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Posted by seldomseen on January 10, 2009, at 5:43:58
In reply to OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP, posted by Cseagraves on January 9, 2009, at 18:15:00
Trazodone is actually my sleep aid of choice. I do take 100 mg, but started with 50. I find it to be a sleep bomb for me.
I don't feel hungover the next day, but, with it on board, I usually sleep 8-10 hours. I would definately advise against taking it when you have to get up in 4 or 5 hours or so.
I do get side effects from it. I get a stuffy (and by stuffy I mean closed) nose, and occasionally the combination of trazadone and prozac gives me night sweats. It also increases my appetite. I manage these by a dose of nasal spray prior to sleep, keeping a fan on at night, and eating as much as I can :).
In some men, priapism can be a profound and serious problem, but I'm female.
Although, I believe there is a metabolite of trazodone that has been associated with psychotic symptoms, I've never had problems with it in that regard.
I hope you get some rest.
Seldom.
Posted by bleauberry on January 10, 2009, at 13:45:49
In reply to OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP, posted by Cseagraves on January 9, 2009, at 18:15:00
Trazodone 25mg was pretty strong to me. It didn't have the knockout power of say Seroquel, but it was potent enough and did have a mild hangover thing in the morning. The lethargy the next day lasted all the way up until evening time. It felt to me like a kind of side effect that would go away in about 2 weeks if I continued. I was just sampling it though.
100mg. You said it best...OMG. 25mg to 50mg seems the norm. I have also heard of people splitting pills and doing just 12.5mg. Some even start at 6.25mg or 12.5mg. You just have to feel it out.
If it is intended as your primary med, I wouldn't put much faith in it. If it is intended for sleep, it stands a good chance of working, since that is what it is usually prescribed for.
Posted by Sissy35 on January 10, 2009, at 15:02:03
In reply to OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP, posted by Cseagraves on January 9, 2009, at 18:15:00
I took trazodone for many yrs and never went above 50mg, most of the time I only took 25mgs I can't imagine what 200mg would be like.
I had little to no side effects from it. It just helped to control my aniexty. Put me to sleep fast also.
But 200mg I don't know what the sides would be.sissy35
Posted by Phillipa on January 10, 2009, at 19:19:05
In reply to Re: OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP » Cseagraves, posted by Sissy35 on January 10, 2009, at 15:02:03
I used to work with a pdoc that used trazadone for her own sleep. Since she was on unit early each morning assuming she didn't feel hung over no idea what her dose was. Phillipa ps says something if a pdoc takes it also
Posted by JadeKelly on January 11, 2009, at 12:00:13
In reply to Jade-earlier post, posted by Cseagraves on January 9, 2009, at 22:33:06
Hey Courtney,
Glad to see you don't waste any time! So Trazadone it is? Let me know what dose you settle on and how you feel on it. What did Doc say about how long? Are you taking anything with it? Well I'm curious, so keep me posted! Just make sure my name is on post and I should get it! I want to hear more about what you do for your Gyn problems. Are they balanced out with meds? I'll check previous post see if its there.
Good Luck, talk soon!
~Jade
Posted by Sissy35 on January 11, 2009, at 15:40:11
In reply to OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP, posted by Cseagraves on January 9, 2009, at 18:15:00
I am glad to hear you are doing well on trazodone. It was a good drug for me for many years. It was a long time ago, before it was used for sleep. At that time it was for people like me who had anxiety disorders.
wish you all the best and keep us posted.
Sissy35
Posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2009, at 19:41:30
In reply to Re: OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP » Cseagraves, posted by Sissy35 on January 11, 2009, at 15:40:11
Really? Well no wonder used for sleep then. Heard not a great antidpressant is this true? Love Phillipa
Posted by Sissy35 on January 11, 2009, at 20:40:49
In reply to Re: OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP » Sissy35, posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2009, at 19:41:30
I never used it as an antidepressent so I don't know. I used it for anxiety attacks and it did help those. You got to remember I am an old ^&** so I have been at this for at least 150yrs LOL.
