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Posted by morgan miller on October 6, 2011, at 13:10:09
Huxley, glad to hear you are doing better and you found what is working for you.
I just wonder if you don't take enough pause and look at your experience as something that may have been very different than many other people out there. I do believe there are many people that have bad experiences with medications like you, I truly do, so I am in no way saying your experience is a rarity. I just don't think you are taking into account all of those people doing well on medications, medications that are far less invasive than the ones you were on(i.e. SSRIs-at least for most people). I have said it here before, you will not find the thousands of people doing well on drugs like SSRIs here on the internet celebrating their success and reporting it. If you think what you see on the internet represents even close to the majority of the population of people taking psychiatric medications, especially ones like SSRIs, you are greatly mistaken.
And why would you come on here and bring up such an issue with Scott when he is obviously feeling better? I find it a bit selfish. If you are doing better now, why not just leave well enough alone and get on with your life. I'm sure you are a good dude with good intentions Huxley. I just think your efforts here might be a little misguided.
Peace,
Morgan
Posted by huxley on October 6, 2011, at 23:18:23
In reply to Huxley-, posted by morgan miller on October 6, 2011, at 13:10:09
> Huxley, glad to hear you are doing better and you found what is working for you.
>
> I just wonder if you don't take enough pause and look at your experience as something that may have been very different than many other people out there. I do believe there are many people that have bad experiences with medications like you, I truly do, so I am in no way saying your experience is a rarity. I just don't think you are taking into account all of those people doing well on medications, medications that are far less invasive than the ones you were on(i.e. SSRIs-at least for most people). I have said it here before, you will not find the thousands of people doing well on drugs like SSRIs here on the internet celebrating their success and reporting it. If you think what you see on the internet represents even close to the majority of the population of people taking psychiatric medications, especially ones like SSRIs, you are greatly mistaken.
>
> And why would you come on here and bring up such an issue with Scott when he is obviously feeling better? I find it a bit selfish. If you are doing better now, why not just leave well enough alone and get on with your life. I'm sure you are a good dude with good intentions Huxley. I just think your efforts here might be a little misguided.
>
> Peace,
>
> MorganWow my own topic. Gathering up the pitchforks and the angry mob? Do I get run out of town now for having an opinion that doesn't comply with everyone else?
That is a pretty wafer thin argument to hide behind.
'you will not find the thousands of people doing well on drugs like SSRIs here on the internet celebrating their success and reporting it.'
No but I can find you tens of thousands of people who's life has been uterly destroyed them.
I am happy for Scott if he is feeling better.
Don't really know where you are comming from to be honest.The amount of drugs that people have taken, me included have no doubt caused ongoing problems and harm. Put your head in the sand if you dont like the topic.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 7, 2011, at 7:07:16
In reply to Huxley-, posted by morgan miller on October 6, 2011, at 13:10:09
> Huxley, glad to hear you are doing better and you found what is working for you.
>
> I just wonder if you don't take enough pause and look at your experience as something that may have been very different than many other people out there. I do believe there are many people that have bad experiences with medications like you, I truly do, so I am in no way saying your experience is a rarity. I just don't think you are taking into account all of those people doing well on medications, medications that are far less invasive than the ones you were on(i.e. SSRIs-at least for most people). I have said it here before, you will not find the thousands of people doing well on drugs like SSRIs here on the internet celebrating their success and reporting it. If you think what you see on the internet represents even close to the majority of the population of people taking psychiatric medications, especially ones like SSRIs, you are greatly mistaken.
>
> And why would you come on here and bring up such an issue with Scott when he is obviously feeling better? I find it a bit selfish. If you are doing better now, why not just leave well enough alone and get on with your life. I'm sure you are a good dude with good intentions Huxley. I just think your efforts here might be a little misguided.
>
> Peace,
>
> MorganMorgan,
YOu wrote,[...you are greatly xxx... a bit zzz...your efforts here might be a little yyy...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What evidence do you use, if any, to claim that there is a great mistake?
B. If Huxley's efforts gave some type of warning to others that about 42,000 people died last year as the result of taking psychotropic drugs, would that not be a good thing to do? If not, why not?
