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Posted by manic666 on August 7, 2008, at 13:52:53
this is what i asked a hospital shrink , seeing that you bypast the question in the last post i will see your reactions now . all babble posters answer this with just a yes or no.a doc could no how ill you are with this one question.if lets say, you were in a depression you saw no way out of and someone tells you he will take you out of that depression an to paradice for 1 hour. but after the 1 hour you will be twice as bad as before would you take the hour.answer name/ an YES or NO . i will tell all later but remember this would determine your true health at that time.manic666
Posted by Phillipa on August 7, 2008, at 13:57:24
In reply to the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa, posted by manic666 on August 7, 2008, at 13:52:53
No Phillipa
Posted by ricker on August 7, 2008, at 14:24:25
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa » manic666, posted by Phillipa on August 7, 2008, at 13:57:24
No ---- Rick
Posted by B2chica on August 7, 2008, at 15:34:40
In reply to the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa, posted by manic666 on August 7, 2008, at 13:52:53
NO
b2c.
Posted by fleeting flutterby on August 7, 2008, at 17:57:51
In reply to the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa, posted by manic666 on August 7, 2008, at 13:52:53
Yes..... to get out for one hour would be such a relief...
flutterby-mandy
Posted by Justherself54 on August 7, 2008, at 18:20:31
In reply to the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa, posted by manic666 on August 7, 2008, at 13:52:53
NO
Posted by Tomatheus on August 7, 2008, at 18:43:08
In reply to the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa, posted by manic666 on August 7, 2008, at 13:52:53
No.
Tomatheus
Posted by Quintal on August 7, 2008, at 18:53:56
In reply to the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa, posted by manic666 on August 7, 2008, at 13:52:53
>if lets say, you were in a depression you saw no way out of and someone tells you he will take you out of that depression an to paradice for 1 hour. but after the 1 hour you will be twice as bad as before would you take the hour.
Does this mean feeling twice as bad forever, or just a temporary worsening of depression? If this is the case, then I'd say yes. I do that all the time with opiates. It's good to get just a few hours of relief even if I know I'm going to have to pay for it the next day.
Q
Posted by chiron on August 7, 2008, at 23:44:45
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phil » manic666, posted by Quintal on August 7, 2008, at 18:53:56
No. I'd go the opposite way- pain before pleasure. I'm too aware of consequences, which sucks sometimes.
Posted by Marty on August 8, 2008, at 18:07:01
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phil, posted by chiron on August 7, 2008, at 23:44:45
> No. I'd go the opposite way- pain before pleasure. I'm too aware of consequences, which sucks sometimes.
---
Amen to 'pain before pleasure'. I feel like you but I think being too aware of consequences sucks way less than not being aware and do stupid things./\/\arty
Posted by Marty on August 8, 2008, at 18:07:52
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phil » chiron, posted by Marty on August 8, 2008, at 18:07:01
No/\/\arty
Posted by manic666 on August 9, 2008, at 4:01:41
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa » manic666, posted by fleeting flutterby on August 7, 2008, at 17:57:51
ok bit one sided ,if you answered no the psychiatrist will asume your condition is not critical an treat you accordingly.but if your answer is yes, there is know twice as bad you have reached in hell as far as you can go. you would answer yes in seconds. the psychiatrist will know your at your edge an may admit you to hospital. you are at that stage your a danger to yourself from overdose or worse.how do i no, i was that man.
Posted by manic666 on August 9, 2008, at 13:07:25
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa, posted by manic666 on August 9, 2008, at 4:01:41
hey friends slow on my answer, has it made you think, or is it to close to the truth that it scares you,
Posted by fleeting flutterby on August 9, 2008, at 14:39:22
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa, posted by manic666 on August 9, 2008, at 4:01:41
> .but if your answer is yes, there is know twice as bad you have reached in hell as far as you can go.<<
--- this is how I've been feeling-- there is no "lower".... feel I'm at the bottom. my heart has been taken out and stomped on.(feel sick to my stomach, shakey most times, trouble sleeping... yuk...)---
>>the psychiatrist will know your at your edge<<
... yeah, I think they are sensing that with me.... feel if I have one more disappointment, I will implode-- literally.... even reaching out here takes more energy than I have most days.... just don't want to be pushed over the edge I'm teetering on.
