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Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila

Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 21, 2009, at 23:38:19

My neighbor just gave me a pint of Grand Marnier that I want to take to feel less anxious (Parnate + Adderall usually get me pretty anxious)and I have an old bottle of tequila in my apartment that sometimes I feel like having but I'm just a bit worried about whether the liquor can have a reaction with Parnate.

If anyone knows the answer, I'd appreciate your feedback.

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila Girlnterrupted78

Posted by Phillipa on December 22, 2009, at 0:02:09

In reply to Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 21, 2009, at 23:38:19

I don't know? I know tap beer is not supposed to be good? Better wait til you know for sure. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila

Posted by morganator on December 22, 2009, at 0:18:33

In reply to Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 21, 2009, at 23:38:19

I wouldn't use it. Don't you have better things to treat your anxiety with than grand marnier?

I'm pretty sure liquor/beer of any kind potentially reacts badly with an MAOI.

Yes, tap beer is more likely to give you a reaction, but all alcohol has the potential I believe.

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila morganator

Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 22, 2009, at 0:56:52

In reply to Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila, posted by morganator on December 22, 2009, at 0:18:33

I know there's better things to treat the anxiety, I just happen to be out of all of them at the moment. I'm seeing my doc later this week, but I'm also broke, so I'm not even sure I can afford the benzos. I'm literally broke.

So I went to my neighbor, who is also on all kinds of antidepressants, and she is out of benzos as well, but she said "take this" and gave me the Grand Marnier. I happen to like it, and if it doesn't react with MAOI, I'd even enjoy having a drink right now.. why not?

My doctor said to avoid red wine.. but didn't mention much about liquor, except to go easy on it.. but you never know if a specific type will do it.. that's what I'm trying to figure out.

Thanks anyway

> I wouldn't use it. Don't you have better things to treat your anxiety with than grand marnier?
>
> I'm pretty sure liquor/beer of any kind potentially reacts badly with an MAOI.
>
> Yes, tap beer is more likely to give you a reaction, but all alcohol has the potential I believe.

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila

Posted by willey on December 22, 2009, at 2:48:11

In reply to Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila morganator, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 22, 2009, at 0:56:52

You usualy can get away with a drink or two,however the reason someone should never say ok to ur question is if the chance of a interaction exsist,then it is crucial to know and unfortnalty avoid.I know one can easly test the maoi line,however if anyone hasent had a interaction yet,let me shed some light,


First you will notice a heavy feeling on ur chest.

Then a pain will start from ur neck to your head.

You will get a headache that is non responsive to aspirin.

Your head will pulsate,and u will feel very ill.

You will get totaly weak and the headache will prob be enough to have u call er.

The heache is not just a headache,an maoi interaction can cause a brain hemorage.

When this happened to me i had ti lietely push docs away who wanted to inject me with stuff,and beg the head doc to please google maois.

Finaly they stopped trying to inject me and i had cooling done with numerous ice packs,I awoke to a toxiclogist,who did know maois well,and after extreme cooling,lots of liquids,and activated charcaol i finaly began to come down.

The toxicoligst then repramanded me on knowing better to do what i did with mymoai.

My brother said he over heard the toxicologist on the phone saying i could have died.

The worst thing about this is when it happens it happens,there is no turning back,and u wish u could,but u r in for a horror ride.

I know what its like to feel u deserve a drink or two,and again most times u can,however id only even begin to say ok if the person has been on the maoi a while and can feel any interaction beforehand and take quick measures to resolve it.

A interaction once it starts,whether from insane mearsures of abuse,or to a minor drink or so is scary because again u can go back,its done,u now have to go forward with treatment from er which is pretty scary,and i promise u the head ache from an interaction feels like ur brain is gonna pop.


What i would recomend is as u said get on a good benzo,i also believe a benzo,mainly klonopin and gabpentin have a synergy,ive stated this many times,and the two togther seem to kill anxiety dead.

