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Posted by Fivefires on January 21, 2010, at 13:57:57
Hey.
I have a salty taste in my mouth.
I've recently had the dx of CFS surface like an earthquake, alongside fibromyalgia, congestion.
Stressors have been high. Two people who don't know one another have been essentially 'stalking me', one whom is breaking the law by doing so, and another who, if does again, will also be breaking the law.
I thought of Phi***** when my first search for salty taste in mouth had a connection to Lymes.
I've had a sore on the top of my head that does not heal. I used to go mushroom hunting in the midwest.
I've thrown a lot out here in an unorganized fashion because I am 'fearful'. On the horizon are these two people who don't understand 'do not contact me', a physical move to a new location, and an appt in a couple hours with a pcp who prescribed a short stint of predni*one which made me feel alive again!
Must I fast for a cortisol test?
Feedback greatly appreciated my friends.
5f
Posted by bleauberry on January 21, 2010, at 17:49:53
In reply to CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by Fivefires on January 21, 2010, at 13:57:57
I have never heard of the salty taste thing, so can't help you there.
Prednisone can do wonders to help CFS or MS patients feel very well. It is however a double edged sword, because in the long run it allows the disease to dig in deeper. There are high risks. If it is Lyme you are talking about, prednisone or cortisol enhancement weakens the immune system, and allows the bacteria to thrive even more than they do now. If it is any number of other infections, same situation.
The wound that won't heal is troubling. That indicates an already overwhelmed immune system.
Fasting for a cortisol test? I've never heard of that. The most accurate test I know of is the 4 sample in a day test. Not the 24 hour average, not a single sample, and not a provoked sample. Only the 4 samples in a day approach will show you what is happening and display the whole picture on a graph from morning to midnight.
I know very little of your case except for what you wrote in this thread. Based on that very little bit of info, the single best thing you could do right now is LDN (google search Low Dose Naltrexone).
Posted by Phillipa on January 21, 2010, at 19:42:02
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by bleauberry on January 21, 2010, at 17:49:53
Five Fires it's about time you posted. You no longer write? Was wondering about you today. Still got the sore on head? Are you still picking it? As for the lymes good timing as just got another done and three bands on IGG still positive and can't get any doc to interpret it. Hoping blue can help out? I've had the blood cortisol no fasting for it. But I do now think a saliva cortisol is more accurate. Can be ordered via the net. Where did you get another stalker know who one is? Who confirmed the CFS and Fibro? Taking anything for it? Love Phillipa
Posted by tea on January 22, 2010, at 2:29:17
In reply to CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by Fivefires on January 21, 2010, at 13:57:57
> Must I fast for a cortisol test?
>
morning cortisol blood test (if I recall right) is just crawl out of bed, don't drink, eat or even clean your teeth (probably wera your clothes to bed to save any effort), then get someone to drive you to blood test first thing on waking if possible (our test places open about 7.30AM), and get blood test about 7.30AM-8AM. then go home have brekkie etc. best if also get an aft test about 4PM to compare the two.
Doing anything supposedly causes the blood cortisol to rise and you want to test if it is low on waking. if you could just test it in bed, even better! LOL That's from memory. It's tot tst if your sortisol rises naturally overnight as it should to OK levels or if not.
Afternoon does not have to be fasting. Gee my recall is poor, I think about 4PMish?
Hope this helps as to why they say that about the fasting.Sorry I clean forget what the salty taste means... had it and now forget.. back in 2002-2203 ish
Posted by bleauberry on January 23, 2010, at 12:03:12
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by tea on January 22, 2010, at 2:29:17
The saliva test is as accurate or more so than the blood test, so no need to fast. You can even do it in bed as soon as you wake up.
The morning-only test is flawed, because it "assumes" that your entire daily cortisol curve is following a normal pattern. It can be completely backwards, to where cortisol excessively high in the morning, but terribly low when it is supposed to be high. That happened to me. If I had taken the morning-only test, a doctor would have said my cortisol was fine because it was higher than normal, when in fact it was inthe dumps off the bottom of the graph all the rest of the 24 hours.
All a single test will do is tell you how much cortisol is at that particular hour...without any reference to how that compares to your cortisol the rest of the day. It does nothing to show the true picture. With cortisol, the amount present on a lab graph is only half the story, and is meaningless without the other half...which is, what does the entire 24 hour curve look like. Two tests a day is also not enough. Four minimum is needed, and some labs do 6 per day.