argh. I'm that little runt that gets pushed away from mother's milk.... life is a constant competition in which I am that last runner coming up waaaaayyy in the back..... was youngest of 8-- how could I EVER win!!?!?? and plus I wasn't the "personality" that mother valued-- she hates sensitivity and insightfulness.... she has always pushed me away. Husband says one thing-- then does another..... argh! I'm .... I'm..... *rolls eyes*--- oh never mind, please don't bother with me..... I'm not anyone of any significance.....
>>how do i no, i was that man.<<
---- so, you made it back away from that edge..... wonder if you found inner strength or was it someone else that pulled you away......
flutterby-mandy
Posted by Marty on August 9, 2008, at 14:39:46
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa, posted by manic666 on August 9, 2008, at 13:07:25
> hey friends slow on my answer, has it made you think, or is it to close to the truth that it scares you,
---LOL. I think it may have to do, for some (a minority), with the fact that someone suffering chronicaly has sometime a hardtime listening to someone who diminish their level of suffering: "Your not suffering that much compare to some". I KNOW that it's not what you're doing and I've found your question very interesting and made me thought. In fact I'm glad you posted that as it help put things in perspective even if it's not easy to hear, me included.
I already felt that bad that I would have answered your question by a "YES YES YES, BRING IT ON ALREADY !!!"... and also had some pretty hard depressive episode where even if I was in great pain would have had the force to refuse the deal. It's all about your "feeling of urgency" related to your pain: when it's UNBEARABLE.. NOTHING is off the table... in fact, not even death.
It helps put things in perspective and it's a question I'll keep when I wonder if it's time to go to the ER the next time I'll feel very bad. The 'YES' to that question, I guess, tend to come a little before you're fully suicidle and it's better to go before that happens because after that you may not be sure that you actually want to be protected from yourself if you understand what I mean .....
/\/\arty
Posted by Quintal on August 9, 2008, at 16:46:46
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa, posted by manic666 on August 9, 2008, at 4:01:41
I thought that's what the answer would be. Psychiatrists here wouldn't admit someone to hospital on grounds like this though, it woud be a waste of money. They would only go that far if you made repeated suicidal threats and gestures, and even then you might actually have to make a suicide attempt to get a hospital bed. A pdoc once threatened to have me sectioned if I persisted in saying I was suicidal, but that's all it was - a threat, and the only effcet it had was to make me stop reporting my suicidal feelings, which might have been the intended effect.
Q
Posted by Marty on August 9, 2008, at 16:50:57
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phil, posted by Quintal on August 9, 2008, at 16:46:46
> They would only go that far if you made repeated suicidal threats and gestures, and even then you might actually have to make a suicide attempt to get a hospital bed. A pdoc once threatened to have me sectioned if I persisted in saying I was suicidal, but that's all it was - a threat, and the only effcet it had was to make me stop reporting my suicidal feelings, which might have been the intended effect.
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:| frigthning... where I live (somewhere in Canada) it's pretty different... "I feel bad and I wish I would be dead already" = "You can stay here for the night and our Pdocs will talks with you tomorow to see what course of action she should regarding your suffering. Here's cookie and milk.." and it's social medecine so = 0$ a week, two or three.. doesn't care
I wish it would be the same for you too.
BTW, Socialized medecine isn't really 0$ since we pay every cent in taxes etc... put at least when we need help/treatment there's not a second which is lost because of a lack of financial ressource.. it doesn't count./\/\arty
Posted by manic666 on August 10, 2008, at 4:45:13
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth » manic666, posted by fleeting flutterby on August 9, 2008, at 14:39:22
when i overdosed i had put a lot of trust in the hospital as a day visitor to see a doc but when the guy took my 10 a day larozapam in one go i crashed.head did not belong to me so i wanted out. took masive overdose sat on bed waiting took big slug of brandy an every tablet shot out as i reched.the wife ran in called ambulance, hospital or zoo as i call it.lay in shower 8 hours a day on stone floor an cold water no one came just left me there didnt sleep foor a week.bluffed way outcame home worse than went n my g.p went nuts gave me 4 loz straight away after a long time an back on the loz stable. i saw hell an it was in that hos pital.you see as i said before in england meds are free so anyone can abuse it so your in hospital with people who use it to keep out of jail they play the mental card.in u.s you pay insurance,these people wouldent so the would not get in you hospitals.so in u.k people dont get good tretment in hospital its a sh/t hole. an that atually brought me back.