Last im not trying to be some better then u are poster,i have had a few drinks,however i now use ghb at night for social avoidance i have,as well as anxiety, and depression.

Unfortnaly even though ghb is legal,it carries its own dangers such as the legality issue,and the addiction issue.

Anyway i have no answer for u on yess or no,just wanted to shed some light on my situation,and i hope u get anxiet relieaf soon,be safe.

 

UPDATE: No reactions with Grand Marnier.

Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 22, 2009, at 2:53:46

In reply to Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 21, 2009, at 23:38:19

Just wanted to let you know there wasn't any reaction of any sort after taking about a shot of Grand Marnier while on 80mgs of Parnate + 15mgs Adderall and 50mgs of Nortriptyline.

I took the shot with 2 cups of coffee, so it was done slow and easy. And no feelings of any kinds except for the buzz that I was expecting.

For some strange reason, I seem to be able to eat a lot of "prohibited" stuff without problems..

I'm on 15g of adderall, without problems, I eat tempeh, without ever having a problem, and well, not sure if alcohol is an issue, but I also had it without problems.

I don't know what this means. All I know is that I'm such a bad case of treatment resistant, that who knows what my system can or cannot react to. It's like a mystery to me.

Thanks for the responses.

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila willey

Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 22, 2009, at 3:36:24

In reply to Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila, posted by willey on December 22, 2009, at 2:48:11

Well, thanks a lot for your detailed answer, willey. I know it might be a risk, but since my doctor gave me the "ok" for liquors, and I have 10+ nefidipine capsules with me, in addition to a blood pressure monitor, I figured... what's the worst that could happen with a shot? I had it and nothing happened, thank God.

I did have one time something that resembled a reaction. I knew it because I had an unbearable occipital headache that was pounding nonstop in the back of my neck and would not stop in over 30 minutes, and it was mighty painful.. I could not stop it no matter how I changed my position, until I finally twisted my head backwards, it sort of masked the pain, but soon enough it was back again. Horrible pain.

I had not eaten any prohibited foods (that I knew of), but I had just had a soy yogurt, (and I had my dose of Nardil after the food) so I thought maybe something in the yogurt had gone wrong.

After 15 minutes with the pain not going away, I went straight to the ER. By the time I got there and got seen (about 40 minutes from the time the pain started) the pain was almost gone or at least decreased a lot, and my BP was normal. Hmmmm.. false alarm?

Later, I think it was here at babble, that I discovered it had not been a food reaction, but rather an overdose. I was on 90mg of Nardil, which was too high for my height/weight. And sure enough, the next high dose I took, making sure not to take it with soy yogurt, but rather with rice milk.. (as I had become wary of soy)once again triggered the occipital pounding pain. This time I didn't go to the ER. I just waited. And it was fine after about 30 minutes of pain. At this time I knew that it came about after taking my Nardil dose.. and after someone confirmed on babble that it was on overdose, I went down to 70mgs and the occipital pains disappeared like magic, even after I continued to indulge in soy yogurts..

That's when I figured it wasn't a reaction.. I went down to 70mgs and it stopped. But at 70mgs still gave me some other reaction--excessive flushing of my chest and I'd fall asleep while typing in the computer.. very strange too..

I ended up at 60mgs of Nardil, the highest dose I could tolerate.

By the way, a question to you: what prohibited food(s) or drink(s) did you ingest to have that reaction? Sounds scary--did you not have nifedipine or any other pill available for emergencies?

Well, thanks a lot for the info (and your experience).. I guess I'm brave right now because I have the nifedipine pills and I was really having half a shot per cup of coffee, drinking slow.. didn't seem too dangerous. And I have my bp cuff right next to me in case something seems abnormal.. so that gave me confidence. And also the fact that my doctor Ok'ed liquor.. just like he ok'ed tempeh (which is fermented soy) and I had no problems at all even after indulging on tempeh.