> > Must I fast for a cortisol test?
> >
> morning cortisol blood test (if I recall right) is just crawl out of bed, don't drink, eat or even clean your teeth (probably wera your clothes to bed to save any effort), then get someone to drive you to blood test first thing on waking if possible (our test places open about 7.30AM), and get blood test about 7.30AM-8AM. then go home have brekkie etc. best if also get an aft test about 4PM to compare the two.
> Doing anything supposedly causes the blood cortisol to rise and you want to test if it is low on waking. if you could just test it in bed, even better! LOL That's from memory. It's tot tst if your sortisol rises naturally overnight as it should to OK levels or if not.
> Afternoon does not have to be fasting. Gee my recall is poor, I think about 4PMish?
> Hope this helps as to why they say that about the fasting.
>
> Sorry I clean forget what the salty taste means... had it and now forget.. back in 2002-2203 ish
Posted by tea on January 24, 2010, at 5:01:22
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by bleauberry on January 23, 2010, at 12:03:12
Sigh.
The short answer was, yes you need to fast.Long answer.
I've had both blood tests(morning and afternoon), and just morning only.
I've also has the 4 times a day blood tests. With me, they all agreed, but I did the blood tests as I outlined in previous post on this thread.
Some docs like the blood tests better as they have found that the saliva tests can be "altered" bu the swabs used for collection and show a 'low cortisol" which is not "real" but just the cortisol is destroyed by the swab.
(some docs only offer saliva as they are not able to write scrips for blood tests too)
My saliva test didnt use swabs ..just spat into the container.
That said plastic containers can and do alter test results(and yet, they do continue to use them in collecting blood(last few years) and saliva and in studies..even though they have found they have wrecked of some:-). It's ease of use argument!Not just me, but many people I have known have had consistent results between saliva and blood test when they have done both in the outlined manner..actually so far, noone has had differing results, unless they have not fasted or have exercised etc in the morning.
That said, saliva not using any swabs, is far easier for collection-do just as get out of bed(I did).
My main problem was I just couldnt stay awake to midnight..so I took my night one at about 11Pm..and I was soo..tired I coudlnt get off the pillow but managed to take it at the itme lying down. It came out as undetectable (the "midnight" saliva one..which is how I felt. Obviously not truely accurate as I would have been dead, but reflected how I felt for sure!)
You have to go with the kind your doc prefers, but try to get a morning and aft one (same day is necessary to show anything), after a good nights sleep and morning as descibed for more likely meaningful useful results.
Posted by bleauberry on January 24, 2010, at 6:19:13
In reply to Cortisol fasting?, posted by tea on January 24, 2010, at 5:01:22
Very informative. Thank you for sharing. I was not aware of the plastic thing or the swab thing. I'm glad you mentioned that. I'll have to learn more about that.
> Sigh.
> The short answer was, yes you need to fast.
>
> Long answer.
> I've had both blood tests(morning and afternoon), and just morning only.
> I've also has the 4 times a day blood tests. With me, they all agreed, but I did the blood tests as I outlined in previous post on this thread.
> Some docs like the blood tests better as they have found that the saliva tests can be "altered" bu the swabs used for collection and show a 'low cortisol" which is not "real" but just the cortisol is destroyed by the swab.
> (some docs only offer saliva as they are not able to write scrips for blood tests too)
> My saliva test didnt use swabs ..just spat into the container.
> That said plastic containers can and do alter test results(and yet, they do continue to use them in collecting blood(last few years) and saliva and in studies..even though they have found they have wrecked of some:-). It's ease of use argument!
>
> Not just me, but many people I have known have had consistent results between saliva and blood test when they have done both in the outlined manner..actually so far, noone has had differing results, unless they have not fasted or have exercised etc in the morning.
>
> That said, saliva not using any swabs, is far easier for collection-do just as get out of bed(I did).
> My main problem was I just couldnt stay awake to midnight..so I took my night one at about 11Pm..and I was soo..tired I coudlnt get off the pillow but managed to take it at the itme lying down. It came out as undetectable (the "midnight" saliva one..which is how I felt. Obviously not truely accurate as I would have been dead, but reflected how I felt for sure!)