C. If Huxley's efforts gave warning that life-ruining conditions could happen to those taking psychotropic drugs, could Huxley's effort be considerd to be unselfish? If not, why not?
D. Here is a link to the events where people taking psychotropic drugs have killed themselves and/or others and other events arising out of that one was taking psychotropic drugs. Each day, there are the new cases added. You can see the added cases in order of the most recent by clicking on the red {date} at the top, then the page will change to the most recent cases first. There might be some new cases today.
The site will show that it is plainly visible as to the consequences of (redacted by respondent)as being misguided or not.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
Posted by morgan miller on October 7, 2011, at 7:42:30
In reply to Re: Huxley-, posted by huxley on October 6, 2011, at 23:18:23
You seem like a pretty bitter and angry dude. I'm sure you know this is not going to take you very far in finding any peace and happiness.
Btw, I meant for this to be on Scott's Viibryd thread, but I think I posted under new topic instead by accident.
I can see your side, I don't deny there are people that suffer because of psychiatric medications. What I think you fail to see is all the people out there doing just fine on meds and never having long term problems because of them.
Take Care Huxley,
Morgan
Posted by morgan miller on October 7, 2011, at 7:57:26
In reply to Lou's request-akyukonpfrun » morgan miller, posted by Lou Pilder on October 7, 2011, at 7:07:16
> > Huxley, glad to hear you are doing better and you found what is working for you.
> >
> > I just wonder if you don't take enough pause and look at your experience as something that may have been very different than many other people out there. I do believe there are many people that have bad experiences with medications like you, I truly do, so I am in no way saying your experience is a rarity. I just don't think you are taking into account all of those people doing well on medications, medications that are far less invasive than the ones you were on(i.e. SSRIs-at least for most people). I have said it here before, you will not find the thousands of people doing well on drugs like SSRIs here on the internet celebrating their success and reporting it. If you think what you see on the internet represents even close to the majority of the population of people taking psychiatric medications, especially ones like SSRIs, you are greatly mistaken.
> >
> > And why would you come on here and bring up such an issue with Scott when he is obviously feeling better? I find it a bit selfish. If you are doing better now, why not just leave well enough alone and get on with your life. I'm sure you are a good dude with good intentions Huxley. I just think your efforts here might be a little misguided.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Morgan
>
> Morgan,> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. What evidence do you use, if any, to claim that there is a great mistake?
> B. If Huxley's efforts gave some type of warning to others that about 42,000 people died last year as the result of taking psychotropic drugs, would that not be a good thing to do? If not, why not?
> C. If Huxley's efforts gave warning that life-ruining conditions could happen to those taking psychotropic drugs, could Huxley's effort be considerd to be unselfish? If not, why not?
> D. Here is a link to the events where people taking psychotropic drugs have killed themselves and/or others and other events arising out of that one was taking psychotropic drugs. Each day, there are the new cases added. You can see the added cases in order of the most recent by clicking on the red {date} at the top, then the page will change to the most recent cases first. There might be some new cases today.
> The site will show that it is plainly visible as to the consequences of (redacted by respondent)as being misguided or not.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
>I will answer B. First, there is always risk with medication, that's just the nature of the beast until the future when we can come up with much better treatments. It happens with all types of medicaiton, not just psychiatric meds. Second, we do not know if deaths from psychiatric meds occurred due to misuse. Meaning, it is very possible patients were given doses that were higher than they should have been given. Third, we are not taking into account the health and age of these people that may have died as a result of something triggered by the use of psychiatric medications.
Huxley is motivated by his bad experience. He is not taking into account all of the other good experiences out there. He is simply going by what he reads. Thousands of people are doing well and going on with their lives, they have no interest in reporting this on the internet. This is where the mistake is being made. I guess that answers A. for ya Lou.
C...Hardly any good deed is out of pure unselfishness. We do something out of some need for reward of feeling good about what we did in return. Huxley is not only motivated by this(I'm skeptical as to whether much of his motivations comes from wanting to help others and feeling good as a result), but he is motivated by his own anger and bitterness, this is where the misguided aspect comes into play. Well, there ya go Hux, it has turned into a lynch mob, a one man lynch mob so far.