But yes it is antidepressent and was't used as a sleep aid until the SSRIs came around. It was also hoped to increase the effectiveness of the SSRIs.Sissy35
Posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2009, at 20:55:56
In reply to Re: OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP » Phillipa, posted by Sissy35 on January 11, 2009, at 20:40:49
Sissy thanks didn't know about the helping other ad's. I'm older than you!!!!! Love Phillipa
Posted by Cseagraves on January 11, 2009, at 23:01:57
In reply to Re: Jade-earlier post » Cseagraves, posted by JadeKelly on January 11, 2009, at 12:00:13
Jade-
Started using bio-identical hormones about a year ago ( the cream kind that you rub on) but after some blood work a couple of months ago, it seems that my body will not absorb these through the skin. (Might explain why something in my system doesn't build up resistance to meds).Had to start taking them by mouth before I could see that they were finally starting to work. Will be having more blood work done at the end of January to see if the are coming up. I am hoping that if I can get them back to a normal level, that it will help with the anxiety and depression also. But my gyn says this is going to be a battle since my body seems resistant to stuff.
The only thing I can figure is that I'm a vegetrain (mostly)> I try to eat a diet of 70% to 80% raw. And I do a detox/cleanse every month. So who knows. Maybe I flush everything out and that might be why I stay resistant and sensitive to stuff.
Talk to you soon!!!
Courtney
Posted by desolationrower on January 12, 2009, at 1:01:18
In reply to Re: OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP » Sissy35, posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2009, at 19:41:30
> Really? Well no wonder used for sleep then. Heard not a great antidpressant is this true? Love Phillipa
its just not very useful because its so sedating by the time you take enough to act as an antidepressant.
-d/r
Posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 10:18:30
In reply to Re: Jade-earlier post, posted by Cseagraves on January 11, 2009, at 23:01:57
> Jade-
> Started using bio-identical hormones about a year ago ( the cream kind that you rub on) but after some blood work a couple of months ago, it seems that my body will not absorb these through the skin. (Might explain why something in my system doesn't build up resistance to meds).
>
> Had to start taking them by mouth before I could see that they were finally starting to work. Will be having more blood work done at the end of January to see if the are coming up. I am hoping that if I can get them back to a normal level, that it will help with the anxiety and depression also. But my gyn says this is going to be a battle since my body seems resistant to stuff.
>
> The only thing I can figure is that I'm a vegetrain (mostly)> I try to eat a diet of 70% to 80% raw. And I do a detox/cleanse every month. So who knows. Maybe I flush everything out and that might be why I stay resistant and sensitive to stuff.
>
> Talk to you soon!!!
>
> CourtneyHi Courtney,
I was a vegetarian for ten years. Will you hold off on the cleanse while being medicated? I've never done that, but am interested in how you feel when they straighten out your hormones. What do you think you'll be taking? The usual thyriod and estrogen, or something else?
~Jade
>
Posted by Cseagraves on January 12, 2009, at 11:19:46
In reply to Re: OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP, posted by desolationrower on January 12, 2009, at 1:01:18
D/R-
If you are referring to remeron, it's kind of odd for me. I decided to take my little dose of remeron with a zanax last night and slept like a baby. Split the 15 mg in half this morning, and so far I feel fine. Not sedated, just calm. No anxiety so far. For some, because we all agree that everyone responds differently to meds, at a higher dose it could possibly make someone feel more sedated.
But from what I read about remeron, its one of those meds that takes some tweaking to get it right. I've read reviews about zoloft making people feel sedated, which I found odd because when I took it a some years ago,(actually it was the first med I ever took and was able to stay on it for years before it pooped)it never made me feel that way.
Thats why I mentioned what that doctor wrote about mixing it with something like wellbutrin sr, which gives you more energy and has its own anti-anxietal proprties and they balance each other out.
Still playing with, but will let you know.
Courtney :-)
Posted by Cseagraves on January 12, 2009, at 11:45:54
In reply to Re: Jade-earlier post » Cseagraves, posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 10:18:30
Jade,
Hey!
My thyroid test have always come back fine. I have been taking progesterone and estadiol by mouth for about 6 months. Over the last couple of months I have seen some improvement (my hair, skin) and hope they keep improving.
