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Posted by detroitpistons on February 24, 2009, at 20:37:03
I was prescribed 15 mg of Remeron for sleep. I can usually get by taking 7.5 mg. Ever since I started taking it, I feel like I'm in a fog. I'm more forgetful and I just do dumb things. It's harder to think clearly. I thought this would pass after a few days, but it hasn't. I've been taking it now for about a month. I'm taking classes right now, and I believe this has hurt me a bit on a couple tests. I take adderall. That definitely helps, but it doesn't completely take away the problem.
Anyone experience this? I have an appointment in a couple weeks and I'm definitely going to ask for something else.
Posted by Neal on February 25, 2009, at 0:03:52
In reply to Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog, posted by detroitpistons on February 24, 2009, at 20:37:03
Remeron, while helping with sleep, is primarily an anti-depressant, so it doesn't "clear" from your body quickly, i.e., it stays with you, even around the clock, depending on your body chemistry etc.
Don't discontinue by yourself, as it is an AD and you may experience a lowered mood. If you do want to stop wait till your appt. Then talk to your doctor.
How did it work for sleep?
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Posted by detroitpistons on February 25, 2009, at 7:14:58
In reply to Re: Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog, posted by Neal on February 25, 2009, at 0:03:52
It works for sleep. Then again, I still feel kinda tired during the day, especially during the first week or so.
> Remeron, while helping with sleep, is primarily an anti-depressant, so it doesn't "clear" from your body quickly, i.e., it stays with you, even around the clock, depending on your body chemistry etc.
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> Don't discontinue by yourself, as it is an AD and you may experience a lowered mood. If you do want to stop wait till your appt. Then talk to your doctor.
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> How did it work for sleep?
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Posted by raisinb on February 25, 2009, at 11:35:21
In reply to Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog, posted by detroitpistons on February 24, 2009, at 20:37:03
I experienced the same problem on Remeron. It actually added to my depression. If it hasn't gone away after a month, then I'd say ask for something else from your pdoc.
There are lots of excellent sleep aids out there that don't (at least for me) cause that problem. Ambien and Lunesta, if they work, and benzos (I take small amounts of Xanax and Lunesta right now) and it works like a charm.
Posted by detroitpistons on February 25, 2009, at 12:53:55
In reply to Re: Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog » detroitpistons, posted by raisinb on February 25, 2009, at 11:35:21
I LOOOOVE Xanax for that reason. I don't always have insomnia. There are periods of time where I sleep like a rock, and actually have a hard time getting out of bed. Then I go through periods of time where I have a tough time falling asleep and staying asleep....I'm probably going to try taking nothing this weekend to see if I'm over this little speed bump.
But back to the Xanax, it's perfect for those times when you wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep. It only lasts for a few hours and I feel perfectly fine when I wake up, even if I take it at 3 am. You can't take any other drug (that I know of) in the middle of the night and still wake up fine like that. It's not something I want to make a habit of, but it's a great standby for those "emergency" situations in the middle of the night. I occasionally take it before bed if I know I'm going to have a tough time falling asleep, but I became dependent on it for sleep several years ago, so I'm more careful now and I use it more sparingly. Xanax sleep is just so good and peaceful. It's salvaged many days for me, because if I don't get enough sleep, I'm completely worthless and getting through the day is complete torture. I'm out of Xanax right now:(
> I experienced the same problem on Remeron. It actually added to my depression. If it hasn't gone away after a month, then I'd say ask for something else from your pdoc.
>
> There are lots of excellent sleep aids out there that don't (at least for me) cause that problem. Ambien and Lunesta, if they work, and benzos (I take small amounts of Xanax and Lunesta right now) and it works like a charm.
Posted by Neal on February 25, 2009, at 13:42:30
In reply to Re: Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog » raisinb, posted by detroitpistons on February 25, 2009, at 12:53:55
motor city,
Remeron is actually quite good with sleep. Everybody is different so don't give it up without a good try. Benzos are the heavy artillery for sleep, but they are addicting, and quite hard to get off, esp. the longer acting ones.
you might check the earlier thread about gabapentin. It is also a sleep aide (off label) and clears the body quickly.
Posted by detroitpistons on February 25, 2009, at 13:56:20
In reply to Re: Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog, posted by Neal on February 25, 2009, at 13:42:30
I hear ya. I'm very careful with Xanax. I only take it for sleep once in a while, and I usually only take 0.25 mg, which is tiny.