> YOu wrote,[...you are greatly xxx... a bit zzz...your efforts here might be a little yyy...]
Actually, that's not even close to what I wrote.
Morgan
Posted by morgan miller on October 7, 2011, at 8:02:24
In reply to Re: Huxley-, posted by huxley on October 6, 2011, at 23:18:23
Huxley, I was not trying to be inflammatory, I was simply making a point. I genuinely meant it when I said that I was "glad to hear you are doing better and you found what is working for you". I tried to put my words out there in a way that you may be able to take them constructively, but as usual, you appear to be driven by anger to the point of not being able to receive certain messages very well.
Have you considered seeing a good therapist? You do know, that all of us have had something going on for a long time that contributed to our mental health struggles. So, it would be worth while to explore some things and therapy. It ain't easy though, and it may take a few years or so. Just a thought. Hope this doesn't make you angry.
Morgan
Posted by Phillipa on October 7, 2011, at 12:35:54
In reply to Re: Huxley-, posted by morgan miller on October 7, 2011, at 8:02:24
Morgan glad to see you. I tend to agree with you as so many people I know in real life are holding jobs feeling great on an SSRI. I can count about half my neighbors that are in this category. Hope life is treating you well. Phillipa
Posted by huxley on October 7, 2011, at 18:18:42
In reply to Re: Huxley-, posted by morgan miller on October 7, 2011, at 8:02:24
haha morgan.
Nice scatterbrained attack.
I am either a nice dude with good intentions or a rageaholic who need several years of therapy :)
You are all over the place buddy.Show a little bit more maturity.
My belief is that medications can help people initally. For years maybe even a decade. But everyone seems to end up the same and that is not in a good spot.We have a difference of opinion on this issue. If you want to discuss the issue fine but if you want to instead cast aspersions on my character then I have better things to do.
Posted by morgan miller on October 7, 2011, at 22:54:05
In reply to Re: Huxley-, posted by huxley on October 7, 2011, at 18:18:42
Well, Huxley, it's the posts you make, I have nothing better to base my thoughts on you from. Words are powerful, and yours tell me a lot. If I am wrong sorry.
We all need therapy. I'm not casting you out as being some f*ck*d up dude that needs years of therapy, it's every f*ck*ng one of us. Things are complicated, none of us are just simply born a certain way. It's not just that we had some stressful years.
>My belief is that medications can help people initally. For years maybe even a decade. But everyone seems to end up the same and that is not in a good spot.
Again, everyone you read about on the internet. People in life don't go around advertising that they are on an antidepressant. You may know someone that's been on something for 20 years, and has done pretty darn good. Saying that everyone ends up in a bad place because of antidepressants has zero evidence behind it. I personally know 2 people that have been on antidepressants for well more than 15 years and they are doing just fine.
I'm not so sure I'm being the immature one here.
And yes, someone who is a good person can do things that may not be in the best interest of other people. I've done it, and everyone on this planet has done it. It's called being human. I know you know this, but it seems like you needed a reminder after some of your comments on my post.
Take Care,
Morgan
Posted by huxley on October 8, 2011, at 1:17:17
In reply to Re: Huxley- » huxley, posted by morgan miller on October 7, 2011, at 22:54:05
You are just getting upset now.
Take a little time out and compose yourself.I will say it again,
I am happy to discuss beliefs but I am not really interested in your opinions on me and my shortcomings.
I am not just going of anecdotal stories I read on the internet.
SSRIs/NIs poop out well before the 15 year mark.
Are you trying to say that these people you know were depressed, took a ssri and still do 15 years later and are cured from their depression because of their SSRI?
Would be interested to see how they go if they try and stop taking them after 15 years of use.
Not saying that is impossible just that I dont think that is a common experience.
Would also be interested to here your opinions on long term use of
Stimulants
Benzos
Anti-Psychotics
Anti-Convulsants
MAOIs
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2011, at 6:58:09
In reply to Lou's request-akyukonpfrun » morgan miller, posted by Lou Pilder on October 7, 2011, at 7:07:16
> > Huxley, glad to hear you are doing better and you found what is working for you.