> You have to go with the kind your doc prefers, but try to get a morning and aft one (same day is necessary to show anything), after a good nights sleep and morning as descibed for more likely meaningful useful results.
>
>
>
Posted by tea on January 24, 2010, at 17:04:36
In reply to Re: Cortisol fasting? » tea, posted by bleauberry on January 24, 2010, at 6:19:13
I guess I'm trying to say that you can only use testing as a guide or another indiccation. It must be viewed together with symptoms and cannot be considered "precise". Both saliva and blood testing do not precisely reflect what is occuring in tissue in various parts of your body, but they do serve as indicators.
I like Elaine on testing ( as that's her training and work area)
http://www.elaine-moore.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=%2F9L8vChnSgg%3D&tabid=139&mid=589
A lot of the promotion of saliva against blood testing is done by those who run the saliva tests or docs that are not authorised to scrip blood tests.
Red the glass V plastic . I last loked at this in 2003 ish. At the time a no of studies were thought to be possibly compromised by the switch, at least that's what I heard. It looks like since then it's been decided they are OK.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15147155
The main concerns were with measurement hormones where the amounts were really small.
best wishes,
Jan
PS Due to limited time and not much energy I try to just answer the question as simply as possible.
Posted by Fivefires on January 27, 2010, at 1:27:22
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by bleauberry on January 21, 2010, at 17:49:53
Yes bleuaberry, I wondered why at least a pm cortisol was not done. On my lab order it only showed an am and a pm.
I saw no 4x a day test on lab sheet, but suppose it a particular code dr could write on lab order.
I don't understand why the endo didn't order the labs. He verbally suggested seeing GE, going to Mayo (no $), or steroids. He, like many specialists, leave so much to PCP.
PCP did refill as original regimen, so on now.
Will google low dose naltraxone!
Apologize belated reply; MS didn't think I authentic; kept booting me out.
TY so much.
5f
Posted by Fivefires on January 27, 2010, at 1:41:37
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by Phillipa on January 21, 2010, at 19:42:02
Hey my friend. Yes, sore on head always scabs over, pick off. I thought no lab test for Lymes. And, the blood cortisol was nonfasting? I did the one in a.m. only fasting!
You think saliva cortisol is worth looking into? It was when I was OFF the predni*one 0_0 so couldn't attribute to this. I'd been off it for a week and a half and started to notice this even after brush teeth or eat something totally NOT salty. Can you share web site?
I'm a magnet for sta*kers think P! Part reason I'm posting late, fear of sleeping and someone coming in. This doesn't help my health I know.
In 2000, a really good psychologist added it to my dxs, but paid no attn back then. After 2005, I totally changed afa my energy and tolerance of stress. Now the last 3yrs have been like lifeless. Before pred*isone, all did was lie in bed all day, and said to my one support person 'this is crazy cuz don't feel do depressed'. I usually get max 4-5hrs, max, w/o waking for a while.
The endo pretty much confirmed it by looking at my labs of 2009, my meds, my dxs, and well his suggestions re: treating it. My PCP and I are sort of in the dark about why he suggested I see an endocrinologist though. He was a hurried dr. There are only two endo offices in a large area.
PCP confirmed fibro. It began like feeling I'd fallen backwards into a tub of hot water, back on fire. Tried Savella but it paradoxed. So, still on all same pain meds and same anxiolytics and Effexor-XR. Just new is the pred*isone.
Pls route me to web site if you would.
Have you ever had a salty taste in your mouth?
I've been here but pc was doin' all sorts of odd things and wasn't sure if I was secure.
miss ya, 5f
Posted by Fivefires on January 27, 2010, at 1:46:01
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by tea on January 22, 2010, at 2:29:17
tea:
I was told to fast, so stopped consuming anything about midnight, drank some water only before morning test @ about 9a. Had a mint.
I posted dr didn't even check-off afternoon test on order sheet.
Another description of the 'salty taste' is a 'metallic taste'.
TY
5f
Posted by Fivefires on January 27, 2010, at 1:53:28
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by bleauberry on January 23, 2010, at 12:03:12
Bleauberry:
Did you repeat part of your first post? I get confused so easily.
I do understand you're saying I pretty much did not get the proper testing done, and it's very important to me no one pulls this on me. I may not be the most deserving person, certainly don't feel it often, but for goodness sake, my self was just wasting away and I've children.