Thanks again.

> You usualy can get away with a drink or two,however the reason someone should never say ok to ur question is if the chance of a interaction exsist,then it is crucial to know and unfortnalty avoid.I know one can easly test the maoi line,however if anyone hasent had a interaction yet,let me shed some light,
>
>
> First you will notice a heavy feeling on ur chest.
>
> Then a pain will start from ur neck to your head.
>
> You will get a headache that is non responsive to aspirin.
>
> Your head will pulsate,and u will feel very ill.
>
> You will get totaly weak and the headache will prob be enough to have u call er.
>
> The heache is not just a headache,an maoi interaction can cause a brain hemorage.
>
> When this happened to me i had ti lietely push docs away who wanted to inject me with stuff,and beg the head doc to please google maois.
>
> Finaly they stopped trying to inject me and i had cooling done with numerous ice packs,I awoke to a toxiclogist,who did know maois well,and after extreme cooling,lots of liquids,and activated charcaol i finaly began to come down.
>
> The toxicoligst then repramanded me on knowing better to do what i did with mymoai.
>
> My brother said he over heard the toxicologist on the phone saying i could have died.
>
> The worst thing about this is when it happens it happens,there is no turning back,and u wish u could,but u r in for a horror ride.
>
> I know what its like to feel u deserve a drink or two,and again most times u can,however id only even begin to say ok if the person has been on the maoi a while and can feel any interaction beforehand and take quick measures to resolve it.
>
> A interaction once it starts,whether from insane mearsures of abuse,or to a minor drink or so is scary because again u can go back,its done,u now have to go forward with treatment from er which is pretty scary,and i promise u the head ache from an interaction feels like ur brain is gonna pop.
>
>
> What i would recomend is as u said get on a good benzo,i also believe a benzo,mainly klonopin and gabpentin have a synergy,ive stated this many times,and the two togther seem to kill anxiety dead.
>
> Last im not trying to be some better then u are poster,i have had a few drinks,however i now use ghb at night for social avoidance i have,as well as anxiety, and depression.
>
> Unfortnaly even though ghb is legal,it carries its own dangers such as the legality issue,and the addiction issue.
>
> Anyway i have no answer for u on yess or no,just wanted to shed some light on my situation,and i hope u get anxiet relieaf soon,be safe.

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila

Posted by manic666 on December 22, 2009, at 6:08:56

In reply to Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila willey, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 22, 2009, at 3:36:24

buddy when 10 ativan did no good , i took a slug of brandy it felt great,then another slug ,only they got bigger till was a litre , an then anxierty is a major major issue ,the litre brandy stops working ,you carnt drink 2 your dead in a month.stick to a few beers till you can get meds then ditch the beer,

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila

Posted by willey on December 22, 2009, at 12:14:56

In reply to Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila willey, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 22, 2009, at 3:36:24

Well i remeber this was at a period of time where parnate had stopped working and i was trying prefusly to quick start it again,one after weeks of downtime i became frustrated,and in no way on purpose i went to far in a day,disgusted on parnates lack of effeictvness on this day i took too many trials moving from slow tiration up to just taking a extra amount,i also did the same with a few other meds i was taking.

This alone was not uncommon,in my quest to reamp parnate i was trying what i had to work with to get some sort of spark again,but this day i just played sloppy,then i had pizza,which again is part of ordianry things i still eat,but on that night it was the straw that broke the camels back.

My father uses beta blockers for his heart so i took when of them thinking it would help,and it also just worsened my headache,finaly i was scared,and had asked to have er come which i never do.

The worst part aside the pain was the er and hospital,in the ambulance i had a 17 yr old kid constantly sating as i was barly consious that i was having an allergic reactin too pizza,and everytime i mumbled in pain to him it was not that the more the kid yell it on the walkie talkie.

