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Posted by Jeroen on July 15, 2008, at 15:00:03
7 years of therapy and only 2 months NORMAL
i find that veryu disturbing because i wanted to get a real normal work and stuffmodern psychiatry is nothing more then burning a witch
theres just too much misery in the world to comply with normal treatments and normal standards
im from europe so i look up to the USA, and i beleived GEODON a new USA med would cure meand got TD from it
sigh, my hope is low on energy, sigh, very low ... almost running out
Posted by Phillipa on July 15, 2008, at 16:20:30
In reply to 7 years of therapy and only 2 months NORMAL, posted by Jeroen on July 15, 2008, at 15:00:03
Jeroen hang in there what's the doc prescribing now still the clozapine? love Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on July 16, 2008, at 4:53:14
In reply to Re: 7 years of therapy and only 2 months NORMAL » Jeroen, posted by Phillipa on July 15, 2008, at 16:20:30
hi philippa i asked for Sulpiride and the doctor dont want to prescribe it, ill just order this from the internet now
what an @SSHOLE
Posted by Racer on July 16, 2008, at 9:56:08
In reply to Re: 7 years of therapy and only 2 months NORMAL, posted by Jeroen on July 16, 2008, at 4:53:14
> hi philippa i asked for Sulpiride and the doctor dont want to prescribe it,
Jeroen, what's going on with the clozapine? Have you reached a therapeutic dose yet? What sorts of side effects are bothering you?I've read your posts for a long time here, and I know you're in a lot of distress. What worries me, though, as I've said before, is that if you give up on medications before reaching a therapeutic dose, you may miss out on a treatment which would satisfy your needs. Believe me -- I do know how hard it is to continue a drug trial when you're not noticing any benefits. On the other hand, sometimes we have to go through those periods in order to feel better. Although you've complained that nothing has worked for you so far, you have also stopped medication trials very rapidly, before one might expect to see beneficial results.
The standard used to describe treatment refractory disorders is failure of an adequate dose for an adequate duration. So far, the trials you've described don't seem to have reached either adequate dosage or adequate duration. Maybe if you could find a way to tolerate the start up phase, you'd find that the medications might work better than you have experienced to date? Perhaps your doctor could help support you in tolerating the start up phase?
Also, because some of these medications require blood level monitoring, and because drug interactions can be a significant issue, it might not be in your best interest to prescribe for yourself. I hope that you will at least discuss with your doctor his reasons for not prescribing sulpiride. It could be that he has some pretty compelling reasons, and that you'd do well to consider them.
I wish you the best.
Posted by Phillipa on July 16, 2008, at 20:00:37
In reply to Re: 7 years of therapy and only 2 months NORMAL, posted by Jeroen on July 16, 2008, at 4:53:14
Jeroen not a good idea at all. I feel your should discuss this fully with your pdoc. Phillipa
Posted by yxibow on July 20, 2008, at 0:29:19
In reply to 7 years of therapy and only 2 months NORMAL, posted by Jeroen on July 15, 2008, at 15:00:03
> 7 years of therapy and only 2 months NORMAL
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> i find that veryu disturbing because i wanted to get a real normal work and stuff
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> modern psychiatry is nothing more then burning a witch
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> theres just too much misery in the world to comply with normal treatments and normal standards
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> im from europe so i look up to the USA, and i beleived GEODON a new USA med would cure me
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> and got TD from it
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> sigh, my hope is low on energy, sigh, very low ... almost running outJeroen, I have been in therapy for 7 years and there is no such thing as "Normal". Nobody is perfect and nobody is all knowing. I still have an inexplicable visual somatiform disorder which affects a whole host of things but mostly visual and auditory amplifications (bright lights and some sounds can be irritable).
Your comment about psychiatry -- well it is sort of true, we are in the middle ages of understanding what is an incredibly complex sort of neurological, psychiatric, psychological, biochemical, and genetic components to a full picture.Be glad we are not back with insulin shots, head drills, and having only chlorpromazine (Thorazine) around.
I have ten years later a dystonic reaction to dumping a benzodiazepine cold because I didn't know the consequences and the doctor didn't put me back on it immediately --- but she was a ** and that's behind me.I also have probable tardive dystonia from a short term of Zyprexa usage.
I am angry at the world at times, my doctor, somewhere an outlet, but at the end of the day I can keep discussing this ad nauseum -- nobody is denying it, but to keep focusing on it makes it that more powerful looming than life and doesn't focus on the life that you do have and the potentials that you do.
I know its hard, and so do my doctors but they're trying to steer me in the direction so I can be the success that I want and deserve and is possible, within my limitations that I do have, and to make the ones that can be treated, treated, not just with medication, but also through psychotherapeutic work on project and goal oriented tasks to get me back to what I want to do for a living.
Rapidly changing antipsychotics is not going to "solve" or "make normal" anything. Nothing comes from a pill, and sometimes pills that for the largest majority of the population don't have an effect, unfortunately have effects that both you and I have had. I am very sensitive to certain medications and a fast metabolizer and not necessarily sensitive to others.Listen to what your doctors have to say and don't immediately make a rash decision (no bad pun intended -- who knows what the side effects of the sulprides are) on medication.
And look at it the other way -- how about 7 years of therapy and 2 months into a good streak? Is there any way of turning what I know is trauma into a slightly positive angle? It cant hurt?
-- best wishes-- Jay
Posted by yxibow on July 21, 2008, at 2:21:37
In reply to Re: 7 years of therapy and only 2 months NORMAL » Jeroen, posted by yxibow on July 20, 2008, at 0:29:19
> Rapidly changing antipsychotics is not going to "solve" or "make normal" anything. Nothing comes from a pill, and sometimes pills that for the largest majority of the population don't have an effect, unfortunately have effects that both you and I have had. I am very sensitive to certain medications and a fast metabolizer and not necessarily sensitive to others.Let me re-clarify that sentence, it didnt come out right. I didn't mean that drugs weren't helpful -- what I meant is that you can't pop a pill and expect total results without other supportive therapy and work.
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