I will see what I can do about the saliva test!?
Funny the endo didn't make mention of a saliva test.
Asked another responder here web site name.
Do you know if labs do the saliva test? And, I wonder if they're doing it for MRSA as well?
I don't know many drs who are big on the Internet, or, many who are big on you chosing your own route to a dx. One has told me to stay off the net.
Thanks again,
5f
Posted by bleauberry on January 27, 2010, at 18:09:40
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by Fivefires on January 27, 2010, at 1:53:28
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> I do understand you're saying I pretty much did not get the proper testing done, and it's verimportant to me no one pulls this on me.Well, this is arguable depending on who you talk to. There is not much agreement even from one doctor to another.
Keep in mind also, especially with Endo Specialists and the Infectious Disease Specialists, they follow rather rigid views which are a conglomerate of the involvement of insurance companies, lawsuits, CDC guidelines, and Board guidelines. Much of their God given creativity and wisdom is off limits for them to pursue even if they wanted to, due the convergence of these outside forces. Which is sad, because disease is very complicated. It cannot be made as rigid and simplistic as these big organizations of paper pushers make them appear.
For your kind of testing, the Integrative MDs, Alternative MDs, and Naturopaths have the most access and experience. They may or may not be your best option for actual treatment, but for sure will get you more thorough testing.
>I may not be the most deserving person, certainly don't feel it often..
I hope you don't mind if I bring God into the picture here, but that is exactly where Satan wants you to be stuck. He is the Great Deceiver and would love for you to feel undeserving. In the eyes of Jesus, you are completely deserving, as your own child would be in your eyes, even when they do wrong. A child may sing horribly, but to you it is wonderful sound. God sees you the same way.
>
> I will see what I can do about the saliva test!?Tea had good ideas. You might simply ask the Endo for 4 samples in a day, 6 hours apart. You are the paying customer after all. You are ultimately the boss. I had a doctor question me once, and I said, "It doesn't matter why I want it, I just do. You don't have to find anything interesting in it if you don't want to, but it would be helpful to me and I want to do it. I'm going to make my copay on the way out today, so you're all set. I just need the prescription and there is no downside or risk to you in doing this." I later found out through google searches there are several places online where you can order just about any test you want. Without doctor prescription for it though, insurance won't pay. That's the only downfall.
>
> Funny the endo didn't make mention of a saliva test.That isn't their normal mode of operation. Again, the rigid box they are in. Blood tests are fine. The important thing is to see the daily curve, not just one or two random points in a day.
Also to keep in mind is that regardless of what the tests show, that is not the problem. Low cortisol is not the problem. You'll feel better getting it treated, but still it is not the problem. Something else is the problem. Something else that caused the adrenal dysfunction. The cortisol dysfunction, if any, is a symptom of something else going on. The most common culprits I am aware of are unsuspected infectious diseases, especially if a diagnosis was made purely on the results of a lab test which have high error rates, candida, lead and/or mercury accumulation, and longterm SSRIs.
> Do you know if labs do the saliva test? And, I wonder if they're doing it for MRSA as well?
Based on anecdotal evidence in my own informal research, diagnosing MRSA is not that easy or accurate, as with most infectious diseases. The best treatment I've seen is actually natural...very high doses of garlic cloves or garlic supplements (not the deodorized ones).
>
> I don't know many drs who are big on the Internet, or, many who are big on you chosing your own route to a dx. One has told me to stay off the net.I'm sorry to hear that. Not uncommon. What is that? A show of ego? Arrogance? Fear? Threatened? Ignorance of the web? I mean, the web is like taking every large library on the planet and putting them all at your fingertips. Sometimes I think some doctors see themselves higher than they are, and do not want to be challenged.
The best doctors I've ever seen were the exact opposite. They were very interested in my own research. They admitted that in their busy practice, they don't have the time to keep up or to see what's happening around them.
As an example, two doctors thought I was nuts for asking to add Zyprexa to my Prozac. I showed them the first of a couple small clinical studies that showed promise with this combination. It had never been tried in my town and they had never heard of it, and I wasn't schizophrenic so no way were they going to give me an antipsychotic, and yes they told me to stay off the net. A third doctor found it very interesting, studied the clinical tests I brought him, and said yes let's try this. He and I enjoyed an almost 8 year successful relationship as I got much better very quickly on that combination.