Something to keep in mind. When your body isn't producing the addequate amount of hormones, then your addrenal glands will kick in and try to produce them, which is really not their job. So this stresses out the body because your adrenals are not doing the work they are supposed to. This can lead to a whole load of different problems, including thyroid problems.
My body went into extreme addrenal fatique, but luckily my thyroid wasn't effected. I had to jump into action and reverse the process, but it has been a long and slow process. That's one of the reasons I stopped heavy exercise. Doc said that when you are in addrenal stress, then your body is already stressed and you end up doing more harm to yourself than good by putting the added stress on yourself physically. It never has time to repair. I could go walking, but had to stop running and weight training.
When you get some time, look up "addrenal fatique syndrome" and let me know if you think some of the symptoms might apply to you.
I try to do a detox/cleanse at least one or every two months regardless of meds just to look after my liver and other organs.
Let me know!!!
Courtney
Posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 12:26:59
In reply to Re: Jade-earlier post, posted by Cseagraves on January 12, 2009, at 11:45:54
> Jade,
>
> Hey!
>
> My thyroid test have always come back fine. I have been taking progesterone and estadiol by mouth for about 6 months. Over the last couple of months I have seen some improvement (my hair, skin) and hope they keep improving.
>
> Something to keep in mind. When your body isn't producing the addequate amount of hormones, then your addrenal glands will kick in and try to produce them, which is really not their job. So this stresses out the body because your adrenals are not doing the work they are supposed to. This can lead to a whole load of different problems, including thyroid problems.
>
> My body went into extreme addrenal fatique, but luckily my thyroid wasn't effected. I had to jump into action and reverse the process, but it has been a long and slow process. That's one of the reasons I stopped heavy exercise. Doc said that when you are in addrenal stress, then your body is already stressed and you end up doing more harm to yourself than good by putting the added stress on yourself physically. It never has time to repair. I could go walking, but had to stop running and weight training.
>
> When you get some time, look up "addrenal fatique syndrome" and let me know if you think some of the symptoms might apply to you.
>
> I try to do a detox/cleanse at least one or every two months regardless of meds just to look after my liver and other organs.
>
> Let me know!!!
>
> Courtney
>
>
>Thanks Courtney,I could kick myself sometimes for not having those tests done a long time ago. I was under an extreme amount of stress for quite a while. I can't imagine something didn't go into over drive! I'll get on that. Thanks for the info.
~Jade
>
ps-Improved skin and hair? We need to talk. Is there a beauty board? haha.
Posted by Cseagraves on January 12, 2009, at 19:26:55
In reply to Re: Jade-earlier post » Cseagraves, posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 12:26:59
I forgot to mention this earlier to everyone who responded to this post.
One of the other things I studied up on was our bodies PH balance. STRESS can also cause our ph levels to be highly acidic. The way to test this is to find you some ph balance urine test strips. I usually find them on line under www.ph-ion.com. Read the pamphlet that comes with it and do some studying on it on-line.
Dr. Robert Young, who wrote several books on this (the PH miracle is one)goes into great detail about being to acidic can screw us up royally. It makes sense that our bodies are more prone to diseases (cancer, auto-immune disease such as fibromyalgia, MS, etc.) when levels are not balanced.
Although my diet is around 80% raw, I don't follow his to a tee. Alot of the foods he incorporates into his diet I don't like, but trying to follow it as closely as you can will help. (And you will lose weight as an added benefit)
My acidic levels were down to below 4.5 when I started, which is not good. So I stick to my diet and drink about a 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda mixed with 6 ounces of water everyday (in the beginning, now I do it every other day). Sodium bicarbonate will help to raise your PH levels.
Your ph levels need to stay within a 6.75 to 7.25 range. It's funny, around 2 hours after I drink that mixture, my ph levels are within a normal range. But I can at least keep them normal for a couple of days in a row now verses them dropping dramatically everyday.
A good detox product to use, if you want, is called MAX GXL. You can get info about it on-line, but I order mine from e-bay. It's alot cheaper there. It has alot of good detox values along with other nutrients that help your body heal.
Just some info I thought I would throw out there.