I wanted to pass out but i held on long enough to make sure the staff knew what was happening,and it still sounds funny to me that i had to actualy beg the head doc to google maois untill they stopped,then i finaly was able to put my head down and pass out.

As reandomly awoke in and out i was handed the worst drink which was activated charcoal which i now finaly obtained,the same form of hospital grade not store supplemtn grade.

I also awoke finaly with ice all over me and a toxicogist there,he could not be mistaken as he had a big bright RED TAG on him.He was the only person in the hospital who knew about maois,and he went over with me what happened and seemed to be angry with me.

Ok aside from all this,when i did have occasional drinks,id stick with a ordinary screw driver,and usualy was fine,the few times it did seem wrong what i noticed first was my body tempurture raise, then red spots on my neck,luckly this always provdided me time to take action.


After all this i now respect my maoi,i know my posts may not project it but one would have to no me to see this,i feel safe on parnate now and i dont drink any more,however sadly i use what i read in many books which is ghb,which used spargingly and responsable is simplply a gaba molecule attatched to a carrier of sodium hydroxide,it metabolizes to water and raises gaba b among other things,it is a nuero protective agent.

But as i stated in a few posts today prior,natural doesent mean safe,and not to be confused with date rape a two bit quack ghb still holds a lot of danger,it is extremy potent at the mg dose,so knowing it like your hand is a must,it also can be very addictive and has legality issues.

The doc who introduced it to the world is the one and same who did so with thorazine,and is known as the person who made the world change of finaly giving mental institutions a sceond option to barberic procedures and actualy for the first time begin to send people home.

He was certain that between gaba and doapmine lay many treatments to mood.

I look for alternatives constantly to replace this gaba effect which parnate doesent address or benzos,it is the beer affect of treating social avoidace,anger rage,social anxiety in terms of social forwadness,and so on.

Latetest attempt is camprel a drug that increases gaba and blocks glutamate,so far the drug has had no effect bad or good.

Sorry for the ramble hope in it i addressed all your questions.

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila

Posted by Justherself54 on December 22, 2009, at 16:32:03

In reply to Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila willey, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on December 22, 2009, at 3:36:24

There is an old saying, "you play with the bull, you get the horn". If you are going to take a MAOI, or any medication for that matter, please take the time to do some extensive research. I would advise anyone taking a MAOI to wear a medic alert bracelet. They are called the "big guns" for a reason, so if they work for you, at least play by their rules.

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila

Posted by willey on December 22, 2009, at 17:14:01

In reply to Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila, posted by Justherself54 on December 22, 2009, at 16:32:03

> There is an old saying, "you play with the bull, you get the horn". If you are going to take a MAOI, or any medication for that matter, please take the time to do some extensive research. I would advise anyone taking a MAOI to wear a medic alert bracelet. They are called the "big guns" for a reason, so if they work for you, at least play by their rules.

I did,in fact i even called glaxco and was passed on to a "tech" who did nothing more then read me what the data sheet reads.

Ive studied the med intensly the entire five years i was on it,i even have articles on the sole chemicst who designed it and then sold it to glaxco,which is why glaxco knows so little since i was not orignated by them.

i have in file tons of pharmoclogy articles on the drug,tons of user experiances going back five years,i know of all the different brands such as gold shields in the uk.

I know when it was reformulated and so on.

I took it cause i had failed on ssris two times around,and parnate is my only option as a primary anti depressant,so when it failed i had no choice to use strategys to potentiate it.

No i could not turn to docs because most docs will take u off in a heartbeat and very few will work on augmenting a maoi.

Also to believe that docs themselves never prescribe what sometimes end up to be bad combos to patients making them ill would be wrong.

I dont appreciate you play with the bull comment,while i dont seek any form of sympahty or compassion here,i am here to discuss meds,i do also however expect not to have hurtful comments aimed at serious stiations that i have endured and posted in the open to benifit people.

> There is an old saying, "you play with the bull, you get the horn".