> >
> > I just wonder if you don't take enough pause and look at your experience as something that may have been very different than many other people out there. I do believe there are many people that have bad experiences with medications like you, I truly do, so I am in no way saying your experience is a rarity. I just don't think you are taking into account all of those people doing well on medications, medications that are far less invasive than the ones you were on(i.e. SSRIs-at least for most people). I have said it here before, you will not find the thousands of people doing well on drugs like SSRIs here on the internet celebrating their success and reporting it. If you think what you see on the internet represents even close to the majority of the population of people taking psychiatric medications, especially ones like SSRIs, you are greatly mistaken.
> >
> > And why would you come on here and bring up such an issue with Scott when he is obviously feeling better? I find it a bit selfish. If you are doing better now, why not just leave well enough alone and get on with your life. I'm sure you are a good dude with good intentions Huxley. I just think your efforts here might be a little misguided.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Morgan
>
> Morgan,
> YOu wrote,[...you are greatly xxx... a bit zzz...your efforts here might be a little yyy...]
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. What evidence do you use, if any, to claim that there is a great mistake?
> B. If Huxley's efforts gave some type of warning to others that about 42,000 people died last year as the result of taking psychotropic drugs, would that not be a good thing to do? If not, why not?
> C. If Huxley's efforts gave warning that life-ruining conditions could happen to those taking psychotropic drugs, could Huxley's effort be considerd to be unselfish? If not, why not?
> D. Here is a link to the events where people taking psychotropic drugs have killed themselves and/or others and other events arising out of that one was taking psychotropic drugs. Each day, there are the new cases added. You can see the added cases in order of the most recent by clicking on the red {date} at the top, then the page will change to the most recent cases first. There might be some new cases today.
> The site will show that it is plainly visible as to the consequences of (redacted by respondent)as being misguided or not.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
>Friends,
Ifd you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
To see this video;
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Every Month Psychiatric Drugs more people than 911]
There will be a pic of a woman...posted on Feb 9 2009
Posted by SLS on October 8, 2011, at 7:56:48
In reply to Re: Huxley- » morgan miller, posted by huxley on October 8, 2011, at 1:17:17
Hi Huxley.
> SSRIs/NIs poop out well before the 15 year mark.
You could be right, but I haven't seen anything in black-and-white describing this.
People have remained well on tricyclics for decades.
Again, though, what better choice is there but to treat a severe and debilitating depression with the currently available medications? 10 years at a time ain't bad. When one relapses after such an extended period of time, there still exists the alternative to switch or augment medications for another 10 years. This seems preferable to languishing for decades worrying about what incidental adverse effects there are on the brain from drug treatment. You could die having been depressed for every day of your life while waiting for better drugs to be synthesized and marketed. No thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on October 8, 2011, at 19:32:34
In reply to Re: Huxley- » morgan miller, posted by huxley on October 8, 2011, at 1:17:17
Been on benzos low dose for over 41 years still on them sleep well. Through the years have cut doses down as don't require them. Phillipa
Posted by morgan miller on October 8, 2011, at 21:14:59
In reply to Lou's request-greytleighmizteighkun?, posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2011, at 6:58:09
> > > Huxley, glad to hear you are doing better and you found what is working for you.
> > >
> > > I just wonder if you don't take enough pause and look at your experience as something that may have been very different than many other people out there. I do believe there are many people that have bad experiences with medications like you, I truly do, so I am in no way saying your experience is a rarity. I just don't think you are taking into account all of those people doing well on medications, medications that are far less invasive than the ones you were on(i.e. SSRIs-at least for most people). I have said it here before, you will not find the thousands of people doing well on drugs like SSRIs here on the internet celebrating their success and reporting it. If you think what you see on the internet represents even close to the majority of the population of people taking psychiatric medications, especially ones like SSRIs, you are greatly mistaken.
> > >
> > > And why would you come on here and bring up such an issue with Scott when he is obviously feeling better? I find it a bit selfish. If you are doing better now, why not just leave well enough alone and get on with your life. I'm sure you are a good dude with good intentions Huxley. I just think your efforts here might be a little misguided.
> > >
> > > Peace,
> > >
> > > Morgan
> >
> > Morgan,
> > YOu wrote,[...you are greatly xxx... a bit zzz...your efforts here might be a little yyy...]