I had taken trazodone once, and that worked pretty well, but there was quite an interesting side effect in the beginning...I won't get into specifics. The other weird thing about trazadone was that it absolutely did not work unless I took it with food. Now, a lot of drugs say "take with food," but a lot of that is just to prevent upset stomach. Like clockwork, if I took trazodone on an empty stomach, it was as if I had taken nothing at all. I figured this out and then started eating something with it. It would usually just be something small like a granola bar, and that would be enough....However, at the expense of sounding like a whiner, it was just kind of a pain having to do that every time I wanted to go to sleep.
> motor city,
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> Remeron is actually quite good with sleep. Everybody is different so don't give it up without a good try. Benzos are the heavy artillery for sleep, but they are addicting, and quite hard to get off, esp. the longer acting ones.
>
> you might check the earlier thread about gabapentin. It is also a sleep aide (off label) and clears the body quickly.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 1, 2009, at 20:48:15
In reply to Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog, posted by detroitpistons on February 24, 2009, at 20:37:03
lousy quality of sleep is what it is
Posted by Neal on March 3, 2009, at 17:55:50
In reply to Re: Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog » Neal, posted by detroitpistons on February 25, 2009, at 13:56:20
detroit,
that "interesting side-effect" you talk about connected with Trazadone. Would it perhaps be something we connect with being a 18-year-old male, by any chance?
Posted by detroitpistons on March 3, 2009, at 18:08:42
In reply to Re: Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog » detroitpistons, posted by Neal on March 3, 2009, at 17:55:50
> detroit,
>
> that "interesting side-effect" you talk about connected with Trazadone. Would it perhaps be something we connect with being a 18-year-old male, by any chance?
Yes, you got it!
Posted by zzzz7 on April 17, 2009, at 2:21:22
In reply to Re: Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog, posted by detroitpistons on March 3, 2009, at 18:08:42
Trazodone turns you into an 18-year-old male? I didn't see this on the packet insert...
Posted by VIncent_QC on April 17, 2009, at 8:22:38
In reply to Re: Remeron for sleep - Perpetual brain fog » Neal, posted by detroitpistons on February 25, 2009, at 13:56:20
> Remeron is actually quite good with sleep. Everybody is different so don't give it up without a good try. Benzos are the heavy artillery for sleep, but they are addicting, and quite hard to get off, esp. the longer acting ones.
> >
> > you might check the earlier thread about gabapentin. It is also a sleep aide (off label) and clears the body quickly.
>
>Like I always say, everyone is different!!!
Long acting benzo are not WORST...in a certain way, they are more good because you don't feel the crave for them 2 hours after taking a dose... Short half-life are A WAY more ADDICTING then the long acting ones... Xanax can get you addicted in less time than 1 week...and I have a lot of doubt about the "efficacity of 0.25mg to help to sleep"!!! In fact, the benzo who make me more sleepy is the Valium, in my experience, not good to prevent the panic attack or for social anxiety or general anxiety...but when you jump into the Valium it's because it will be more easy to decrease the daily dose you take and withdrawh it... they do them in 2mg format pill...0.5 mg of Xanax = 10mg of Valium...0.25 = 5 mg of Valium... Try to cut a 0.25 pill of Xanax to do the withdrawh, you will see what i'm talking about... The Valium in 2 mg pill if perfect, you can cut it in 4 pieces...make the withdraw more easy... the rules, 1 mg cut every week...it can be long if you take 20mg at first but that's worth the try...
Remeron... mixed feeling about it... weight gain...a lot of nightmares... horrible dizness feeling in the morning... the more highg is your dosage, the less good you will sleep on it. 7,5mg help to sleep more than 15mg ...more than 30mg don't help to sleep and make you tired the day after...45mg is totally unecessary, 60mg make you tired and energic at the same time... I still don't like the Remeron at all, especially as a sleep agent...
Trazodone can help but is the worst in my experience for induce sleep...the day after is horrible...
I'm taking 50mg of Seroquel now to induce sleep... Work great the first month, start to loose power after 1 month, now i'm thinking about increase it to 75mg, maybe 100mg... At this dosage, like d/r write, the Seroquel don't affect the weight gain or worse the anxiety because of the DA action of this med...
For the Gabapentin, I don't know why people see it as a good choice for inducing sleeping... Seriously, I take it at the maximum dosage for 3 months (3600mg/day) with 8mg of Rivotril and I was a lot active at the time... I never felt any sedation from it...in fact, apart the numb effect everywhere on my body, the Gabapentin do nothing on me. LYRICA , who is a more long half-life kind of Gabapentin, is MORE good to induce sleep!!! One 50mg of it can make you needed to find your bed the more fast you can and jump into it!!!
Thats my experience... and I also found that any meds who help to induce sleep, make the quality of sleep less good... Sometimes I wonder if a 3 hours of sleep without anything is not better than 5 hours with the Seroquel...
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