Posted by manic666 on August 10, 2008, at 4:47:31
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phillipa » manic666, posted by Marty on August 9, 2008, at 14:39:46
marty my buddy you got it spot on
Posted by Quintal on August 10, 2008, at 7:02:48
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phil » Quintal, posted by Marty on August 9, 2008, at 16:50:57
I live in the UK where we do have socialized medicince in the form of the NHS. I also have experience of being hospitalized by force, but for manic psychosis, not depression. The hospital I went to was a modern building - only opened in 2004, and the rooms were like motel suites with bed, wardrobes, en suite shower and toilet etc. So the place itself was nice, but most of the people running it were not.
Q
Posted by manic666 on August 10, 2008, at 10:52:13
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phil, posted by Quintal on August 10, 2008, at 7:02:48
quintal. you were lucky with the hospital but same as me not the staff.they think if you overdose you are not worth the bother.an look at you an talk to you like scum.the hospital i was in was being modernised while we were in it so all the building workers stared at you. an under my ward they were useing drills an jack hammers if i would have been strong phyically an mentaly i would have knocked the sh*t out of them all. i managed to ask a night carer there was 1 one one the ward with an old nurse at night, if i could have a fan as i was on fire with detox he said i will look for you. he had three blowing on his desk . i swear if i see this guy out an about i will batter him he would not give me one of his three ba//ard,
Posted by manic666 on August 10, 2008, at 10:53:07
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth first phil, posted by Quintal on August 10, 2008, at 7:02:48
quintal. you were lucky with the hospital but same as me not the staff.they think if you overdose you are not worth the bother.an look at you an talk to you like scum.the hospital i was in was being modernised while we were in it so all the building workers stared at you. an under my ward they were useing drills an jack hammers if i would have been strong phyically an mentaly i would have knocked the sh*t out of them all. i managed to ask a night carer there was 1 one one the ward with an old nurse at night, if i could have a fan as i was on fire with detox he said i will look for you. he had three blowing on his desk . i swear if i see this guy out an about i will batter him he would not give me one of his three ba//ard,
Posted by manic666 on August 10, 2008, at 11:06:07
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth » manic666, posted by fleeting flutterby on August 9, 2008, at 14:39:22
mandy you have been there something happens to help, how did i spit the overdose out i didnt feel sick i sat there waiting, soon as i took a slug of brandy they all flew back out mabye it wasent my time who can tell.
Posted by manic666 on August 10, 2008, at 11:12:56
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth, posted by manic666 on August 10, 2008, at 11:06:07
THANKS FOR THE INPUT MY FRIENDS IS WAS INTERESTING AN MADE A FEW PEOPLE THINK. CAN I JUST SAY IN HOSPITAL I DIDNT HAVE A ROOM I HAD A BED IN A DORM WITH SIX 20, YEAR OLDS WHOES IDEA WAS GET UP AT 2PM GO TO SLEEP 2 AM I LAY ON THE POOL ROOM FLOOR, THANKS AGAIN MANIC666
Posted by fleeting flutterby on August 11, 2008, at 15:52:34
In reply to Re: the truth an nothing but the truth, posted by manic666 on August 10, 2008, at 11:06:07
> mandy you have been there something happens to help, how did i spit the overdose out i didnt feel sick i sat there waiting, soon as i took a slug of brandy they all flew back out mabye it wasent my time who can tell.<<
yeah, maybe it wasn't your time and maybe it's not mine yet either.... as I'm still here.
I'm thankful it wasn't your time as you wouldn't have posted this here and I and many others. like myself, wouldn't have had the chance to read it and perhaps even grow in some ways from it.
flutterby-mandy
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