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > A. What evidence do you use, if any, to claim that there is a great mistake?
> > B. If Huxley's efforts gave some type of warning to others that about 42,000 people died last year as the result of taking psychotropic drugs, would that not be a good thing to do? If not, why not?
> > C. If Huxley's efforts gave warning that life-ruining conditions could happen to those taking psychotropic drugs, could Huxley's effort be considerd to be unselfish? If not, why not?
> > D. Here is a link to the events where people taking psychotropic drugs have killed themselves and/or others and other events arising out of that one was taking psychotropic drugs. Each day, there are the new cases added. You can see the added cases in order of the most recent by clicking on the red {date} at the top, then the page will change to the most recent cases first. There might be some new cases today.
> > The site will show that it is plainly visible as to the consequences of (redacted by respondent)as being misguided or not.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
> >
>
> Friends,
> Ifd you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To see this video;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Every Month Psychiatric Drugs more people than 911]
> There will be a pic of a woman...posted on Feb 9 2009
>Lou, I'm not sure if anyone is actually watching these videos. Wouldn't it be more productive for you to have an actual conversation with us?
Morgan
Posted by morgan miller on October 8, 2011, at 21:26:50
In reply to Re: Huxley- » morgan miller, posted by huxley on October 8, 2011, at 1:17:17
>Are you trying to say that these people you know were depressed, took a ssri and still do 15 years later and are cured from their depression because of their SSRI?
I'm not trying to say anything, I KNOW people. Who knows what might happen if they stopped, everyone is different when it comes to these drugs. And why should they stop if they feel well and don't suffer any harmful side effects? Actually, I think one woman I know has been on Prozac for 20 years, and she lives live, feels joy and sadness, and simply goes on like everyone else.
>I am not just going of anecdotal stories I read on the internet.
What are you going on? Your experience? I'm sure you've met others with not so great or down right terrible experiences, but you have not spoken to the thousands of other people taking antidepressants and mood stabilizers who have not reported anything on the internet. So, how do you know that all people end up having problems after using medication for ten years or more?
You do realize, mood stabilizers can prevent severe episodes in bipolar, which I know can do far more damage to someone's life and the health of their brain than mood stabilizers might do. If these medications are used properly, and someone takes good care of themselves(I take l-carnitine and l methylfolate with depakote as they can be depleted with use), they can do just fine for decades without any health issues whatsoever.
I'm not crazy about many medications out there. I think antipsychotics should only be used for severe illnesses and/or as a last resort. I also believe there is far far too much polypharmacy going on, with doctors always looking for a quick fix and patients being lead to believe this is the only way. So yes, I believe medications are prescribed too much and too soon in many cases. But, I like what Scott said, he makes good points as to why medications are used and when it is appropriate to use them.
Morgan
Posted by huxley on October 9, 2011, at 3:24:54
In reply to Re: Huxley-, posted by morgan miller on October 8, 2011, at 21:26:50
'I'm not trying to say anything, I KNOW people.'
And I KNOW people who have been made worse by SSRIs.
'What are you going on? Your experience? I'm sure you've met others with not so great or down right terrible experiences,'
What are you going on? Your experience?
Yes I use my experience as evidence of the harm of psych meds. I also use the experience of other people I know. The ancedotal stories I read on the internet. The peer reviewed studies I read.
The books I read.'You do realize, mood stabilizers can prevent severe episodes in bipolar,'
You do realize that SSRI's can create 'bipolar' like symptoms that need to be treated with a mood stabilizer?
'they can do just fine for decades without any health issues whatsoever.'
If they are lucky. Tell that to my friend who has had her liver destroyed by Lithium.
How about some hepatic failure or pancretis from Depokate?How is your cognitive functioning?
'So yes, I believe medications are prescribed too much and too soon in many cases. But, I like what Scott said, he makes good points as to why medications are used and when it is appropriate to use them.'
I agree with everything you say here. But you can't put that down as a minor problem.
It is a MASSIVE problem. Poly drugging people in the name of Corporate GREED who could otherwise recover naturally is sickening.
Setting them on a lifelong course of disability because of the side effects of their medications.
Disgusting.