From that point on, he always asked me what new was happening in the clinical research world. And, he had dozens of patients now on Prozac+Zyprexa. The SSRI+AP combo turned out to be one of his best winning strategies as a GP treating depression. And it all started with me and my internet research.
Those doctors who would have none of it, I don't think they are even in business any more, but it doesn't matter because I no longer wanted them. I am the paying customer and I appreciate cooperation and respect. It is not the doctor's job to look down upon me and judge what I read or don't read, what I study or don't study, or where I do it or don't do it.
Those kinds of doctors...run away as fast as you can. They are not good if healing is the goal.
Posted by Fivefires on January 27, 2010, at 19:35:25
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by bleauberry on January 27, 2010, at 18:09:40
Well Bleuberry you write very well, but I'm having a hard time concentrating on my health today. Another issue is at hand.
Although, I didn't understand the part about adrenal gland. It's my mind on something else. I'm sorry. Does the adrenal gland emit cortisol?
I understand better the Endo's 'don't get too close to the patient' feeling now.
I'm on a fixed income and definitely w/o an option of holistic or alternative care. But ... boy if I could, I would.
tks b,
5f
Posted by Fivefires on January 27, 2010, at 20:41:30
In reply to Cortisol fasting?, posted by tea on January 24, 2010, at 5:01:22
Tea I am sorry but feel I have accidentally missed your message. (Hope haven't missed anyone else.)
I've got to deal with another issue, quickly.
I am anxious to come back and read it.
Tks
5f
Posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2010, at 20:48:51
In reply to Re: Cortisol fasting?, posted by Fivefires on January 27, 2010, at 20:41:30
Five Fires I don't feel you have MRSA. Pretty sure of that what would lead you to believe or think that have you cut yourself and been exposed to germs in a hospital or public area? Please write me. Love Phillipa
Posted by tea on January 29, 2010, at 21:19:50
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by Fivefires on January 27, 2010, at 1:46:01
>
> Another description of the 'salty taste' is a 'metallic taste'.
>
I get a strong metallic taste with selenium if take even 25mcg tablet if highish, so do others? only a suggestion?
Iodine (tiny amount of diluted KI in mouth produced a real salty episode from saliva glands , lasted a while), another suggestion?
Posted by Fivefires on February 1, 2010, at 14:21:14
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by tea on January 22, 2010, at 2:29:17
> > Must I fast for a cortisol test?
> >
> morning cortisol blood test (if I recall right) is just crawl out of bed, don't drink, eat or even clean your teeth (probably wera your clothes to bed to save any effort), then get someone to drive you to blood test first thing on waking if possible (our test places open about 7.30AM), and get blood test about 7.30AM-8AM. then go home have brekkie etc. best if also get an aft test about 4PM to compare the two.
> Doing anything supposedly causes the blood cortisol to rise and you want to test if it is low on waking. if you could just test it in bed, even better! LOL That's from memory. It's tot tst if your sortisol rises naturally overnight as it should to OK levels or if not.But I took my meds and I took 10mg Prednisone???
> Afternoon does not have to be fasting. Gee my recall is poor, I think about 4PMish?So you agree to 4tests or 2tests a day?
> Hope this helps as to why they say that about the fasting.
>
What .. I'm scared and confused and sick? Is everyone telling me fasting is correct then?> Sorry I clean forget what the salty taste means... had it and now forget.. back in 2002-2203 ish
I have hot and cold body either hormones or bronchitis. Began months ago, but pcp didn't give me an antibiotic. I'm exhausted, so much don't know how get in shower or brush teeth. There is a life issue at hand that is causing me to feel unhappy. Fibromyalgia flared this morning. I feel SO ALONE IN THIS YOU ALL!
THANK YOU TEA AND EVERYONE. Wouldn't know what to do without you all.
5f
Posted by Fivefires on February 1, 2010, at 14:23:14
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by tea on January 29, 2010, at 21:19:50
> >
> > Another description of the 'salty taste' is a 'metallic taste'.
> >
> I get a strong metallic taste with selenium if take even 25mcg tablet if highish, so do others? only a suggestion?Why would you be taking selenium please?
> Iodine (tiny amount of diluted KI in mouth produced a real salty episode from saliva glands , lasted a while), another suggestion?