I dont play with maois,and if you read any post of mine you would know i always state to respect maois,also to refer to a dramtic experiance in my life with something like you get the horn i find to be a cold comment.

If you are going to take a MAOI, or any medication for that matter, please take the time to do some extensive research.


I dont appreciate you implying i havent,as i stated i have done extensive research on my med and many others,to assume that i would or have not done extenisve research is a poor statment.


I would advise anyone taking a MAOI to wear a medic alert bracelet. They are called the "big guns" for a reason, so if they work for you, at least play by their rules.


Wearing a braclet is absurd,its not a patients fault that they have to literaly fight off hospital staff due to lack of knowledge,they are the proffesonals.I will say carrying some form of id that you are on one is a good idea.

It might seem trival to be upset by this post,but when someone posts the comment about the bull,its kinda the same as saying well you pushed and you got what u had comming by doing so.

I did not post my dramtic experiance to hear comments such as that,im aware of what i did,and it was a mistake,and i post it so others dont,not to be insulted,and even after that i still never had any intentions on leaving the med.

I found your post to be in a way informing me on maoi saftey,this insults me because i have extensive knowledge on them,i only post here to them cause its what i know,if im wrong in how i took your post then i apologize but its how it made me feel,but please dont let the fact i made a mistake lead you to believe i dont respect maois or spent hours upon hours learning them

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila willey

Posted by Justherself54 on December 22, 2009, at 20:56:12

In reply to Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila, posted by willey on December 22, 2009, at 17:14:01

If my comment upset you, I apologize. However, I did not address my post to you directly, just as a general caution.

Even in the best of circumstances where all the rules of MAOI's are applied, things can and do go wrong. This is my opinion and I feel I have a right to voice it. I have been on two MAOI's, fully supported by my doctor. I've also had a stay in the ER where the emergency doctors knew exactly what to do.

I also simply stated that I believe wearing a medical alert bracelet is a prudent thing to do. I felt more secure wearing mine. I thought that at minimum if I was not coherent, it may well save my life. That is my opinion and once again I feel I have the right to voice it.

I have refrained from posting on the medication board for exactly this reason. My comment was not meant to be hurtful..just for people to be careful and I ended up getting a response that was, in my opinion, uncalled for.

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila Justherself54

Posted by emmanuel98 on December 22, 2009, at 22:27:31

In reply to Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila willey, posted by Justherself54 on December 22, 2009, at 20:56:12

I want to thank you for your post. Parnate pulled me out of a horrible, life-threatening depression last summer and I was very careful at first. But lately, I've been careless, eating a slice of pepperoni pizza, sprinkling parmesan cheese on pasta. No ill effects, so far. But it's good to be reminded that MAOI's are the "big guns" and need to be taken seriously. No more parmesan cheese for me.

So thank you for the reminder and please don't stop posting.

> If my comment upset you, I apologize. However, I did not address my post to you directly, just as a general caution. > > Even in the best of circumstances where all the rules of MAOI's are applied, things can and do go wrong. This is my opinion and I feel I have a right to voice it. I have been on two MAOI's, fully supported by my doctor. I've also had a stay in the ER where the emergency doctors knew exactly what to do.> > I also simply stated that I believe wearing a medical alert bracelet is a prudent thing to do. I felt more secure wearing mine. I thought that at minimum if I was not coherent, it may well save my life. That is my opinion and once again I feel I have the right to voice it.> > I have refrained from posting on the medication board for exactly this reason. My comment was not meant to be hurtful..just for people to be careful and I ended up getting a response that was, in my opinion, uncalled for.

 

Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila emmanuel98

Posted by Justherself54 on December 22, 2009, at 22:36:40

In reply to Re: Does liquor react with MAOI? Grand Marnier/Tequila Justherself54, posted by emmanuel98 on December 22, 2009, at 22:27:31

Thank you so much for your response. It means a lot to me.


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