Some people may need meds as you claim. But what is to say that their condition is not being made worse in the long term by messing with the balance of their brain?
Posted by huxley on October 9, 2011, at 4:48:42
In reply to Re: Huxley- » huxley, posted by Phillipa on October 8, 2011, at 19:32:34
> Been on benzos low dose for over 41 years still on them sleep well. Through the years have cut doses down as don't require them. Phillipa
Oh really?So you think you could stop them?
Posted by SLS on October 9, 2011, at 5:49:56
In reply to Re: Huxley-, posted by morgan miller on October 8, 2011, at 21:26:50
> I also believe there is far far too much polypharmacy going on...
What is inherently wrong with using more than drug to treat conditions that probably involve anomalous processes at multiple sites?
I think the sentiments against polypharmacy are more ideological than scientific.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 9, 2011, at 8:06:42
In reply to Lou's request-greytleighmizteighkun?, posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2011, at 6:58:09
> > > Huxley, glad to hear you are doing better and you found what is working for you.
> > >
> > > I just wonder if you don't take enough pause and look at your experience as something that may have been very different than many other people out there. I do believe there are many people that have bad experiences with medications like you, I truly do, so I am in no way saying your experience is a rarity. I just don't think you are taking into account all of those people doing well on medications, medications that are far less invasive than the ones you were on(i.e. SSRIs-at least for most people). I have said it here before, you will not find the thousands of people doing well on drugs like SSRIs here on the internet celebrating their success and reporting it. If you think what you see on the internet represents even close to the majority of the population of people taking psychiatric medications, especially ones like SSRIs, you are greatly mistaken.
> > >
> > > And why would you come on here and bring up such an issue with Scott when he is obviously feeling better? I find it a bit selfish. If you are doing better now, why not just leave well enough alone and get on with your life. I'm sure you are a good dude with good intentions Huxley. I just think your efforts here might be a little misguided.
> > >
> > > Peace,
> > >
> > > Morgan
> >
> > Morgan,
> > YOu wrote,[...you are greatly xxx... a bit zzz...your efforts here might be a little yyy...]
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > A. What evidence do you use, if any, to claim that there is a great mistake?
> > B. If Huxley's efforts gave some type of warning to others that about 42,000 people died last year as the result of taking psychotropic drugs, would that not be a good thing to do? If not, why not?
> > C. If Huxley's efforts gave warning that life-ruining conditions could happen to those taking psychotropic drugs, could Huxley's effort be considerd to be unselfish? If not, why not?
> > D. Here is a link to the events where people taking psychotropic drugs have killed themselves and/or others and other events arising out of that one was taking psychotropic drugs. Each day, there are the new cases added. You can see the added cases in order of the most recent by clicking on the red {date} at the top, then the page will change to the most recent cases first. There might be some new cases today.
> > The site will show that it is plainly visible as to the consequences of (redacted by respondent)as being misguided or not.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
> >
>
> Friends,
> Ifd you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To see this video;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Every Month Psychiatric Drugs more people than 911]
> There will be a pic of a woman...posted on Feb 9 2009
>Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you viiew the following video. Lou....To view this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, In Memory of Christopher-one of 800]
This could come up first and it was posted on April 20 2011 and the time is 4 min
Posted by Phillipa on October 9, 2011, at 19:44:54
In reply to Re: Huxley-, posted by huxley on October 9, 2011, at 4:48:42
Why if I'm fine 65 years old now. As my pdoc said "If it ain't broke don't need to fix it". Phillipa
Posted by huxley on October 9, 2011, at 20:42:18
In reply to Re: Huxley- » huxley, posted by Phillipa on October 9, 2011, at 19:44:54
> Why if I'm fine 65 years old now. As my pdoc said "If it ain't broke don't need to fix it". Phillipa
Ok you have convinced me that there are no long (even short) term addiction withdrawal and tolerance complications with Benzos.
Posted by morgan miller on October 10, 2011, at 1:49:36
In reply to Re: Huxley- » morgan miller, posted by SLS on October 9, 2011, at 5:49:56
> > I also believe there is far far too much polypharmacy going on...
>
> What is inherently wrong with using more than drug to treat conditions that probably involve anomalous processes at multiple sites?