It seems that between unbalanced hormones, medicines, stress, diet, adrenal fatigue and ph balances, we're just screwed huh? LOL!!!
Let me know if this helps anyone.
Courtney
Posted by Cseagraves on January 13, 2009, at 11:54:52
In reply to More info everyone should know!!!, posted by Cseagraves on January 12, 2009, at 19:26:55
I forgot to mention this earlier to everyone who responded to this post.
One of the other things I studied up on was our bodies PH balance. STRESS can also cause our ph levels to be highly acidic. The way to test this is to find you some ph balance urine test strips. I usually find them on line under www.ph-ion.com. Read the pamphlet that comes with it and do some studying on it on-line.
Dr. Robert Young, who wrote several books on this (the PH miracle is one)goes into great detail about being to acidic can screw us up royally. It makes sense that our bodies are more prone to diseases (cancer, auto-immune disease such as fibromyalgia, MS, etc.) when levels are not balanced.
Although my diet is around 80% raw, I don't follow his to a tee. Alot of the foods he incorporates into his diet I don't like, but trying to follow it as closely as you can will help. (And you will lose weight as an added benefit)
My acidic levels were down to below 4.5 when I started, which is not good. So I stick to my diet and drink about a 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda mixed with 6 ounces of water everyday (in the beginning, now I do it every other day). Sodium bicarbonate will help to raise your PH levels.
Your ph levels need to stay within a 6.75 to 7.25 range. It's funny, around 2 hours after I drink that mixture, my ph levels are within a normal range. But I can at least keep them normal for a couple of days in a row now verses them dropping dramatically everyday.
A good detox product to use, if you want, is called MAX GXL. You can get info about it on-line, but I order mine from e-bay. It's alot cheaper there. It has alot of good detox values along with other nutrients that help your body heal.
Just some info I thought I would throw out there.
It seems that between unbalanced hormones, medicines, stress, diet, adrenal fatigue and ph balances, we're just screwed huh? LOL!!!
Let me know if this helps anyone.
Courtney
Posted by seldomseen on January 15, 2009, at 5:43:27
In reply to More info everyone should know!!!, posted by Cseagraves on January 12, 2009, at 19:26:55
The pH of what? Blood, urine?
Seldom
Posted by Cseagraves on January 15, 2009, at 12:45:37
In reply to Re: More info everyone should know!!! » Cseagraves, posted by seldomseen on January 15, 2009, at 5:43:27
Hi Seldom,
You need to get urine ph strips. You just hold them under your flow of urine when you pee. When you order the box of strips, there is a chart of colors that will tell you what what level you are at.
In the beginning mine was below the 4.5 range (considered to be dangerous level). Stress, anxiety, panic, medicines (like we take) and a whole range if other illness and diseases can stem from our bodies being to acidic.
I couldn't understand why my skin would always burn everytime I would sweat. It was because my body had become so acidic, that my swaet was like acid. My sister, who's results came back very acidic, has patches of yeast infections all over her skin.
I can say that since I have been able to get it under control (staying between a range of 6.75 and 7.25) I feel a whole lot better.
Think about it this way. Go back 60 years ago and before, when peoples diets usually consisted of home grown veggies, alot of raw fruits and veggies, meat that wasn't treated with chemicals, we didn't use alot of perservatives and eat hydrogenized foods (we rarely heard about auto-immune diseases, such as fibromyalsia and MS, cancers, heart disease).
Like I said, do some reading up on it and if you order the strips from Phion(cost about $7.00 for a box) read the pamphlet that comes with it. It gives a brief overview about it also.
Now if I can get allof this other stuff figured out, it would be great!
Hope this helps.
Courtney
Posted by seldomseen on January 15, 2009, at 13:09:32
In reply to Re: More info everyone should know!!!, posted by Cseagraves on January 15, 2009, at 12:45:37
normal pH of urine is from 4.0 to 8.5 and it can fluctuate wildly (hence the big range).
I wouldn't worry over it too much. In fact, an acidic urine can ward off all kinds of nasty UTI's that just thrive in a slight basic environment.
