon. Your situation won't necessarily change, but your outlook will. You will become once again positive and constructive in attending to your challenges.
I talk too much. Sorry.
- Scott
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7714228
J Clin Psychopharmacol. 1995 Feb;15(1):49-57.
Buprenorphine treatment of refractory depression.
Bodkin JA, Zornberg GL, Lukas SE, Cole JO.
SourceMcLean Hospital, Consolidated Department of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, Belmont, MA 02178, USA.
AbstractOpiates were used to treat major depression until the mid-1950s. The advent of opioids with mixed agonist-antagonist or partial agonist activity, with reduced dependence and abuse liabilities, has made possible the reevaluation of opioids for this indication. This is of potential importance for the population of depressed patients who are unresponsive to or intolerant of conventional antidepressant agents. Ten subjects with treatment-refractory, unipolar, nonpsychotic, major depression were treated with the opioid partial agonist buprenorphine in an open-label study. Three subjects were unable to tolerate more than two doses because of side effects including malaise, nausea, and dysphoria. The remaining seven completed 4 to 6 weeks of treatment and as a group showed clinically striking improvement in both subjective and objective measures of depression. Much of this improvement was observed by the end of 1 week of treatment and persisted throughout the trial. Four subjects achieved complete remission of symptoms by the end of the trial (Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression scores < or = 6), two were moderately improved, and one deteriorated. These findings suggest a possible role for buprenorphine in treating refractory depression.
PMID:
7714228
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Publication Types, MeSH Terms, Substances, Grant Support
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Posted by Phillipa on January 18, 2012, at 9:59:46
In reply to Re: can i give up now? » Elanor Roosevelt, posted by SLS on January 18, 2012, at 8:18:38
Elanor good to see you but not under these circumstances. Cracked a tooth on lexapro and wellbutrin? That's horrible. I also wonder why opiods are not used for depression. If they work why not? As it seems most of the classes of meds are considered either addictive or you build tolerance to them. Still working? Benzos for sleep? Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 18, 2012, at 16:05:10
In reply to Lou's response-ehywheyowe, posted by Lou Pilder on January 18, 2012, at 5:50:11
> > > At one of those terrible stages of being disgusted with my meds--all meds
> > > i want to change my ambien but not sure to what--not trazodone maybe sonata. The ambien combined with the other meds is turning me into a stoner stumbler late at night in the kitchen. hate that
> > > was taking wellbutrin and lexapro. The lexapro tore up my mouth and my bowels. Also cracked a tooth. Remained on wellbutrin, cracked another tooth and have an amazing amount of tension in and around my mouth and jaw.
> > > I feel like I will never be okay again
> > > Are there places where you can get opiates prescribed for depression?
> > >
> >
> > ER,
> > You wrote,[...give up..?...disgusted..all meds...change my ambien but not sure to what..turning me into..The lexapro..on wellbutrin...I feel like I will never be okay again..you can get opiates..?..].
> >
> > ER,
> I am reviewing your post for facts to get a vision of your situation. As of now, I do see what in my research could be {a way out}.
> You see, there are compounds and such in the make-up of the drugs that you are taking that I have a background in. My study is centerd on the actions of chemicals used in mass-murder that are in many psychotropic drugs. Your situation follows a pattern that some others have taken and have caused their death or addiction or other condition that could be life-ruining.
> Now others could offer you their take on the drug that they think could be of help to you. But do they not on the other hand say that you may be different and that therafore the drug that they say to take could backfire on you? Is this a crap-shoot?
> Now one of the drugs you take is a fluorinated drug (lexapro}. Fluoride is accumlative in the body. Now as to you seeking an opiate, the use of opiates and what could happen to those that take them are well-documented going back thousands of years. The addiction potential is well documented and what happens to those that become addicted is in the public media as to those that died from the drugs or turned to crime to obtain the drugs after the doctor could not prescribe them anymore to them. There are synthetic drugs like opium and I am prohibited here by a rule made to me by Mr. Hsiung to post a lot concerning those type of drugs, like methadone. Of interest might be that before around 90 years ago, people took a drug that was called laudanum. It was an opiate with other things and it was addicting. The word {laud} means to praise. Well, there were a lot of addicts only 100 years agor from that drug. Abe Lincoln's wife was addicted to opium by way of taking Laudnum. People sometimes think that they will just keep taking the drug. But the use of the drug has consequences to the taker of the drug as the more they take it besides addiction and the potential withdrawal syndrome where some kill themselves during that period. And then when these drugs are combined, as in your case, there is a host of other possibilities that could induce death or a life-ruining condition or even cause the taker to want to kill others.
> If you go to your doctor and ask for an opiated drug, could you ask him/her what the consequences could be to you if (redacted by respondent)?
> LouE,
Now let's look at the combination of drugs that you are taking and see if together they could cause adverse effects to you.
The combination could cause seizures. Also there could be respiratory depression. Also agitation. The Z drug is like a benzodiazepine and could ne addictive with the associated withdrawal syndrome that you could find yourself in. With all of that, there is the potential for you to go into a mind-alterd state to want to kill yourself and/or others. The issues that you describe with your teeth are one of the signs here.
So what is one to do now? If you were to obtain a drug from your doctor that was a synthetic opium -type drug, there could be the potential of a reaction like Anna Nicole Smith and her son where they both died. So do you really want to find a doctor that would give you a drug in that class? And even if you did, what would you do with the drugs that you are taking now? Keep taking them? Stop taking them? If you want to stop taking them, the potential withdrawal syndrome could induce a mind alterd state for you to want to kill yourself and/or others. So what is the way out?
I have been revealed a way out of the situaton that you are in but Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to me so that I can not post what has been revealed to me here that IMHHO could save your life or prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition. You could go back to your prescriber of these drugs and ask him/her:
A. Why did you have me on all of these drugs at the same time when the liturature states that the combination could cause seizures or the inducement of a mind-alterd state to compel me to kill myself and/or others?
B. Why did you give me a drug that is addictive?
C. Would you pay for my pain and suffeeing as a result of what I may have to go through to get off these drugs?
D. Will you pay my survivers a death benifit if the drugs kill me?
E. Do you have any monitary relationship with any drug company?
F. Are you going to pay for me to have my cracked teeth restored?
G. How many others have had this done to them by you?
H. redacted by respondent
Lou
Posted by bleauberry on January 19, 2012, at 5:16:21
In reply to can i give up now?, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on January 18, 2012, at 3:47:47
Rhodiola Rosea.
Posted by sigismund on January 20, 2012, at 17:17:46
In reply to can i give up now?, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on January 18, 2012, at 3:47:47
In some traditional societies which have not been completely commodified opiates are available for the old and the sick, as is appropriate.
Elanor, you have had this mouth thing for quite a while, haven't you? That should be able to tell you something.
Just out of interest, do you sleep OK?
Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on January 28, 2012, at 13:03:02
In reply to Re: can i give up now?, posted by sigismund on January 20, 2012, at 17:17:46
Yes I do sleep using ambien. Never have been much of a sleeper even when I was a kid(it wasn't called insomnia it was known as disobedience).
And yes, the mouth thing--stopped the lexapro and have since lost 2 more molars while taking wellbutrin. Now I am off the wellbutrin. Any serotonin meds that have helped my head have destroyed my mouth.Well lucky for me those meds don't work anymore.
I don't remember what it is like to feel almost okay or to feel anything but detachment from the Universe. It's obviously time for a new approach.
On my way home after a bit of a trip so don't know what the shrink will say to all of this. I do know he is opioid phobic.Thanks for your comments, suggestions and words of support
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