>
> I think the sentiments against polypharmacy are more ideological than scientific.
>
>
> - ScottI think I'm speaking more of people who go to the doctor and get on a benzo, then and ssri, than aderral for add, before any one treatment-preferably just an SSRI-is able to take hold and the person has a chance to do all the other things on top of the SSRI that they should be doing to make further improvement. Doctors rush for the quick fix, ofter prescribing 2 or 3 medications within the first few months. Then, after a patients brain has been messed with enough, along with being influenced to believe medication is the only solution, the patient grows more dependent on medication than they may have been, had a more patient and integrative approach been taken.
Posted by morgan miller on October 10, 2011, at 1:52:16
In reply to Re: Huxley-, posted by huxley on October 9, 2011, at 3:24:54
>And I KNOW people who have been made worse by SSRIs.
Yeah, and what's your point? I know this happens too. But you basically said, that all people end up being worse off after using psychiatric medications. Understand where I've been trying to get at in reaction to your original statement? Plus the fact that the people who have the type of adverse events you mention are likely in the minority, not the majority.
Posted by morgan miller on October 10, 2011, at 1:54:30
In reply to Re: Huxley-, posted by huxley on October 9, 2011, at 3:24:54
>If they are lucky. Tell that to my friend who has had her liver destroyed by Lithium.
How about some hepatic failure or pancretis from Depokate?This has more to do with the misuse of medication and not the medications themselves. You can take small doses of lithium for the rest of your life and if anything it will be good for you and your brain.
Posted by morgan miller on October 10, 2011, at 1:56:16
In reply to Lou's request-greytleighmizteighkun?kkrhmnhg, posted by Lou Pilder on October 9, 2011, at 8:06:42
> > > > Huxley, glad to hear you are doing better and you found what is working for you.
> > > >
> > > > I just wonder if you don't take enough pause and look at your experience as something that may have been very different than many other people out there. I do believe there are many people that have bad experiences with medications like you, I truly do, so I am in no way saying your experience is a rarity. I just don't think you are taking into account all of those people doing well on medications, medications that are far less invasive than the ones you were on(i.e. SSRIs-at least for most people). I have said it here before, you will not find the thousands of people doing well on drugs like SSRIs here on the internet celebrating their success and reporting it. If you think what you see on the internet represents even close to the majority of the population of people taking psychiatric medications, especially ones like SSRIs, you are greatly mistaken.
> > > >
> > > > And why would you come on here and bring up such an issue with Scott when he is obviously feeling better? I find it a bit selfish. If you are doing better now, why not just leave well enough alone and get on with your life. I'm sure you are a good dude with good intentions Huxley. I just think your efforts here might be a little misguided.
> > > >
> > > > Peace,
> > > >
> > > > Morgan
> > >
> > > Morgan,
> > > YOu wrote,[...you are greatly xxx... a bit zzz...your efforts here might be a little yyy...]
> > > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > A. What evidence do you use, if any, to claim that there is a great mistake?
> > > B. If Huxley's efforts gave some type of warning to others that about 42,000 people died last year as the result of taking psychotropic drugs, would that not be a good thing to do? If not, why not?
> > > C. If Huxley's efforts gave warning that life-ruining conditions could happen to those taking psychotropic drugs, could Huxley's effort be considerd to be unselfish? If not, why not?
> > > D. Here is a link to the events where people taking psychotropic drugs have killed themselves and/or others and other events arising out of that one was taking psychotropic drugs. Each day, there are the new cases added. You can see the added cases in order of the most recent by clicking on the red {date} at the top, then the page will change to the most recent cases first. There might be some new cases today.
> > > The site will show that it is plainly visible as to the consequences of (redacted by respondent)as being misguided or not.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
> > >
> >
> > Friends,
> > Ifd you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > Lou
> > To see this video;
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Every Month Psychiatric Drugs more people than 911]
> > There will be a pic of a woman...posted on Feb 9 2009
> >
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you viiew the following video. Lou....To view this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, In Memory of Christopher-one of 800]
> This could come up first and it was posted on April 20 2011 and the time is 4 minLou,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you actually have a conversation, like some here say you used to have.
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