Seldom
Posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2009, at 20:29:45
In reply to Re: More info everyone should know!!!, posted by seldomseen on January 15, 2009, at 13:09:32
Now that I know is absolutely true. And never had a UTI in my life. Phillipa
Posted by sandy404 on January 16, 2009, at 6:07:55
In reply to Re: OMG!!! TRAZODONE - HELP » Cseagraves, posted by seldomseen on January 10, 2009, at 5:43:58
At one point, during my worst stressful time, I took 300mg of trazadone and went to work in the morning. I don't remember, but it is unlikely my psychiatrist perscribe that amt. all at once. Now I take 100-150mg for sleep. That doesn't always work.
Posted by desolationrower on January 26, 2009, at 22:09:51
In reply to Re: More info everyone should know!!! » seldomseen, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2009, at 20:29:45
the body tightly controls blood pH. However, to do so it uses the store of alkali metal in teh body, calcium in the bones. So the main problem from acidic diet is osteoperosis, and losing other ions which the body needs. Its mostly important to just get enough minerals, especially calicium, potassium, and magnesium. Some acids are bad, like phosphoric in colas. However others such as citric acid or ascorbic acid are metabolized and not problematic (other than teeth erosion if you hold them in your mouth.)
-d/r
Posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2009, at 19:38:08
In reply to pH levels, posted by desolationrower on January 26, 2009, at 22:09:51
Hi d/r take calcium and magnesium and extra mg . Also 2000 mg of time release C don't hold in mouth. And still have osteo? Any theories for that? Do know thyroid meds if too high not good. Love Phillipa
Posted by Cseagraves on January 27, 2009, at 20:49:23
In reply to Re: pH levels » desolationrower, posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2009, at 19:38:08
This is what my experience with ph levels have been. The reason I started the thread on ph levels is because I had read in several books on anxiety disorders (and I have alot of them)to always have your ph levels monitored. High amounts of stress on the body for a number of years can lead to a highly acidic ph, which can cause anxiety to be worse.
Low Ph levels can also set your body up for all kinds of illnesses. (auto-immune diseases and cancers)
Also, Dr. Robert Young (book he wrote is "Ph Miracle") says the same thing. You can google him for more info. He seems very credible. I saw a show on him not to long ago. One of his patients (I forgot her name), but she wrote a book called "Crazy, Sexy Cancer". She went to him when she came down with cancer of the liver. Her ph levels were very low and for cancer of the liver to go into remission is very rare.
While following his diet and lifestyle changes, her cancer went into remission.
In my case, my ph balance was when I first tested it was below 4.5, which is considered dangerously low for that long a period. When I asked my GP about it, he said generally ph levels should be between 6.75 to 7.25, but that 6.0 was O.K. because you want your body to be a little more acidic than alkaline.
I have always had problems with low hormone levels, which made my ph levels even lower. My body threw itself into adrenal fatigue. I was so acidic for so long that my body quit absorbing any minerals or vitamins. At 41, I have osteoporosis although I have always taken plenty of supplements, had a good diet and have always been very athletic, my body stopped absorbing. I was FLOORED. When I had bloodwork done I am deficient in calcium, vitamin D and K.
When my acidic levels were so low, when I would sweat, it was like acid hitting my skin and it would burn really bad and would look awful.
I think I saw a post on this thread that a 4.0 range is acceptable, but thats not what I have read. I can give you references, if you like.
I was already a vegetarian, but changed up my diet to be at least 80% raw. I also drink a mixture of sodium, potassium, magnesium and calcium bicarbonate powder in 6 ounces of water everyday. It's called PHour Salts on Dr. Young's web-site. But you can also drink a mixture of baking soda in water also.
I can honestly say that physically, after following this diet for about 6 months now, I feel a whole lot better. I can also tell now when my ph levels are low. My energy levels drop and my skin will start to burn and I just don't feel good overall.
Mentally, I feel a little more on edge when they are to low. I am also trying to hit this GAD and agoraphobia at every angle possible. So I figure that me trying to keep things balanced isn't going to hurt anything.
I see that a number of people here have some medical experience and have their own opinions. I have two years of med school and this is just my opinion and my own personal experience.
Hope this helps! :-)
Courtney
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