Why would you be taking extra iodine? Don't we get enough in salt. I've been craving salt and craving sweets.
tks again, 5f
Posted by Arrow on February 1, 2010, at 17:59:13
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste? » tea, posted by Fivefires on February 1, 2010, at 14:21:14
> > > Must I fast for a cortisol test?
> > >
> > morning cortisol blood test (if I recall right) is just crawl out of bed, don't drink, eat or even clean your teeth (probably wera your clothes to bed to save any effort), then get someone to drive you to blood test first thing on waking if possible (our test places open about 7.30AM), and get blood test about 7.30AM-8AM. then go home have brekkie etc. best if also get an aft test about 4PM to compare the two.
> > Doing anything supposedly causes the blood cortisol to rise and you want to test if it is low on waking. if you could just test it in bed, even better! LOL That's from memory. It's tot tst if your sortisol rises naturally overnight as it should to OK levels or if not.
>
> But I took my meds and I took 10mg Prednisone???
>
> > Afternoon does not have to be fasting. Gee my recall is poor, I think about 4PMish?
>
> So you agree to 4tests or 2tests a day?
>
> > Hope this helps as to why they say that about the fasting.
> >
> What .. I'm scared and confused and sick? Is everyone telling me fasting is correct then?
>
> > Sorry I clean forget what the salty taste means... had it and now forget.. back in 2002-2203 ish
>
> I have hot and cold body either hormones or bronchitis. Began months ago, but pcp didn't give me an antibiotic. I'm exhausted, so much don't know how get in shower or brush teeth. There is a life issue at hand that is causing me to feel unhappy. Fibromyalgia flared this morning. I feel SO ALONE IN THIS YOU ALL!
>
> THANK YOU TEA AND EVERYONE. Wouldn't know what to do without you all.
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> 5fTry Diagnos-Techs at www.diagnostechs.com for saliva testing. They have an Adrenal Stress Index that measures 4 cortisol tests. Saliva has been approved by the Endocrine Society for cortisol testing. You can get the testing through your physician. You may be suffering from Adrenal Fatigue.
Arrow
Posted by Deneb on February 5, 2010, at 3:03:06
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste?, posted by Arrow on February 1, 2010, at 17:59:13
Thanks for that information Arrow and welcome to Psycho-Babble!
I hope you stick around.
Deneb
Posted by Fivefires on February 7, 2010, at 0:36:29
In reply to Re: CFS! Lymes? CD? Cortisol fasting? Salty taste? » Arrow, posted by Deneb on February 5, 2010, at 3:03:06
Ditto on Deneb's thank you Arrow.
I'm having a problem with some identity fraud and have to stay offline a while. I apologize.
5f
Posted by Fivefires on February 13, 2010, at 13:43:38
In reply to Re: testing, posted by tea on January 24, 2010, at 17:04:36
No progress re: testing because too ill w/ only 2-3hrs of sleep and then maybe 2hrs more only if medicated, whole back on fire w/ what I guess is fibromyalgia and it has doubled my back pain and this has whittled my relief w/ oxycodone down to a mere 2hrs 4x a day and my days are 18-19hrs long -_-, severe hot/cold sweats w/o relief, fatigue crippling, withholding of validation by my nearest dearest support, withholding of any sleep med which does not cause muscle rigidity, a taper xanax down then to valium instead of xanax into valium, prior two prob' triggering some rejection or detachment fears exacerbating anxiety to more frequent panic, eating vegies and fruit, pushing water, out of vite-D for too long, no $ for prog/test cream not covered by insurance, broken car, and pressure to make decision about physical movement prob' increasing stress, and i know if something xanax is lowered it will trigger another SHUTD*WN. My mind and body can't take another, i don't think. Difficult .. haven't a pain specialist yet ! .. I been lookin' for one over 5freakin' yrs! I think I'm suffering withdrawal, in and out all the time. Been on same dosage of Perc*cet at 5+ yrs. Been on current xanax reg prob' 3 yrs. pdoc doesn't want to start Valium until down some on Xanax and it's NOT GONNA' WORK!!! I tried a couple days and now I am sooo much worse. I can't shower much less go anywhere for testing. A Medrol dosepak helped me to do dishes and after a rest am going to start on laundry.
tks to all iheartyouguys
5f
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